“In the real world”

rujitra·4/16/2019, 8:28:07 PM·23 votes·12,741 views

How many times have we seen, heard, or even thought ourselves something like the following?

In the real world, if someone curses at me, I’m allowed to curse back In the real world, if someone pisses me off and i hit him once, I won’t be arrested In the real world X, Y, Z

And this is great - we can debate the validity of the real world arguments all we want (ex: some places you will be arrested for hitting someone once even for good reason).

##But they don’t apply to League.

League is a video game. It’s specifically created to provide enjoyment and an escape from the real world hustle, bustle, and assholeness. There is a very good reason why League operates on “stricter” rules than the real world - because it’s designed to not be the real world.

As a comparison, please consider wherever you like to go for an enjoyment - be it a movie theater, a bar, a public park, a pool/water park/theme park, etc.

Please feel free to link me any one of those places that does not throw people out for disturbing others experience - no matter who started it.

74 Comments

General Esdeath 4/16/2019, 9:36:41 PM9 votes

I love the line "In the real world nobody reports or bans you for using 'hate speech' they're not snowflakes."

Go to any random public area with a manager and customers, and start yelling racial slurs. See how long before you're kicked out.

DrippyBrownHole4/17/2019, 2:43:22 PM5 votes

What if I enjoy trolling in League? Is that okay? Am I allowed to use that as my escape?

Mavëríck4/17/2019, 7:31:02 PM4 votes

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How many times have we seen, heard, or even thought ourselves something like the following?

And this is great - we can debate the validity of the real world arguments all we want (ex: some places you will be arrested for hitting someone once even for good reason).

##But they don’t apply to League.

League is a video game. It’s specifically created to provide enjoyment and an escape from the real world hustle, bustle, and assholeness. There is a very good reason why League operates on “stricter” rules than the real world - because it’s designed to not be the real world.

As a comparison, please consider wherever you like to go for an enjoyment - be it a movie theater, a bar, a public park, a pool/water park/theme park, etc.

Please feel free to link me any one of those places that does not throw people out for disturbing others experience - no matter who started it.

Honestly... you seem like you really need a safe space... it's disturbing.

woodvsmurph4/16/2019, 9:17:26 PM4 votes

That's just the problem buddy.

You're throwing out the guy that keeps talking on his phone during the movie or who makes lewd remarks at others in the theater just fine. You SHOULD be doing that and you do which is cool. Nobody has a problem with this.

But the guy who gets kicked from the theater for telling someone else to F off... while he might agree that he should get kicked for that, he's said that to somebody else for a reason. Because the other guy made more subtle references to the women in the group that he went to the movie with and because he kept kicking the back of their seat the whole film and throwing popcorn down the guy's hoodie. When that guy noticed a theater employee walking through during the film and asked if the employee if he could do something about the obnoxious person throwing popcorn, kicking seats, and making more subtle references at women... the employee excused all the behavior. "Oh, he can't help kicking the seat... he's probably just excited." "He didn't mean anything by what he said about your friends... it could have been perfectly innocent, and I doubt it was 20 references like you claim." "Well everyone can drop popcorn sometimes, and for all you know I've already talked to him about taking smaller handfuls."

Individually, or done once by mistake it might be just that. A guy accidentally kicking a seat during a moment of excitement. A guy grabbing too much popcorn and spilling some. A guy making an innocent comment. Done repetitively and without any sign of remorse for potential "misunderstanding", it isn't a mistake. It is a guy intentionally being an ass to another guy. And if the movie theater doesn't like that second guy telling the first one to "F off", then they'd do well to listen when that guy FIRST TRIED to raise a complaint to the movie theater employee and let them handle the situation properly. But the movie theater didn't do anything about that person. They made excuses for him and made the second guy sound like a jerk. Then it is no wonder that second guy - also just TRYING TO HAVE SOME FUN - takes matters into his own hands and tries to resolve the problem by making his displeasure more blatantly known in the hopes the first guy takes the hint and leaves him in peace.

But guy 1 never gets punished. Neither in the theater, nor in league. Guy 2 knows that telling guy 1 to "F off" isn't appropriate behavior for the theater or league, but what's he supposed to do? The theater isn't protecting HIS RIGHT to have some fun. League isn't protecting his right. What makes him less deserving than the first guy? Why does his misbehavior get punished when he tried to resolve the situation respectfully multiple times while the first guy has been constantly disrespectful and non-apologetic from the start yet has nothing done to stop his behavior?

