Alternative Punishment for Players Permabanned for Chat Logs

rtbf23602824·May 21, 2018·3 votes·1,393 views

Instead of permanently banning an account on which a person--who cares about winning--spent a great deal of time and money, why doesn't Riot just institute a permanent chat ban. For those players whose chat logs were the only reason they were punished, why does it make sense to permanently ban their accounts when a permanent chat ban would solve the problem. These players are not griefing, they are not inting, and they are not going afk. They are perhaps spewing inhuman, degrading, and unacceptable language in chat. Taking away their chat privileges would totally solve the problem. If Riot's employees were reasonable and capable of logical thought they would institute this fix and create a punishment that fits the "crime."

11 Comments

Arisha the DarkMay 21, 201814 votes

You know, adding 2 options to your poll that both support your idea does not make your idea more legitimate. It actually reduces it's value, showing that you don't care about other people opinions and just want to force your opinion on others.

About actual idea. Riot already tried it. They concluded that players who are toxic in chat are usually toxic in chat because they want to vent their frustration. Because of that, if those players get permanent chat ban, many of them start venting their frustration in other ways, for example by inting or trolling. Even if they didn't do that before.

rtbf23602824May 21, 20182 votes

Oh it does? Thank you for your insight. And toxic doesn't exist. Not a real thing. You want to know what makes players "toxic?" Stealing 30 minutes from someone else's life because you can't be bothered to listen to teammates or think critically about a game, the objective of which is to win.

This Is Your DadMay 21, 20186 votes

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Oh it does? Thank you for your insight. And toxic doesn't exist. Not a real thing. You want to know what makes players "toxic?" Stealing 30 minutes from someone else's life because you can't be bothered to listen to teammates or think critically about a game, the objective of which is to win.

What makes you think your strats are master tier? Maybe they don't listen to your strat because it sucks.

DI4BLIT0May 21, 20182 votes

"They concluded." Many of them do something so collective punishment for all. What a wonderful system.

JamareeMay 21, 201812 votes

They tried that, it failed since said players just came up with different ways to be toxic.

Also, please get that "trying to win" bullshit out of here, if you were actually trying to win, you wouldn't be flaming in the first place.

rtbf23602824May 21, 20182 votes

Wrong.

rtbf23602824May 21, 20181 votes

Wouldn't you? What about when winning is no longer a possibility? No that could never happen.

ModPrandineMay 21, 20185 votes

From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

If someone isn't gonna interact with others in a mature and respectful manner despite getting multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the community?

P.S. In the future I would highly suggest refraining from making biased polls. When your only poll choices are ones agreeing with you then it just sends the message that you're not actually looking for a discussion, you just want to hear Yesman answers only, which is a very poor way of receiving feedback on stuff.

rtbf23602824May 21, 20181 votes

Yeah definitely more feeders. I can't get enough of feeders. He's creating a false dichotomy. With a permanent chat ban there wouldn't be the possibility of negative chat. Feeding would be the only possibility and feeding is anathema to players who want to win a game. I don't care about feedback on stuff. I'm just venting. There is no discussion necessary because there aren't two ways to think about this issue. If chat is the reason for a ban, then taking away chat takes away the reason for the ban. Regardless of whatever Riot concluded about most players. If they're going to impose death sentence bans they need to do so on an ad-hoc basis or not at all.

ModPrandineMay 21, 20183 votes

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Yeah definitely more feeders. I can't get enough of feeders. He's creating a false dichotomy. With a permanent chat ban there wouldn't be the possibility of negative chat. Feeding would be the only possibility and feeding is anathema to players who want to win a game. I don't care about feedback on stuff. I'm just venting. There is no discussion necessary because there aren't two ways to think about this issue. If chat is the reason for a ban, then taking away chat takes away the reason for the ban. Regardless of whatever Riot concluded about most players. If they're going to impose death sentence bans they need to do so on an ad-hoc basis or not at all.

You're missing the point. If you just remove chat then the people who would normally act up via chat will just switch over to trolling and intentional feeding, two things that are much harder to detect and prove intent for than simple chat related offenses are. Besides Riot isn't gonna remove a feature just because a player would misuse it: they'll instead just remove the jerk.

As for the so-called "Death sentence" bans, if you're talking about permanent bans then those only come after the player in question has proved time and time again that they have no interest in interacting with others in a mature and respectful manner. Again I say if someone isn't gonna interact with others in a mature and respectful manner despite getting multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the community? The line has to be drawn somewhere.