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Honesty on "name shaming"

SorenAlucard·5/27/2017, 3:45:46 PM·1 votes·781 views

I say remove this moderation. If you're a troll and get your name and a clip of you trolling posted online, YOU EARNED IT BUDDY. I haven't done this myself, but I've seen many a removed post and I can't help but wonder "why the hell not?"

If League was overall a nice community that welcomed players and was this wonderful, friendly experience, I could see us not wanting to shame people and marginalize them

But considering that isn't the case and its reputation is overly hostile, I say let people get the GOT treatment (SHAME! SHAME!) You can't mute away an int feeders actions, but you sure as shit could make a video clip, put their name up and say "avoid this player because they will probably troll you"

Would it be abused by salty people and a bunch of unjustified posts be created? Oh yeah definitely, but if you weren't actually trolling then what do you have to worry about? People troll anyway and it takes forever for them to see Rito's repercussions (unless they've got an exceptionally colorful mouth) Honestly, Riot doesn't have adequate policies for stopping these players, so let them embarrass themselves.

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

Edit: If you down vote, pls provide a reasonable answer actually addressing my points. If you skimmed and just went emotionally "no" I won't hear the other perspectives.

Im surprised at the downvotes, namely because none have provided anything other than "omg whining board people and harassment!" or "People's feelings!" or "But but but then people can make up stuff!" Edit: Some of you very much started presenting more sense, much appreciated, this above statement doesn't apply anymore

How logical does it sound that one would have to deal with a heap of undeserved berating from a false post? Take a second, consider the likelihood of 1 false post with just your summoner name leading to so much harassment that you wouldn't be able to cope. Ridiculous lol lets add some reality

A.) If its false, you are in no danger of Riot punishing your account. B.) People can't DM you unless they are on your friends list, this means you'd only log into a heap of shit if YOU added them and let them talk trash you lol That's assuming you're popular enough for there even to be that many friend requests and/or board messages. C.) For anyone you encounter who may recognize your name; you have a mute. What are they going to do? Troll you? Good thing you can post that video with their name in it, maybe there are even more in existence already. Not to mention, its a video of you not trolling D.) What is the probability you'd get enough negative posts about just you, that would warrant people to seek you out on the boards or server? E.) If you're so infamous from trolling that any of these situations would really apply to you, then you deserve to not be liked and I rest my case. You've created an environment for yourself that's akin to punishment Riot didn't even have to lift a finger.

Lastly, I'm not proposing that lifting the name-shame ban will cure toxic people or inherently fix all of leagues problems, but it just might add one more reason for people to not troll. It wouldn't even be the most effective means to stop trolling, as you'd probably have to be infamous for anyone to really want to come after you (besides riot). And so if your opinion is even "what difference would it make?" I still ask, why not? lol

32 Comments

Deep Terror Nami5/27/2017, 5:50:12 PM6 votes

This is a good discussion to have, but I want to remind everyone to not turn to making personal insults towards each other or groups of people. Making insulting accusations is not necessary to have this conversation, and I don't want to have to shut discussion down because we can't be respectful. Thank you!

-DTN

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Chermorg5/27/2017, 3:51:07 PM6 votes

What good does it do to post someone's name on the board?

Someone had a bad game, got some information in real life that worked them up, and now you want to hang them in a public forum for it?

Just because people like you need the validation of posting it somewhere else and having people say "oh my gosh i'm so sorry you had to deal with that" doesn't mean it's right or should happen. Hit report, move on. The boards are not the place for 1000 posts of "look at this toxic player" because it does nothing but waste people's time.

Mecha MaIphite5/27/2017, 5:54:00 PM4 votes

Two reasons.

Firstly, it doesn't actually do anything. You're much better off just submitting a ticket than posting on the boards. If you want to draw attention to the issue of Riot failing to adequately address intentional feeding, you could easily do it without naming anyone (blur out names in match history, etc). Attacking an individual does nothing except give you a misplaced sense of righteous indignation.

