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So, according to the people on the forums, every ban is deserved.

Grimmaydie·12/21/2017, 8:25:08 AM·8 votes·3,474 views

Hello guys. So, I've been scrolling through the threads about bans and I wanted to see how and why people whine about their bans. Some of them are right, some of them are wrong, but according to the people who commented back, all of them are wrong and all of them deserved their bans. They have to deserve their bans, that's why they got banned, right? I mean, the system cannot be wrong, even if it's governed by humans and it doesn't matter if humans make mistakes and every human is subjective. It doesn't matter, they deserve it. All of them deserve it, right?

Now, I never got banned, but come on, all of them are wrong? Really? I mean, I feel like when someone sees people complaining about a ban, before even reading the thread, they immediately think that they deserve it from the title and their judgment towards them shapes by the effect of their prejudices. And they look for words and sentences to prove that they did deserve the ban. Yeah, and in my opinion, people with prejudices are as bad as toxic people. And if you're one of the people who think that you're "nice", and have prejudices too... I'm afraid to say that you're bad. Evil. You're just one of the evil people who think that they're good and have a twisted morality and who thinks that they're always right, no matter in what situation.

Don't be prejudiced. It clouds your judgment towards the people who are right.

30 Comments

ImpossibleGT12/21/2017, 9:51:44 AM6 votes

Because I've seen this song and dance too many times before. Player posts QQ thread about an "undeserved banned" and says things like "admittedly I was a little angry but didn't deserve a perma" and "look at this log, I barely say anything!". Rito employee posts extensive chat logs of Player being toxic as all hell. Player looks like an idiot and we all continue on our merry way.

I'm sure, somewhere, there has been someone undeservedly banned. That person was not on these boards, and the first thing they did was not make a QQ thread about it.

Asamas12/21/2017, 8:32:59 AM5 votes

Most are guilty. One guy thought that saying "KYS" is fine. He posted his chat and asked if he really deserved the ban. I read through the first 5 sentences, saw "KYS" and automatically commented that only by saying this he got himslef banned. The problem is that most people don't find anything wrong with this things. Yes some are innocent and RIOT once made a big mistake by banning a ton of good people but that was when Riot were banning for hacks and they undid the mistake. But when it comes to ban for toxicity yes every ban is well deserved.

The Sugarlicious12/21/2017, 11:49:34 AM2 votes

I for once think that hardly anybody deserves a ban here, simply because you are on the internet by your own choice. We all see so many terrible things every day, and a person telling you to "kys" offended you? Honestly, if you are so fragile that anybody telling you anything can hurt your feelings, you need to see a psychologist and stop playing online games. This isn't my first game and most games had a ban policy against homophobia, sexism, and racism, but none against personal or even religious insults. Snapping and cursing is a part of human nature, if anything, it's a venting tool for the frustration caused by the bad players. I could even go as far as to say that we are encouraging players to stay bad when they know they can ban anybody who gets mad at their lack of skills and reason.

I'm actually surprised this community is considered so salty when there are so many banned people every day, one would expect there would be none left. But it's like we're trying to create a utopia for all the special snowflakes that can't handle bad words and report at the first sight of "you are pathetic" and "you sad sad child" - as the guy who got a 14-day ban said. Unfortunately, they are the majority here, so there's not much grown ups can do.

redniwediS12/21/2017, 8:40:17 AM2 votes

I'll admit I think almost all of the people coming on here to talk about their ban deserved the ban, but I do try to hold off judgement until I see two things. First I try to look over the chat logs, and then I try to see if they are complaining about an unjust jump to a more severe punishment tier.

I've seen two people in my time on the boards who were banned incorrectly, a handful who thought they were banned when really Riot put a security lockdown on their account, and one who agreed he should be punished but because of his punishment history and chat log content didn't think he deserved a 14 day ban. I'd try to put a number on how many people I've seen who came on here with a sob story and an edited chat log only to be smited down by someone from Riot with the real chat log, but I'd probably guess too low.