This is where people have a problem. This is why I quit playing league despite it being my favorite game. Because I've grown sick of you guys defending guy 1 while crucifying guy 2 (me). Guy 1 has a right to have a fun game without me cursing at him? Great, I agree. But I also have a right to enjoy a game without guy 1 low-key harassing and flaming me all game and going out of his way to ruin the game so that I can't even mind my own business and have fun too. If I'm minding my own business and trying to just enjoy the game only for guy 1 to come and do everything in his power to ruin it for me, being confrontational towards me, and trying to get my teammates to join him in harassing me... I think I have a right to be defended too. I have a right for you to give him the axe if he won't fix his poor behavior. But like mr. spill the popcorn, harass women in the theaters, and kick the back of your seat repetitively... guy 1 in league gets a free pass. His behavior is excused by you rather than examined and punished. Even if guy 2 never tells guy 1 to "F off", guy 1 doesn't have anything done to him to reform his behavior. So he goes on ruining more games for more people. Eventually, guy 2 will have enough of running into guy 1's game after game and he'll take matters into his own hands because League/theater isn't handling guy 1's behavior. And at that point... while behavior of guy 2 (telling guy 1 to "F off") may deserve punishment in and of itself... it's justified in the context.

Firstly, it's justified because he was a gentleman and gave multiple chances for guy 1 to stop being a jackass to no avail. Secondly it's justified because league/theater has shown that they won't take action against improper behavior - ignoring and excusing guy 1's REPETITIVE disrespectful and inappropriate behavior. Therefore, league/theater has no moral grounds to stand on when they then take action against guy 2 for eventually telling guy 1 to "F off". If they'd taken action against guy 1 and dealt with the problem and THEN guy 2 STILL went and did what he did, they'd be standing on moral high ground for punishing guy 2. But having been a bystander to guy 2's plight only to then step in and punish guy 2 for what he does to guy 1 is not standing on moral high ground. It's having double standards. In that scenario... nobody holds moral high ground, although if anyone were to come close to it, it would be guy 2.

Stop punishing guy 2 and acting like he's some unreasonable hateful jackass. Consider the context. Consider everything he went through that lead him to the point where he was willing to tell guy 1 to "F off". And consider your own actions (those of the theater/Riot) during that time. You don't stand on moral high ground when you choose to protect one person's right to "escape reality and have fun" while letting that same person ruin somebody else's. Either you need to defend everyone's rights or you need to leave everyone to defend themselves only. You can't have it both ways and claim moral high ground. So nice story - for real... as you can see from my post I draw similar examples to illustrate my point often - but Riot doesn't live up to the standards it claims.

If you care about that, you'll work to change this. If you follow my scenario's logic, you'll understand the double standard I point out and work to change that about Riot. If not, you'll just post some generic response below trying unsuccessfully to out-logic me and justify Riot's current approach of protecting "guy 1" while punishing "guy 2"... or just have my post removed. Here's hoping you're different from the rest and actually give a crap.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ4/17/2019, 11:32:54 AM4 votes

In the real world, in an actual football match I doubt there are players who intentionally lose the game for their team.

Why is this allowed in League?

I'm eager to hear the answer... "specialist".

Scottsc204/17/2019, 6:54:27 PM4 votes

In that case, Riot should just close down the LCS, stop people from streaming their game, and make damn sure that no one can make money off it. Because, hey, it's not connected to the real world, right? People don't want to actually try to win ranked, right? Fuck off.

Jerry SeinfeId4/17/2019, 1:56:05 PM3 votes

don't change the fact that riot is waaaaaay to triggerhappy with "verbal abuse" bans. And there's a reason i put that in quotation marks.

BrightWîngs4/17/2019, 4:50:05 PM3 votes

In the real world you are expected to be an adult hitting people because they make you mad is being a child

Ph03n1xb1rd4/17/2019, 1:20:06 AM3 votes

As a comparison, please consider wherever you like to go for an enjoyment - … Please feel free to link me any one of those places that does not throw people out for disturbing others experience - no matter who started it.

Rito and trolls, if there would be "stricter" rules, trolls would be punished more :) I liked to play LoL for enjoyment, and these asshats were not kicked...

Also, just as you said LoL is NOT REAL LIFE, you have a mute button in LoL, sadly not IRL :\

Season 9 Blows4/16/2019, 9:10:29 PM1 votes

Depends on the establishment. Some places would just throw out the instigating party. What YOU view to be "disturbing" some might find it entertaining or a part of the experience. It's like you getting mad because someone in a theater laughs at something you don't find funny so you deem it as a disturbance. Or if lets say a bunch of people throw a party you weren't invited to, it's a little loud, so you call the police because YOU aren't having a good time even though you know damn well what they are doing isn't a huge disturbance. You sound like that woman who reported folks in the park for having a Bar B Cue because it violated some obscure stupid ass rule.

Also keep in mind League of Legends exist in the "real world". So by default the rules of the "real world" naturally apply. While you might get different results within this game, it doesn't stop the nature of real world people, especially considering this video game is set up in a way to highly appeal to a competitive spirit even though it isn't a competitive game according to you.

Season 9 Blows4/16/2019, 8:50:21 PM1 votes

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