Patch 8.12 notes

I would have been pumped for these changes last season, but as of right now, they seem super counterproductive. We are talking about a meta where damage supports are running bot lane, and now Riot has made adcs even less effective early and gutted shielding supports, making damage supports even more broken.

I really don't understand Riot's decision making. If a fed Caitlyn two-shots me at 25 minutes, that makes sense. If a Brand support one-shots me at 15 minutes, that makes no sense... but that's where we're at right now.

I still don't feel like the shield nerfs should have hit Ori. I understand the thought process behind it and overall checking your bases, but at the same time too when it comes to Orianna specifically, she's already been hurting since the Mage Update awhile back. I just don't feel like Orianna support is large enough of a thing for this nerf.

Is this patch a god dam joke? You made an entire class in the game unplayable(marksman) by nerfing all of their stats and items, and it's not even mentioned here. Did you clowns not watch the LCK last night? Ryze and Vladimir as ADCs every game are you kidding me? And then they nerf supports, shields and support items just in case you thought hyper carry ADCs were still alive. Let's not forget the best nerf this patch, the only playable ADC receiving an armor nerf because bruisers need to be able to one shot him through ice born gauntlet come on now. I've played since 2012, never minded any changes/nerfs to my ADC role, I've never commented on a patch notes but this is insane I actually can't play the champions or role I have been for years. Please Riot revert the ADC item nerfs, I don't understand how some of these things make it to live servers. I've played for the longest time, patch after patch, meta after meta and this is the worst state that the game has been in ever. This is more bad than Nidelee one shotting people with spears, this is more bad than when you over buffed Zed, this is more bad than when you overbuffed Kha Zix, this is more bad than when you buffed every tank in the game, this is more bad than runeglaive ezreal, this is more bad than ardent meta, this is more bad than jungler LVL 4 everybody else is LVL 2 meta, , this is more bad than dynamic que, this is even more shit than the releasing of zoe. I hope Riot does the right thing, otherwise I am quitting this game.

Banner of Command was meant to be a support item that allowed to counter AP mage mid laners that got autofilled into support and just went full AP right away, by giving your ADC and yourself MR via the aura/stats and allowing for pushing power with the active (combined with the old minion potion / command enchant for boots) but you have taken all that away from supports as you always do.

And nerfing Celerity MS is stupid, you are again just catering to primary damage dealing champions while ignoring those using it for the utility of MS aka SUPPORTS.

Yay! Now the only champs that were able to stop kill lanes bot were nerfed. Get ready to see a lot of brand and vel koz "support".

Where to start...

The new Rune system (which I kinda dig) was accompanied by Riot removing a lot of base armor/mr from most if not all champions, they also buffed all the base damages in the process. Tower damage and health/armor/mr was also nerfed somewhere along the way.

Since then damage has creeped significantly to the point that the champions that don't normally build armor/mr just get dumpstered, makes sense (seriously if you don't build tank you shouldn't be able to tank).

Enter tanks and Shield supports. To protect those squishy folks that still can't build tank into their path (most mid and marksmen), tanks and shielders became more relevant. The increase in damage they got from the Rune updates coupled with the busted tank runes and the lack of armor/mr unless building it, created the tank meta, tanks can now NOT DIE and 1 v 9! HUZZAH!

Thanks to tanks and shielders, crit marksmen were able to shine, as the original nerfs to armor pen prevented any other type of marksmen from being able to damage the tanks. During this time, the community complained that tanks were too strong (not strong as in tanky, strong as in, "why is someone with 4,000 health allowed to one shot people?". So after a couple of tank rune nerfs...

Enter the true damage and jungler influence. After earlier (prior to 8.9-8.10ish) changes made the jungle easier to clear, players realized that allowing the crit marksmen to get out of hand hurt their chances of winning the game with their tank top lane, so bot gets camped, actually I don't even know if the junglers ever saw the inside of the jungle after the first large monster kill. Bruisers are also realizing they can build straight tank and one shot people so...