There is a big culture here where smiting the banned is considered acceptable, and so there are an absolute shit ton of useless (and borderline harassment) replies on these threads, but there are a few names that continually show up and try to give constructive feedback and help the thread makers out. There is still hope for the Player Behavior section, however small it may be.

Has No Team12/21/2017, 10:21:21 AM2 votes

Honestly I would say a good 80%+ are deserved. People know what is and it not socially acceptable. It doesn't change just because they had a bad game or they're blaming another person for their tilt.

Gustavo Gustave12/21/2017, 5:52:23 PM2 votes

I just got ban 14 days for that lol
Tifanoe: maokai 1vs1 1000ap Veigies one shot/This is unreal/My GF dumb me Tifanoe: pokimane1 what %%%g Tifanoe: pokimane fucking anoying egirl get out Tifanoe: varus 1/15 you can't talk %%%got Tifanoe: report kassadin %%%got

And this 1/15 varus is not going to be ban good job riot, I'm taking a break of league I already lost too much time

Zezockary12/21/2017, 8:36:06 AM1 votes

Can you provide examples of logs that you think should not have been punished but were?

It would definately help with your point if you had examples to back you up.

NitoAl6/5/2018, 10:46:54 AM1 votes

Riot plz what are y doing with this bans. Y already banned my main acc and thats ok because maybe i was a little tilted because i lost like 31231 from feeders afkrs and trollers (witch still are very very much present) where i spendet more thatn 300 euros and god know how many time but now you started to ban my 2 acc too i mean plz reconsider this game is loosing shine. if is that problem in chat game why the hell you put it they insult and troll and we must say thank you? look the reason for ban and you tell me if that make sense, they trolled so hard and all i said was : Game 1 Pre-Game NitoAl: go top In-Game NitoAl: thy have thresh we have trash NitoAl: ... NitoAl: offc NitoAl: this kind of jungler NitoAl: xD NitoAl: just ff at 15 NitoAl: i deff your red? NitoAl: ... NitoAl: go blue NitoAl: yi toojk red NitoAl: retard fk NitoAl: ok i deff it NitoAl: fk you NitoAl: gj idiot NitoAl: i had 100 hp NitoAl: this jungler NitoAl: xD NitoAl: yi bot NitoAl: report pyke NitoAl: ez NitoAl: for trolling what you think ? NitoAl: lost bot with noc and thresh xD NitoAl: such a fkng low bot :(( NitoAl: pyke your muted and reported NitoAl: kindred why not use ult NitoAl: cmon guys NitoAl: fkng fokus a little NitoAl: ... NitoAl: pssy ... NitoAl: wtf y want man NitoAl: than go 1 NitoAl: gj noobs NitoAl: y fkng noob NitoAl: i cant see my cursor? NitoAl: wtf? NitoAl: wtf happened NitoAl: stfu kindred NitoAl: you low and toxic too? NitoAl: how the fk he is so fkng fast NitoAl: look this idiot NitoAl: omg he is so sad :( NitoAl: lucky af NitoAl: report our pyke for making use puke ... NitoAl: nice baron NitoAl: cho why go 1 vs 5 bro NitoAl: only we 2 can carry this NitoAl: miss do static you retard NitoAl: i deff NitoAl: y go NitoAl: ...

P.S ( you dont want to see what they wrote to make me answer like this) i think this game is becoming from awesome to pathetic with this kind of rules y cant even joke with your premade friends because if some other report y get ban ) I think that i like many of my friends will soon abandon this game because it is not how y play but what y write in chat and this is not gaming GL to others and riot tha milions of euro wich you took for skins than banned or acc it is not legal like that if i pay for smthng is mine so you must refound in the credit card what you took from us in years.

Falkentyne12/21/2017, 10:29:40 AM1 votes

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Hello guys. So, I've been scrolling through the threads about bans and I wanted to see how and why people whine about their bans. Some of them are right, some of them are wrong, but according to the people who commented back, all of them are wrong and all of them deserved their bans. They have to deserve their bans, that's why they got banned, right? I mean, the system cannot be wrong, even if it's governed by humans and it doesn't matter if humans make mistakes and every human is subjective. It doesn't matter, they deserve it. All of them deserve it, right?

