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Bring me my belt·11/9/2019, 2:48:37 PM·1 votes·2,114 views

This is the message I receive while challenging a penalty that I do not see fit. 2 others were trying to get our top lane trynd to understand what he did wrong yet this part of chat log receives me a penalty. I am trying to win my games, and if trying to get people to learn new things is considered toxic, then just remove the chat.

Mangu5ta (Riot Games Player Support)

Nov 8, 1:11 PM PST

Hey there,

Mangu5ta leaping in.

I've checked the last punishment that you received on the account and I'll gladly explain it:

I know people perceive negativity differently so I'll try my best to give you some examples that to others might've looked negative even though for you it might have not seemed so:

Arguing with other players. I know that sometimes not all players are on the same page and can have different opinions regarding how to approach the game strategy. But emotions should never come first in this kind of arguments. If you find that a player doesn't share your point of view, try politely explaining what your opinion is. [14:42] Shinobigatana (Sivir): we arnt the ones crying [14:58] Shinobigatana (Sivir): how am i harrasing you [15:06] Shinobigatana (Sivir): you literally being toxic and cant take advice [15:22] Shinobigatana (Sivir): if you dont want to be 2v12 learn to freeze lane [15:24] Shinobigatana (Sivir): easy math [15:29] Shinobigatana (Sivir): he wasnt being toxic [15:37] Shinobigatana (Sivir): he stated your lane is always pushed [15:42] Shinobigatana (Sivir): and you threatened to int [15:45] Shinobigatana (Sivir): thats on you [16:22] Shinobigatana (Sivir): so are you

Pointing out the mistakes of others and complaining about their game play. No one likes to be told they are doing something wrong. Instead, try giving constructive feedback. Mention your previous experience or give friendly advice, do not just say they are bad. [10:57] Shinobigatana (Sivir): you shoved lane then kayle shoved you under your tower

[17:01] Shinobigatana (Sivir): no dude you legit perma pushed lane

Now, you didn't insult anyone, you're right about this but you've gotten yourself into an argument and started pointing out the mistakes other made. Why is this negative, well, because the other players in the game got tilted by your comments, the team vibe at this points was an aggressive one. People who just argue don't really focus on the game and in the end the main goal of the game is winning.

This is only 10 chat restricted games, the first applicable punishment and you had some others in the past. This means you have managed to reform. This must've been just a bad game but I'm sure that you'll manage to reform the account again. Just try to not get into arguments with others, even if they're being toxic. Mute and report is the go-to way to act.

I hope this brings some light on the matter but if you have any other question, don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers!

Mangu5ta Player Support Specialist "Change is good"

5 Comments

Cind3rkick11/9/2019, 2:53:47 PM3 votes

Seems fair to me. If someone was constantly saying "you shouldve done x or y and then maybe you would do good" or "your playing x you need to do y" I would get really annoyed.

As for removing that... you can turn off your chat if you want. Im gonna keep it on and communicate properly with the rest of my team

EATARI11/9/2019, 2:57:17 PM2 votes

I think the Riot support explained it quite well, and a minor infraction of a 10 game chat penalty is pretty fair. They even explained proper action steps for the future. Any criticism of your teammates should work to build up their skill library, not demoralize them.

rujitra11/9/2019, 7:29:39 PM2 votes

None of the logs you were given are you trying to help people play better, they’re literally just you flaming them for doing bad or making mistakes.

Fourth Shot11/9/2019, 5:55:23 PM1 votes

dude getting banned by that is stupid.like srsly just mute him if u dont want to listen to his advices.people in eune are flaming each other super badly but noone cares cuz its a fcking game.what should be punished are trollers

Mr Sa1nt11/9/2019, 8:40:25 PM1 votes

What about the other guys, what were they saying? If they were being toxic, and you joined in on it, that makes you an accessory right?

From my own experience, Riot is pretty much against criticism anyways...be it constructive or not. Although, if you're offering advice in a peaceful or positive way, I personally don't see why that would be wrong. They don't want you to get on peoples' cases though, they want you to focus on your own game and not the rest of the players...which is a little odd, because that's essentially like treating a team game as a solo game. shrug

From your logs, it doesn't look like you were being toxic, but you were however more focused on that person's gameplay than you should've been. That person likely wasn't even trying to hear the advice given, so everyone should've just stopped trying to give it to them. People have their own idea of how to play the game, and unless they are boosted or you're a smurf...you're both at the same ranking, and at that point you don't know the game much better than they do. If it wasn't even a ranked game, then you should've just chilled out and had fun anyways...normals aren't meant to be so serious.

Anyways, the ideal thing you can do is just let it go when that happens. There's not even much reason in trying to give advice anyways, even if it's a kind thing to do in the long run for another person. That person likely won't be on your team ever again, and if they truly are the reason you were losing...they likely will go down in ranking while you go up. And if that person were tilted, there's hardly a chance they'd listen to you at all anyways, because they are emotionally off their game.