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What made me quit League

Wind of Clarity··3 votes·743 views

Playing ranked, champion select, nothing unusual. Showing I'm gonna play Teemo top (I have like 100k mastery on Teemo) and my adc locked in Teemo. After asking "wtf?", he replied with: "I got bugged, wanted to play Garen.". Yes, he wanted to play Garen as adc, and somehow, even though Teemo is like 5 rows under Garen(even if you don't own all the champs), he somehow locked in Teemo. What bothers me the most here is the fact that he won't get punished, not punished, he even won't get warned for the thing he did. Riot is tolerating this kind of behavior and I, most honestly, can't tolerate it. So, I decided quiting League is my only choice here, at least until Riot decides to make some kind of a system, where people in your team won't ban/lock in a champion you wanted to play. Not only that, each time I want to select Teemo, my teammates start with: "Teemo top, gg.", "gg, no tank top, surr 15", "Teemo top, lol, we lost." etc. I have to say I want to play the champ I enjoy playing with, I'm not the meta slave, but it seems this community got so toxic and abusive, that you can't play even when you play "meta" champions. If Riot wants to get the hold of the community again, they need to solve this gigantic problem. The community became so negative and toxic, that you can't play 2 games in a row without someone flaming on you, trolling you, etc, even before the game started. Punishing toxicity in games is a waste of time, as anyone can mute toxic person, but in a pre-game champ select, you can't do anything, you can watch as someone intentionally bans your main, and laughs about it, flames on you because he doesn't like the Champion you want to lock in. I really hope one day this issue gets recognized by someone in Riot, and that they will decide to do something about it. I am thankful for all the games I've had so far, for all the great times and funny moments. It was nice to play League, and I hope one day, it will be again.

21 Comments

Chermorg2 votes

If he was above you in pick order, he had every right to pick either Garen or Teemo ADC. Maybe his client did bug, maybe he owns less champions than you, maybe he wanted to go Teemo ADC. You're right that he most likely won't get warned/punished because he was above you in pick order.

You claim to not be the "meta slave", but this whole situation started because you were angry at him for a) wanting to play an off meta champion, b) playing a different off meta champion either on purpose or by accident, and c) picking your champion because he's above you in pick order. Notice how two of the "triggers" for your anger/quitting are the "off meta" things that happened.

It is impossible to "troll" the game before it starts. It is possible to be verbally abusive and/or harass your teammate in champion selection, and they can express intent to troll, but they haven't actually trolled until the game itself starts. This is really just semantics, but it boils down to that the vast majority of punishments issued for lobby/champion select behavior will be for chat offenses as there's simply no gameplay to punish a gameplay offense for yet.

If someone is laughing at banning your champion, they can be punished for negative attitude, verbal abuse, and/or harassment. However, considering they're permitted to ban your champion if they want to, for whatever reason, they won't get punished "more" for that. Riot certainly does punish for pre-game lobby behavior, however as of right now the only way to report it is in a support ticket. Further, screenshots would help, as I believe I read somewhere that the pre-game lobby chat is only fully recorded if a game starts from it. But I may be wrong there.

I can understand you not liking the game's core mechanics (banning, pick order, etc). However, that does not mean there is a fundamental problem with the system as you try to claim there is. I'm not a huge fan of CS:GO because of how the matches are decided. That doesn't mean there's a problem with CS:GO, it just means that CS:GO isn't the game for me. Maybe League isn't the game for you if you're unwilling to accept and play with the core game mechanics like that.

Best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do.

Wind of Clarity1 votes

You claim to not be the "meta slave", but this whole situation started because you were angry at him for a) wanting to play an off meta champion, b) playing a different off meta champion either on purpose or by accident, and c) picking your champion because he's above you in pick order. Notice how two of the "triggers" for your anger/quitting are the "off meta" things that happened.

I was not angry at him for picking Teemo adc. I accept that anyone can play any champion they want to at any role they want to. This is not what get me upset at all. He could have gone Skarner adc, it didn't matter at all. I got upset because he locked in the champion I wanted to play for clear verbal abusing intentions. Riot could solve this problem, as I replied above, by making so that you need to lock in the champ you want to play, before the actual banning/picking phase. If you locked a certain Champion, say Zed, then your teammates can't ban or pick that specific champion. This would solve a lot of problems I think, and it doesn't have the negative side effects. If I could think of this, I'm sure Riot employee can think of something maybe even better than this.

Chermorg1 votes

After asking "wtf?", he replied with: "I got bugged, wanted to play Garen."

I'll take that three ways - he's telling the truth, he's lying and wanted to play teemo, and he's lying and was trying to abuse you:

  1. He's telling the truth - in which case you have no reason to be mad with him, as it was a legitimate accident.

  2. He's lying and wanted to play teemo - you still have no reason to be mad, as he's higher than you in pick order, and the sentence "I got bugged, wanted to play Garen" isn't verbally abusive. In this scenario it's a lie, yes, but it's not harassment or abuse.