Now, I never got banned, but come on, all of them are wrong? Really? I mean, I feel like when someone sees people complaining about a ban, before even reading the thread, they immediately think that they deserve it from the title and their judgment towards them shapes by the effect of their prejudices. And they look for words and sentences to prove that they did deserve the ban. Yeah, and in my opinion, people with prejudices are as bad as toxic people. And if you're one of the people who think that you're "nice", and have prejudices too... I'm afraid to say that you're bad. Evil. You're just one of the evil people who think that they're good and have a twisted morality and who thinks that they're always right, no matter in what situation.

Don't be prejudiced. It clouds your judgment towards the people who are right.

This is how the human race is now, man. VERY few people are actually nice these days. Most of the 'nice' people you see around here are actually toxic themselves and white knights. They follow the rules and act like they're better than everyone else in a completely broken system that has no basis on anything in real life. In real life, context is always judged. That's why Venus Williams was found NOT GUILTY of manslaughter even though she hit someone in a car. Because it wasn't her fault. League doesn't care whose fault it is, only that "you did something wrong." The league equivalent of this is knowing that the stoplight was broken in advance or being smart enough to see that there was a problem with the stoplight, and knowing not to go through it (translation: being a near perfect person).

You can see the toxicity of the "nice" people by their cookie cutter responses, expecting everyone else to act like Paladins or something here.

Yes, that is excessive hyperbole but you get the point.

There ARE nice people in this world but 1) very few of them play ranked, unless they are low elo and extremely casual, 2) they are near perfect people mentally with VERY thick skin and extremely extraordinary compassion and virtue. 3) those people don't exist--the ones that do either go pro, or aren't good enough at this game because they don't have the mentality to climb. Because having that mentality basically FORCES you to be toxic. It's part of competition in general.

Now being completely abusive on the other hand...there's a difference between being toxic and being abusive.
You tell someone to kill themselves, you call them the F word or an N word or talk about their mom, you're abusive. Someone says you bought your account off ebay and they insult your play and you get into an argument without cussing or calling them F bombs, you're "Toxic."

All humans are toxic. Even the do-goody church goers are toxic.

How do I know? Because I've lived on this planet long enough to learn things about people. Unfortunately.

Sarutobi12/21/2017, 11:30:30 AM1 votes

No one ever said the system is perfect. It can make mistakes and its up to us to see it, so that the person who did ask could try their luck with Support. But to claim that everyone who comes here about their ban is deserved is wrong. Its just its too obvious when in the cases of Toxic behavior. If they do not show their chat logs 9 times out of 10 its because they have something to hide. Or when they do show it and the first thing you see is a Slur, its should be common sense not to use such language. So why wouldn't the ban be deserved?

In the cases of boosting/use of 3rd party programs that might be tricky because there is only so much information we can go by. Riot has much more information they can use, which they obviously cannot show or else it would compromise the detection and we would see much more hackers in this game! That can say the no one can come here can claim 100% that said person is guilty. But we can only go by certain information we can get, and to a point people can come to a conclusion. But the only sure-fire what to know is to have a Rioter (Support) look into the matter.

All in all I'd say most people who come here deserve it, as long as there is evidence to back it up.

Mindspeaker12/21/2017, 11:38:32 AM1 votes

op Nothings perfect but I personally have not seen a ban some one posted that was not justified in over three years here....

also....

WookieeCookie (NA) submitted 8 months ago in Player Behavior Player Support Lead - Player Behavior

We stand by these audits; upon review 99% of players audited were correctly disciplined. Intentional Feeders, Bots, cheaters, and rage quitters are all common offenses found through our audits

kittenCorn12/21/2017, 8:34:56 AM1 votes

My thread isn't even related to me receiving any sort of punishment but it was immediately down voted.

I completely agree with you. Considering my situation I've also been reading through this board. Some of the bans seem justified. Some do not. But the majority of people responding apparently make their decision before even taking the time to read.

