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inb4 non-discussion

MegaHuff·4/13/2018, 2:00:50 PM·2 votes·2,052 views

I just got off a League-related chat with Chermorg and Co., trying to have a conversation about this clash/honor requirement. Needless to say, nothing fruitful came of that.

I was trying to explain how I think that the honor 2 requirement is pretty harsh, as honor system isn't actually indicative of how toxic somebody actually is. I started going in depth, and gave an example of, essentially, people that just kind of sit in a lane AFK, or just die really horribly for no reason, and refuse to listen to their team at all. I instead got told that what I was saying was that anybody who doesn't agree with my playstyle is a troll, and should be reported.

I understand that you might get the impression that I just hate split pushers right off the bat from that statement, but even after attempting to explain further, I was hit with several different messages telling me how " 'people like me' underestimate the amount of toxicity in the community." Upon further attempts to explain myself, the mod typing to me continually told me that I did in fact mean to convey that exact message. When I finally blocked him/her, and peeked at one of the messages later, I saw things about "I can't help him if he's unwilling to learn," or something along those lines. I can't exactly copy-paste because I was abruptly shut out of the server because I continued to question why I couldn't just get an actual conversation.

This post is mainly to start a discussion about my original notions that using an ineffective system like it as a requirement for something like Clash isn't exactly fair. I also included that bit above to showcase that I'm here to actually toss ideas back and forth, not to have a pissing match similar to what they attempted to suck me into in that server.

My main idea about that whole honor requirement is that honor isn't really indicative of how toxic somebody actually is. I'd love to actually have a conversation with somebody that doesn't involve what's essentially spam.

Edit: This is already downvoted enough for no reason, so might as well say: It's so predictable and appropriate that it flopped. And, inb4 correct. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

61 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer4/13/2018, 2:20:04 PM11 votes

See, honor 2 would be a "requirement"... if they didn't start every new player (and player with an honorable status last season) at level 2. The only ones that have to "grind" to get it are the ones that already showed that they violated the rules in some respect.

ModThe Djinn4/13/2018, 3:01:09 PM8 votes

My main idea about that whole honor requirement is that honor isn't really indicative of how toxic somebody actually is.

This is sort of correct.

Honor is indicative of two things -- how often you are honored (and not all honor is really for properly honorable play), and how often you are toxic enough to earn a punishment.

Those system are only linked in that receiving a punishment removes your honor. I do agree that the honor system really isn't the greatest for identifying truly honorable players (as it's often given to the player who performed best in a game), but I do think honor restrictions to things like Clash serve their purpose well for punishing toxic behavior without taking away core game content.

It's also a bit better than arbitrarily picking a time duration, such as "you must not have had a punishment within the past X weeks,' as it's a lot clearer, since that information is presented directly in the client. It also shows that you've been putting some active effort into improving, as toxic behavior slows your rate of honor gain, so to have gotten back to 2 honor after a punishment lets them know that you're doing well, and not just skirting by just over the line.

Is it a perfect system? No, but I don't think that stops it from being a fairly good one overall, and it definitely accomplishes what they wish to accomplish in this instance.

ModKnightsKemplar4/13/2018, 2:27:16 PM6 votes

I'm actually not sure I'm clear on what you're trying to say.

If you want to say that Honor is a bad system, I want some data to back that up. I actually think it's a pretty difficult conversation to have in a productive manner, solely because people tend to have feelings about a system like that one way or the other, and no one has the hard data necessary to back up claims about it.

I love the honor system, and I think it's really neat that they are implementing it in clash, because I think it does an excellent job of catching unsportsmanlike players. I have yet to see a convincing example of someone getting falsely flagged by that system.

zPOOPz4/13/2018, 2:47:41 PM2 votes

Clash is still in Beta phase. NOT A RELEASED PRODUCT. If the developers wish to put a restriction on which part of the player base they want to run their test cases with, then that's what Beta means. When Clash becomes an officially released product and it is still exclusive like this, then you'd have something to whine about. Not any difference from PBE being available to only a small portion of people and Rito do not want the entire player base testing PBE.