Secondly, the boards is infamous for circlejerking. It's pretty easy to sway people over with rhetoric, and get them to witch hunt someone by portraying them in a negative light. Just look at when Reddit "identified" the Boston Bomber and sent threats to a random student's family after the student had killed himself. Even if the boards "correctly" identified a troll, who says we have the authority to go after said troll? Mob justice is a terrible, terrible idea.

Toshidon5/27/2017, 6:01:17 PM2 votes

i agree with this post aswell, i dont know how many times iv been insulted from teammates or enemy players after or during a game post it here and it gets taken down because of this policy. if the post is going to be taken down at least direct me to the report section on the website properly instead of just saying 'oh you shouldnt do that go report them instead' then give no link to the reporting section which i have yet to find on the website.

P.S if you know where it is please direct me to it (this is a side note you dont have to)

Who is Taliyah5/27/2017, 4:37:54 PM2 votes

It's the same with self-administered justice. You don't go onto the streets and say <Random name> has stolen from the convenience story. People that would say this most likely just want people to know that that person is a thief, but some people that know of this want to apply their own "justice" and physically hurt that person or something.

In the case of name shaming on the boards: You can not control other people. Some people might just add this person ingame and threaten them or something.

It sounds like it would never happen, but the thing is, you never know.

*Edit You go to the police and report a thief in real life. In League the police is riot and you report a flamer or troll to riot.

SnakDatSmilesBak5/27/2017, 6:07:07 PM2 votes

I respect that you asked for opposing viewpoints so here's mine:

Showing the name of a troll/flamer on these boards won't help to reform the person. If this was a community dedicated to helping each other be better members of said community then I would allow naming.

However, naming would just be used to shame rather than help support each other. Chances are the player that people shame won't ever see the post. In these cases the shamed player would have no way to defend him or herself and for the most part these shaming posts would go unchallenged.

Unchallenged named accusations would either result in nothing (in which case they are uselss), or they would result in a witch hunt of sorts like others have mentioned on this thread.

If and only if there were a community dedicated to helping toxic/trolling players, then I would allow naming.

Silent Gravity5/28/2017, 8:14:27 AM1 votes

I'm against it.

Take all of the things you've said that it won't have any effect on innocent people.

That means it won't have any effect on the guilty people either.

ModUlanopo5/28/2017, 12:55:09 AM1 votes

Back in Season 1, there were a few websites that tried to maintain blacklists, but they didn't work. The biggest problem was false reporting. A name-and-shame thread won't reach enough people to be effective and the moment it did would be the moment the bad, old drama would return.

ModPeriscope5/28/2017, 1:06:26 AM1 votes

Wonderful GoT reference. To note, she was punished by the very power she created.

I'm quick to point out naming and shaming posts for many of the reasons others have listed on this post; as such, I disagree with your stance.

  1. Innocent until proven guilty. No player deserves to have evidence posted here of their toxicity, as they should have a fair, unbiased view from our perspective when we see them in game. This includes making up fake posts.
  2. Riot's punishment seems to involve detection, punishment, and reform. These posts accomplish punishment, do nothing to enhance detection, and diminish reform.
  3. Risks and Benefit. Overwhelmingly, the population of players in this game are non-toxic. Only a small percentage of players or permabanned. Allowing name and shame sounds like a great way to increase punishment, but has potential for abuse. The potential for increased punishment is vastly outweighed by potential for abuse of the relatively innocent population.

You've also advocated using the mute system and "having thick skin" to deal with potentially false posts about a player. I feel like toxic people lack those two qualities.

Icy Hot Shoto5/27/2017, 4:41:32 PM1 votes

Actually, it's called witch hunting.

Posting a name of someone who's doing something wrong is you saying to hunt down that person and be rude to them.

Heck, you wouldn't even need proof. You could go and say "So-an-So likes to int in all their games and talk trash about their team, blaming them the whole game for what he's doing." all because you don't like that person. People would see it, and then add that player if they're on the same server or hunt around the boards for them. They would then proceed to just be rude to that person in whatever way they decide.

Keep names out of the boards if it's going to be used to try and get that person in trouble or to cause drama.