It definitely makes me appreciate the few who seem to be taking the time to explain/answer/point out things I may have missed or not known. Basically any sort of clarification.

But I can bet you these people condemning everyone would be the first to post here if they got banned. Lol.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Elycian12/21/2017, 12:03:43 PM1 votes

Some people can be more or less sensitive over things. One person can take the "KYS" literally and someone else can read it and don't really mind it. But the thing is that personal opinion doesn't matter here, RULES are what matters. IF a "KYS" is a reason to get a permaban by the rules, then its 100% a permaban, thats it.

Starcraft243ver12/21/2017, 12:55:09 PM1 votes

That's straight up false, some people are unfairly banned, they get their ban lifted and are supported by the community. Most of the people complaining here deserve their ban and, worse, are often liars not posting the complete chat logs.

sky215/13/2019, 6:06:49 PM1 votes

Hi RIOT I want ti know if i could deal with you i got perma ban from your game on my main account where i did actualy did spend money... I was hyped because i was finaly ranking up. I'm 16 years old and has you can see my english is not that good, because is not my main language i wanted to know what actualy "Kys" means cause a friend of mine said he allways send this when the game end because is means "keep to your self" like get your atitute together what least is what i was thinking. Sense i got perma ban i did go search the meaning of that word or what it means. I never thought was something soo bad has saying to make a person do something suicidal... I'm verry sorry for all the times i send that... I gona copy the log. Game 1 In-Game sky21: stop sky21: no more sky21: in sky21: impossible sky21: your runes too sky21: baron sky21: too late sky21: omg sky21: this team is something sky21: OMG sky21: KYS sky21: kys

So has u can see i never thought something that bad... I understand if i need to be punished i just want to see if you could understand this

disagreement... Could you at least change to perma ban on chat or something plz i realy want to go back to my main account... Realy dont plan to keep playing on my other account cause its not the same i wish to know that word more early I sorry RIOT... Hope You read this at least.item 2421 item 3070

Falcão3/24/2018, 7:38:46 PM1 votes

I got banned just for this.

I guess riot is just a dictatorship where we can't say nothing against it even though it's true. Game 1 Falcão: ww pls Falcão: trell me ur not one ofthose retards Falcão: ww ur 10 years old aren't u? Falcão: knew it Falcão: the brain Falcão: isnt' 20% developed yet Falcão: it isn't enghout to have a %%%got soraka u have to have all the luck in the world all game? Falcão: fkn aids watching ur hp bars Falcão: my ww is 12 years old and gave free kills stfy Falcão: everybody knows soraka and nami don't get nerfed cause it's the only way Falcão: of getting girls and %%%gots to play this game Falcão: luck can't win vs skill forever, let's just hope it's not too late Falcão: lol

EL HAMSTERO3/24/2018, 8:56:46 PM1 votes

the people who come to the player behavior boards are not normal people. many of them are here because they delight in seeing other people suffering and getting punished. they love telling them they deserve it and rubbing it in. it makes them feel superior.

Mordius3/24/2018, 9:35:03 PM1 votes

If every ban wasn't deserved I would question Riot's banning system, because clearly there would be something wrong with it. If every ban is deserved, then obviously, it is doing it's job, as intended.

So I'm not sure what there is to dispute. The system works. 99.95% of bans are justified.

MadViking3/24/2018, 10:06:11 PM1 votes

Well naturally because we are human and no system of deterrence is perfect or flawless -- I imagine people have been banned incorrectly. Sure we may have only seen a few cases that were banned incorrectly because it was brought up on this forum, but how many were banned wrongly and didn't bring it to the communities attention ? I'd say a few. Not everyone that plays comes to forums.

With that being said I hold an unfavored view of Riots summoner code and behavior policy. The reason why is because it does not work (Lol is easily the most toxic gaming community by far.)and I think it encourages to deliberately act they way thy do seeking punishments because it ruins everyone else's day around them.

The problem is that Riots system is not an effective deterrence and the incentives to remain honorable honestly SUCK. The rewards suck.

