Riots Tribunal is Trash

l DasALI3N l··3 votes·938 views

Today i was Perma-banned. Ive said some rude things during my time playing league, most of which was provoked by other players. Ive been told "Disable your chat, dont talk, etc." to avoid dealing with the people. But then i just get reported for anything else because the butt hurt community of the NA side of LoL decides they will report simply because they can. People say racist and stereotypical jokes all the time. In every game as well not just LoL. Its a general thing that happens in every game. I remember when Dunkey got a suspension for what he said. If someone was doing what the person Dunkey said shit to in their game im sure they would say something as well. Its the internet. People say shit, get used to it, or get off.

I would like some votes for the poll, and i ask really think about it. People all get bad games and everyone trash talks. Think about the money you put into the game then think about it just being taken away in an instant because of one game.

42 Comments

PIMPSMOOTH8 votes

A few things you should consider for your next account:

  • Money spent doesn't permit you to circumvent the rules and be a dick on the Rift.
  • The 'he started it!' argument loses traction after kindergarten.
  • Hate speech isn't tolerated in any form in chat
  • No one is responsible for and in control of your actions other than you
Dominick Destine2 votes

{quoted}

  • Hate speech isn't tolerated in any form in chat

False.

I tell dirty jokes all the time in-game/in all-chat and I have not been punished. Suck it, Political Correctness.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-09T22:22:21.982+0000)

False.

I tell dirty jokes all the time in-game/in all-chat and I have not been punished. Suck it, Political Correctness.

When you learn what Hate Speech is, let us know.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Dominick Destine2 votes

{quoted}

what Hate Speech

Did I hit a nerve? you can get mad all you want but it will not stop comedy.

Comedy > Your political correctness. Whether it's a joke about race, women, hitler, batman/robin (Ambiguously gay duo) or anything along those lines, I have (luckily) not been punished.

Get rock'd

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-09T22:26:39.335+0000)

Did I hit a nerve? you can get mad all you want but it will not stop comedy.

Comedy > Your political correctness. Whether it's a joke about race, women, hitler, batman/robin (Ambiguously gay duo) or anything along those lines, I have (luckily) not been punished.

Get rock'd

Why would you being uneducated hit anyone's nerves? LOL

Get school'd.

Dominick Destine2 votes

{quoted}

Why would you being uneducated

Ohhh the quick ad hominem, looks like I did hit a nerve.

Your ultra political correctness is something that people laugh at, rightly so, gg'd.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-09T22:38:46.988+0000)

Ohhh the quick ad hominem, looks like I did hit a nerve.

Your ultra political correctness is something that people laugh at, rightly so, gg'd.

Judging by your QQ thread and replies - the only one who's nerves got hit are yours.

Enjoy the perma ban Chumpzilla!

Dominick Destine2 votes

{quoted}

Enjoy the perma ban Chumpzilla!

I am not banned, my account is fine thanks.

But stay mad, Mr. Political Correctness.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-09T22:43:44.126+0000) But stay mad, Mr. Political Correctness.

Stay bad, Mr. Uneducated.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

OlafRagnarson2 votes

Sorry, but you are wrong. Here is why:

People talk in a way that is purposely belittling with he intention of getting on you nerves. They don't use "wrong" language, but they try to get under your skin.

According to you we have to put up with because if we defend ourselves the way we would do in real life lets say, as in telling them to eat a bag of dicks, we are the ones that get in trouble.

You are just perpetuating the passive, victim mentality that this country now was were everyone is looking for a ways to be offended.

Get over your political correctness bs and grow a pair.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

{quoted} According to you we have to put up with because if we defend ourselves the way we would do in real life lets say, as in telling them to eat a bag of dicks, we are the ones that get in trouble.

You are just perpetuating the passive, victim mentality that this country now was were everyone is looking for a ways to be offended.

Get over your political correctness bs and grow a pair.

You choose to put up with it and to escalate a shitty situation, and you achieve nothing but stroking your own e-peen.

You are perpetuating the knuckle dragging, neanderthal mentality that humanity is trying to shed in order to progress.

Grow up.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

i am grown up. I dont want players banned just because they talk shit to me or anyone else. Get a life.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

{quoted}

i am grown up. I dont want players banned just because they talk shit to me or anyone else. Get a life.

Don't act 12 and you won't get banned.

Grow up.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Yeah you already used that line. Try again.

Troll for Trump1 votes

"The 'he started it!' argument loses traction after kindergarten." No. It really doesn't.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

{quoted}

"The 'he started it!' argument loses traction after kindergarten." No. It really doesn't.

Yes. It really does.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

No it doesn't

Troll for Trump1 votes

No... it doesn't.