Enter the bot lane centric meta. Marksmen complain about jungle and support influence (rightfully so imo) so in an effort to remove focus from bot, the jungle gets nerfed and support gold items (not dmg) get nerfed. Now jungle influence is even earlier in the game because at level 2 it's easier for them to gank bot as there's a good chance that bot lane may still be level 1 so that kill pressure and kill potential is more rewarding than actually farming their jungle, plus the vision scuttle is right there, so they'll grab that after they ruin your bot lane experience.

Enter shield supports. With bot lane being the center of attention, shielders and healers ruled the day. Never taking a bad trade because they can overheal all of their teams mistakes. Crit marksmen are still strong because they are the only ones that can damage the tanks I mean bruisers.

Enter marksmen and crit changes removal from the game. Marksmen base stats get nerfed. Marksmen items get nerfed. Marksmen are weaker, jungle influence bot has now increased exponentially. It now takes marksmen extra items and multiple attacks to do the same amount of damage as literally every other role in the game with their 1 item and 1 attack. Marksmen have always been dps (unless you are bronze where everyone asks why you are shooting the closest thing to you which always happens to be their front line because duh crit is the only thing that kills him), but being the only dps in a land of burst, means they don't get to live long enough to make use of their dps. But lord knows supports tried with their shields on shields on shields.

Now enter shield changes. I feel these should have come before the marksmen changes so Riot could see how much influence that actually had on the game, but, we're here now. With the shield changes expect damage from non marksmen sources to be at an all time high as less of it will be negated.

TLDR: So, on top of burst being stronger for non marksmen, marksmen being weaker than EVERYTHING in the game in general, and actual supports having their support power taken away we're in for a hell of a ride Mr. Toad~

So master yi is still super strong.... cool...

reading these patch notes makes me feel like im just smart enough to realize im being talked down to, but not smart enough to be able to make a proper response, so my reaction tends to be of the more visceral feelz, and i think that ends up playing out in the amount of toxic shit we are seeing every single patch recently.

As one of few Kindred players out there, I am hyped as fuck for this buff.

These changes are starting to become absolutely laughable. Dude, who took over Riot? Who's holding the gun to your heads to make so many CORE gameplay changes in rapid succession? Jesus Christ, you're writing your own obituary.

Are you guys trying to ruin the game?

it's shameful what you are doing to traditional supports. like trying to make janna "fun" and "interactive" like no, she is a heal/shield/peel champ, don't make her an aggressive ap champ. Some people like a more passive style of game play. it's ok to have simple champs like that. not everyone has to be super mechanical and complicated. Anyway your gonna have to buff their shields and items again since no one is playing them anymore. smh

The last of our lowercase-m-midseason patches brings two new fighter items!

Except they weren't even mentioned in the patch notes at all?

CONSISTENCY RIOT, CONSISTENCY.

What I read was "Screw you support" over and over again.

Gosh darnit I loved Banner though. I hope you bring it back someday rito.

You spent how many seasons trying to make people want to play support, to make the role feel good? and now your going out of your way to remove them from the game. ADCs and real supports are so weak the pros are going bruiser and mage bot. and now we've got the dual JG/Mid/Support shenanigans going on to almost completely say fuck the meta. Thank God the bruiser items were removed because theyre dominating as is and now youve nerfed all the shields and heals to keep anyone alive. Brilliant design choice to add scaling defense the more damage you build and vice versa, cuz thats never been toxic at all. If you build Damage it SHOULD come at the cost of survive-ability. If you build defense it SHOULD let you live longer but do less damage. Who the fuck thought itd be a good idea to introduce items that let you do both, to shit on everyone AND never die. Riot has lost their minds.

Great nerf to shields but why nerf Ardent again?

Almost 3 years waiting for a skin. Thank you Riot!

Shield counter-play is ruining league of assassins for us, lets just see if we can gradually remove supports as a whole.

The nails have entered the coffin

Literally the only juggernaut that benefits from the Sterak's change is Darius, that's it. But at the sacrifice of Yorick and too a smaller extent Aatrox/Illoai, who are already weaker then Darius... wtf