  3. He's lying and trying to abuse you - Unless he said some other things in chat that you left out, he's still not abusing you, and he's allowed to pick your champ if he wants to play it in the game - even if the only reason he wants to play it is because you hovered it.

Further, Riot considers pick order and banning to be integral to the draft pick mode. If you're permitted to override your teammates' ability to pick and ban the champions they choose based on their pick order, that changes the core mechanic of the game. As I said above, if you have an issue with the core mechanic of draft pick, you can either stick to normal games, or find another game. The responsibility of Riot is to provide the game they choose to provide - not to provide the game you want to play. It's like if you went to Hasbro and said "I don't like the game of Risk because it's based on battling between countries can you change it please?" You can't just ask a company to change the core mechanics of the game - if the company wants to do it, they can, but you have no standing to ask them to do so simply for your personal desires.

Wind of Clarity1 votes

I understand this, but I am not asking Riot to make League what I want it to be, I'm asking to make it better for the whole player community, and I bet that the huge number of pro players and/or streamers would agree with this. Just take a look at streamers for example. I don't want to name any of them, but the "one trick pony" streamers, that main one champion only, usually get trolled by their teammates in champion select, who purposely ban say Draven, Shaco, Riven, Renekton etc.(their otps). Ask anyone on the pro League scene, if they wanted this change to hit the Soloqueue, I am almost certain that 90%+ of them would agree with it being deployed.

Chermorg1 votes

Riot doesn't cater to pros/streamers/OTPs though. Riot builds League for the general community. They do surveys continuously in the client where people will see a popup (I get one once every year or two at least) and be able to offer feedback. That's how they determine what the community wants changed in the core mechanics - not by pro players' desires.

I can understand that you'd appreciate draft pick being drastically changed, and I'm sure you're not the only one who would. However, if Riot saw a need for change from the community-at-large, then they would work on it. Personally, I disagree with you that it'd be better for the whole player community, as there's whole host of issues with locking in your desired pick before ban phase. Including that your team composition cannot shift across the course of the pick phase to meet the enemy's team comp, among others. Regardless, the larger reason Riot probably hasn't done this is that people are content with the current system in general.

Wind of Clarity1 votes

Maybe Riot should actually ask the community about this problem (getting the champ you wan't to play disabled(banned, locked in) by your team on purpose, just to hurt your gameplay and piss you off). I think you did not understand my suggestion. Make it so, there is the first picking phase. The champions are not shown to your teammates, until you pick one, and click "lock in" button, after one player picks a certain champion, other four teammates can't lock in that same champion after him. All five players locked in their desired champions, say they picked the following list of champions. A player playing top lane picked Fiora, a player assigned mid(you) picked Zed, jungler picked Warwick, and support and adc picked Thresh and Lucian. Now the banning phase is starting, and you can see your teammates picks, but not the enemy picks, they are still unknown to you. The banning phase is completely same as it is now, except you can't ban the five champions that are locked in by you and your teammates, but you can still ban all other champions even the ones that your enemies locked in(you still don't know which champions they picked). The banning phase is over, it shows which champions are banned by both teams(ten champions, both teams ban five, as it is now). If there are champions locked in, that in banning phase got banned, they just disappear( like they do now). The whole system after this is completely the same as it is right now. You are the player assigned mid, and Zed got banned by your opponents team. You can now show your new champion you want to play mid to your teammates, but now they can't ban it, but if they are above you in order can still pick it. As I said this part is already live ingame now. This change is not much, as it hits only one champion (suppose it's your main or otp), and you get the protection for that champion only, your next one is gonna be, as it is now, unsafe from your teammates picking it. What this does, is that it protects your main champ being exposed by your teammates, while your enemies can still ban that particular champion, but they can't target you personally(they don't see your nickname in champ select) which is the whole point of this topic. I hope I cleared it for you now, if anything is unclear, feel free to ask.

Chermorg1 votes

I think I understand it better now, but I'm afraid I still have the same concerns:

  1. It basically does away with a teammate's right to ban a champion they don't want in the game.

  2. What if a teammate notices a last pick OP champion that's likely to be picked by the enemy team before your team can pick it (say your team isn't first pick), but they can't ban it because their last pick has it "hovered"/"locked"?

Wind of Clarity1 votes

I am really glad you do. Let's give you my thoughts on your concerns.

