Ability Update: Shyvana

So does her passive apply to Aurelion Sol?

I fail to see where the "better" is.

Basically we traded are forced to trade 800~ effective hp for a 10% bonus damage to dragons (3 cloud dragons spawn inc.) and more hp which are absolutely not needed (1% of 350 is 3.5, and the fact alone that riot tried to sell it as a "buff" for the "juggernaut" items is proof of how much stupid they think we are, and sadly there is a whole Q ladder to back that up) and nobody asked for. I can already see when i'll have room to go and take a turret or two but HOLD THE FUCK UP GUYS I SAW A DRAGON, sorry guys, i'll go take that dragon so i can restore the stats i originally had so i don't get oneshotted if i actually try to fight 1v1 or in teamfights meanwhile you roll joints around, get caught and apply 0 map pressure and you're not putting me on your backs because riot decided to poof some of my stats.

350 hp might seem a lot no they don't even look as "a lot" because if they're not backed up by resistances they vanish in a couple of autos, and having a cheesy heal i can occasionally use is completely worthless against opponents that know what they're doing, we are speaking about shyvana, not renekton.

So you're screwing up more damage oriented builds for more tanky builds (which are eventually nerfed by these changes) for reason hard to understand beyond "we noticed kids were popped so we decided for our better interest to make these changes" We are talking of a difference of 800 hp vs 350 hp, sure it might work better with CoC but this ruins greatly the 1v1 potential, and shyvana being a splitpusher mostly NEEDS it. Also the mastery you already said clearly it's too strong and it's going to be nerfed, what's that? are you going to buff shyvana further after the mastery nerfs? (read, if we feel funny enough we are going to deliver another stealth nerf, because she hadn't had enough so far since devourer made enemy bronze junglers ragequit and throw their keyboards on the ground). Not counting that going the defensive tree (which was a choice before, now it's mandatory, but hey, we talk a lot of "choice and stuff" just to throw some noise in the ears of the listener), shyvana is going to miss a lot of the damage she got from the thunderlords tree, and considering the HP from ult are situational, is nothing even close to what SOTA gave.

With the trail removal you can't pop most of the "out of combat" effcts, or create those paths that made it dangerous for someone at risk such as a low hp target or a support to walk across, the E is maybe funnier to shoot if you can detonate it mid air or launch it olaf style, but it has an extremely less AOE, so it means i won't be able to mark more targets at once and switch between them during a fight if i get kited unless the circle is at least big as much as the old E aoe, while the W size increase is unnoticeable unless it's massively increased, but in that case it would feel both weird and overpowered, not something i need. Also the human form is straight up nerfed for no fucking reason, now i can hit multiple targets only if i'm ulting, so it means i can't hold it for gap closing or escaping and everybody can just stand in front of my target and laugh at me as my E goes wasted, and this is a pretty big fucking nerf.

I explicitly asked you to leave shyvana alone once and for all, you say you're gonna look on her, i expect buffs, i receive nerfs. Masked as buffs. And then there are some sycophants that even praised those changes or people asking me and wondering why i'm so pissed at riot all the times. Good job riot, keep up the good work.

-edit- http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/2TvutxOg-ability-update-shyvana?comment=0054

What about Drakeless maps? (HA, TT, CS)

Not liking this nerf "Dragon’s Descent does less damage and travels less distance. Overall, we don’t expect these changes will shake up how Dragon’s Descent is used, but we’re pretty sure it’s cooler now."

Shyvana one trick here, I like the changes overall. At least Riot is willing to admit she was neglected for a long time. Thanks for the changes!

It's unfortunate when a champion possesses a passive which only functions within Summoner's Rift. Playing a game of ARAM really shouldn't give a massively-flawed image of a champion's capabilities; herein lies Ivern and Shyvana.

sounds mostly cool, but a little sad how you basically gave her a weaker ball of stats passive and gave up on an interesting passive.

So basically nerfs all over the place. Cripple her extra resistances.. shorter ult range. Passive that is entirely reliant on having a decent team to actually make it not garbage. Thanks riot. Big fan.

Riot needs to leave champs the f alone. There was nothing wrong with shyv

I knew It, I knew when you wanted to rework her It had to do with her passive.

Shyavana a champ with no self heals or proper snare/stuns. And you want to remove her armor and make her work harder for It.

So,with that knowledge,When you gonna nerf volibear and Warwick's heals?Hmm? Or Yi's get out of jail free card? Hay,you where all up on It for kindred and you seem to be on a role targeting champs who are not 100% broken with have reasonable skill sets,so why have you not targeted the really broken ones?

So, finally the Dragonborn can absorb dragon souls!

I think it should give 10 armor and mr per dragon though, 5 armor and mr is not a very good incentive to leave top lane. It really barely makes a difference.

Nice nerfs Riot. Shyvana is officially dead in the water with these garbage changes.

Dragon Slayer Pantheon removes -5 armor and MR if he kills Shyvana.

I like the E and Uninterruptible Ult, but ultimately I feel she will be weaker now and not worth picking up with the passive change and ult range reduction. I guess we will see anyway.

terrible passive change. tying to dragon is feast or famine design. ESPECIALLY for a top laner. e update might be cool. dislike w changes, bigger is boring. flaming earth felt much more thematically tight and the mini singed effect was fun. people want to run away from you, no?

" Ignoring weaknesses doesn’t help when you’re too behind to flex your strengths!"

Rito: Here's a passive that does nothing for you if your team can't capture dragons.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

You could at least make it where the damage to dragons gets stronger for each one you miss....resetting when you kill one.

So we take away passive armor/Mr and make it something that relies on teammates, to even come close to it... I see Shyvanna being even more unplayable than she currently is.

They say, IN THE FIRST 2 SENTENCES of the first paragraph, "Shyvana’s closest to the Juggernauts: a durable and devastating group of champions who lack reliable ways to get to their target." Yet they call this "mini-buff" a fix to her gameplay. Seriously? Shyv is similar to Evelyn in the whole "feast or famine" aspect. Unless she can get ahead, or a the very least keep up, in terms of gold; she's completely useless. She has NO CC, NO sustain and just her passive to actually aid her in laning and/or general survival.

You call making her weaker, nerfing the only real gap-closer she had and making her W bigger as she lvls an improvement? In all honesty, her E and W changes are pretty okay (save for the removal of scorched earth, the only thing that actually made her useful in a teamfight.) Her ult's damage is fine being nerf given that isn't the utility people looked at when using her. She's a dragon. People loved the ability to take flight and land on someone's face, even if you had no hopes of killing them because you only have 2 hp items.

This isn't love. This is cruelty.

As a player who has fond memories of digging out of low elo with this fantastic Draconian Lady of might, some of these these "changes" come as bit of a mishap for myself. Shyvana's greatest assets is minion/ wave clear and DPS, somewhat making up for her lack to negate CC or prevent being kited. In my opinion, she depends on sustainability and getting ahead in terms of gold in order to gain an advantage in a game. For Riot to remove those resistances that counteracted her weaknesses for something more trivial like the dragon killing buffs, it makes sense in a lore sort of way but it does not make up for the strengths that the champion Shyvana stood for. However, I suppose we will have to wait until the changes go live to see what happens. I really hope that Riot will up the percentage value and AD/AP ratios on some of her abilities in order to solidify her strengths as a DPS/tank hybrid.

But in the end, Dragons are still cool and I hope that Shyvana can come out on top of these changes.