35G98LK4/15/2018, 9:13:16 PM1 votes

This is an old thread, but I post to it. I believe many of the posts who agree with people getting banned or restricted are not real. Nope not at all. They automatically say, oh yeah you deserved the ban and not very nicely BS I call. I have been been banned but I just got a chat restriction for 10 games. 3 players started talking stupid and I could out talk them but no cursing, threatening or name calling and I get a 10 game ban for this?

Game 1 35G98LK: we don't have jungler, go bot 35G98LK: is Ryze spell caster? 35G98LK: tks 35G98LK: alos mia 35G98LK: ryze why you hiding ion bush? 35G98LK: ahh he moved 35G98LK: good 35G98LK: ryze mia with their jungler wwatch out 35G98LK: ryze ganking bot again maybe or at dragon with jungler 35G98LK: my bad 35G98LK: I have been pinging over and over I missed one I said my bad, what more you want 35G98LK: man this is why people get chat bans, just leave me alone, I said MY B AD 35G98LK: took my attention off game 35G98LK: too my attention of game 35G98LK: we don't have jungler dont blame me for them travell all over, I am bot right now, do yuou see ryeze????????? 35G98LK: they gank me, force me back and I cannot see when he leaves, talke that in account 35G98LK: we DO NOT HAVE A JUNGLER 35G98LK: they do 35G98LK: he is gone again 35G98LK: yorick come mid 35G98LK: YORICK COME MID, MIX THEM UJP 35G98LK: you stood and watched me die...ok 35G98LK: you stood and watched me die, did not try to do any attack 35G98LK: so I mute for rest of game 35G98LK: second mute 35G98LK: smurfs up! 35G98LK: I was dead and lane phyase been over 35G98LK: dude is a smurf 35G98LK: you can tell by the plays he is doing 35G98LK: when upper level players get banned, they just start new account 35G98LK: and work there way up again 35G98LK: should have surrender 35G98LK: 20/1 at beginner lvl, he is a natural born right??? 35G98LK: just commited suicide 35G98LK: you are 4/8 35G98LK: nobody is raging, we are talking 35G98LK: THIS IS RAGINGING,!!!! and we are not doing that 35G98LK: and if you want to believe one player has 23 kills and only 2 deaths one of which is a sucide go ahead 35G98LK: and by the way, I am the only person on this board who has killed him 35G98LK: stop raging Caitlyn 35G98LK: XXD 35G98LK: sure you cannot outalk me, report me, no problem 35G98LK: of course riot reads the logs and will see you soclicted the report 35G98LK: and I am reporting all of you for the threat, 35G98LK: xxd 35G98LK: got 1 35G98LK: Gnar is solicting false reports, I will file support ticket on DadandBelt 35G98LK: have not flamed anyone but have been flamed

The player was posting over and over in regular chat and all chat to please report me. Read the log. I was calling out a smurf player, which they were playing at a low level game. Read the log and tell me this needs a chat ban. Really? The same ban people get for nonstop flaming, threatening etc. This is an auto system and it has some serious flaws. Nobody is reading any logs at riot that is obvious, the bans are instantaneous.

EL HAMSTERO12/21/2017, 8:46:36 AM1 votes

please dont take the people who post/vote on the player behavior board too seriously. they are definitely not a normal sampling of LoL players.

the majority of people come to this section of the boards because they feed off suffering and misery. they come here because they love hearing about bans and how distressed the players are after losing their account.

it is no surprise most in this section believe every ban is justified and even seek bans for lesser offenses. the more the suffering of others to grows and spreads the happier they will be.

nerak2312/21/2017, 9:36:59 AM1 votes

Their are people who read and post in this section to help. Sometimes players get great advice and take it, some players just want to stir the pot!

The second type can be both those who pretend to give advice but are noxious and some who purposely mislead others. Some are players that have broke the rules but will never admit it.

I see many level headed people spending a lot of time helping others. Copy paste posters are fine, but their are others to try to reach players in need of answers and guidance.

So OP while you are right about some things, not everyone who helps are Evil. Plenty of them should be thanked few are.