  1. Yes, it unfortunately "limit" their ban pool, to the whole champion pool minus the five champions.

  2. Yes, again unfortunately, this system is "risking" those five champions to be locked in by the enemy team before you, but luckily, in the situation you mentioned here, where the enemy team has the first pick, and picks the op champion locked by your teammate that is last in order to pick, you have two picks, to potentially lock in one or two champions, your opponents locked in, in the first phase. Personally I find this second concern of yours, not as unfair, as it first appears. Remember, your opponents are banning all op champions that are not picked by their team, and your team does it too, so most likely, "god tier" champions will still get banned, and even if any of them remain unbanned, the picking order makes it so you can pick as many "god tier" champions as your opponent.

EDIT: I think I might actually ask the community, to hear what they think about my idea. Of course, I will need to make a new discussion in the place where that kind of a discussion belongs.

Chermorg2 votes

While I don't see Riot doing away with draft pick entirely, I think that it's certainly possible they consider changes to it in normals, and/or form a new queue with rules in between draft/normals. The best way to start that discussion would be in Gameplay probably - if you do and want me to pop over and offer some opinions (I actually think you do have some good ideas, they just need fine tuning) I'd be happy to, or if not I won't.

If you can get a large support on Gameplay for your ideas, you may attract the attention of the right Rioters to make something happen - it won't be immediate but eventually.

Wind of Clarity1 votes

Thank you for your understanding, I did post my idea in Gameplay section, but people have different opinions, and I personally think that they don't like my idea, because they are afraid of the new changes, like they all were negative about the new five bans per team rule, which as we all can see, turned out to be a pretty good change. My idea has a base, but as I mentioned first, and as you stated here, it needs a lot of fine tuning. I'm aware of my system problems and negative effects, but I'm sure Rioters can make it a lot better. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything that only I wish for, but I am sure that Riot can consider my idea if they ever want to make some changes to the current "Champion select" system. If nobody agrees with me that the current system needs some small changes, I will agree with the crowd and abandon my current views.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

For the love of God Cher you're still pushing this view? lol I like damn near everything you post but once again you're wrong and there is an entire thread on the boards loaded with the counter opinions/evidence to a lot of what you're saying here.

EvilDustMan2 votes

I think Chermog is a bit harsh here, the person was quite probably trolling you. It's unfortunate, but it's hard to police. Afterall, he might have actually wanted to play Teemo and it is his right.

The correct choice here was to ask to trade, not assume, and if they were trolling you, force them to play Teemo adc and suffer the horrible lack of range. Granted, they could have said Garen to make you play Garen top.

You don't actually know what their situation is unless they say it out loud and there isn't much to do about it. It's a shitbird thing for someone to do. I agree. But there's really nothing to do about it. The reverse could be true and someone could lock in a pick before bans to screw someone else out of a pick.

This is just one of those times where people can be dicks and it sucks, but that's just how it is going to be in any MOBA like this.

MysterQ1 votes

I have low respect for some mods. No offense to Chermog, I barely know him. But so many mods take a high and mighty attitude and don't see things from a realistic perspective.

MysterQ1 votes

Why didn't you pick Garen and trade? Even though he is trolling.

Wind of Clarity1 votes

He locked in Teemo on purpose, and did not want to trade obviously, and even if he did want to, that's not the point of this thread.

MysterQ1 votes

There is problem. Absolutely rant.

But I was just giving one suggestion. I already said he was unlikely to trade. But if he said he would and then didn't you can still report for unsportsmanlike (even if he isn't punished).

The other solution of course is to not show you want Teemo. If you never show it you never worry. If you always plan on picking it, who cares what your team needs to know.

Or just "quit."

Wind of Clarity1 votes

I think I have a better solution to this problem. Riot could make it so that you need to lock in the champ you want to play, before the actual banning/picking phase. If you locked a certain Champion, say Zed, then your teammates can't ban or pick that specific champion. This would solve a lot of problems I think, and it doesn't have the negative side effects. If I could think of this, I'm sure Riot employee can think of something maybe even better than this.

MysterQ1 votes

I would be fine with that.

It is too bad you quit.

CherryBlossom4901 votes

Glitches do happen. One time when I was in champ select, a teammate wanted to play Ahri but when it was his/her turn to pick, I tried to change my champ declaration fromNamitheSoraka. Then, the selection glitched on him/her and locked in Soraka instead of Ahri. I should have locked in Ahri myself, then traded with him/her, but I didn't think about it because I was caught up in what seemed to be my mistake. In the end, my team surrendered.

xPhantomDancerX1 votes

Yeah...people like you are why every match is always a loss.

DrCyanide1 votes

So, I decided quiting League is my only choice here, at least until Riot decides to make some kind of a system, where people in your team won't ban/lock in a champion you wanted to play

Well, so long then. I firmly believe that the system you want would lead to far worse trolling in champion select, with people queuing up as "support" for the fast queue times, hovering what's OP so your team can't ban it while forcing someone to trade roles with them.

What's more likely to happen is them giving Teemo a mini rework so he isn't so poorly thought of.

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