Also forum arguing in a nutshell: "yes" "no". Yeah I should probably put in my reasoning..

shyv7 votes

if you tell racist "jokes" irl getting your video game taken away is going to be the least of your problems lmao. if you ever get beat for that can u take a vid and send it to me?

Colgate Gator5 votes

{quoted}

Should Riot really ban peoples accounts they put so much money into just because they said a racist joke or was tilted enough to trash talk?

Yeh.

the irony in this thread is that you're just another example that the system is working as intended.

Tract3 votes

There is never an excuse to be toxic, not even in retaliation. If your being tilted, dont talk, maybe sit down and try to calm down instaid of just starting at your screen when dead, especially if your being flamed alot.

Makior723 votes

Could of sworn tribunal hasnt been active for over a year now...

Samus721 votes

{quoted}

Could of sworn tribunal hasnt been active for over a year now...

My thoughts exactly.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

They are planning on bringing it back. After the new Champion select is finished of course. ETA: Soon™

Samus721 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-01-09T23:57:27.373+0000)

They are planning on bringing it back. After the new Champion select is finished of course. ETA: Soon™

That's the word, yes.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

I remember seeing Wuks saying that is the plan, though I can't seem to find that comment right now, nor am I willing to go digging through loads of comments and threads either. Might take a long time.

Getting the new Champion select to work functionally and in all regions does make sense as a higher priority since its really going to change draft mode drastically for both normal and ranked, and hopefully for the better as well.

I'm also curious about if the Automated system will still be in place, but the Tribunal might be used for hard to tell cases(?)... We shall find out one it does come back. Though I was never around for the Tribunal in the first place either.

Samus721 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-10T00:09:47.864+0000)

I remember seeing Wuks saying that is the plan, though I can't seem to find that comment right now, nor am I willing to go digging through loads of comments and threads either. Might take a long time.

Getting the new Champion select to work functionally and in all regions does make sense as a higher priority since its really going to change draft mode drastically for both normal and ranked, and hopefully for the better as well.

I'm also curious about if the Automated system will still be in place, but the Tribunal might be used for hard to tell cases(?)... We shall find out one it does come back. Though I was never around for the Tribunal in the first place either.

Both the Arbiters and Riot have said they plan to look at the Tribunal again after the hero select is done (I don't see anything wrong with the hero select now. But like McCoy said "I know engineers (programmers.) They love to change things."

Sometimes, I wonder if the Tribunal's day is over. Some of Riot's comments could be interpreted that they took all the information from the Tribunal and are using that info to build a better automated system which would eliminate the need for any kind of Tribunal. And possibly even less oversight from the developers in regards to bad behavior. Why hire a human to examine things when the computer can do it for you and doesn't need money? It's a dangerous trend that is happening in all parts of society today. Technology is making the human obsolete. It's amusing and scary at the same time. Especially when you look at population numbers exploding they way they are.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

I heard the old Tribunal was done by players since the old Tribunal is what was the bases(?) for what is now the Automated system detects to be flagged as toxic. This is just what my limited knowledge is.

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-10T03:31:57.987+0000)

I heard the old Tribunal was done by players since the old Tribunal is what was the bases(?) for what is now the Automated system detects to be flagged as toxic. This is just what my limited knowledge is.

Yes, when the Tribunal was still up it was the community that voted on which cases that they felt should be punished or pardoned, but the decision to punish was (and still is to this day) always decided by Riot.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Oh cool! Thanks for the info!

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=y20MveyE,comment-id=000600000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-10T04:50:26.046+0000)

Oh cool! Thanks for the info!

Hey you're welcome, glad to help.

Awkward Couch3 votes

It's been more like 2 years.

Çhåryzård1 votes

I've already gotten 2 messages after I've reported someone saying that they have been punished so idk

Çhåryzård2 votes

Just because YOU are fine with being racist doesn't mean others are. Sorry, but you cant say mean/racist things and then say "well people shouldn't get offended, they need to get used to it". Doesn't work that way.

Tbh if you got banned for doing what you said in your comment, the tribunal is working just fine. Enjoy your ban, keep whining on the forums.

I DO SQUATS2 votes

lol the comments in this discussion proves riot was right to ban him. Might want to look back and understand your mistakes so you can make the proper changes.

ModPrandine2 votes
  1. The Tribunal has been down for over 2 years. Riot has been handling cases themselves ever since then, and they are far more strict than the Tribunal ever was. 2: People can report you for anything, but if you're not doing anything wrong then you won't be punished-they will for false reporting you. 3: As far as Dunkey goes, Lyte explained it in an ask.fm post over 4 months ago.

**What do you think about vgdunkey's ban? **

It's really unfortunate. Many Rioters love Dunkey's content, and I've unloaded my share of "Not even close babyyyyy" jokes around the office; however, we really can't show favoritism to someone just because they are a pro or a known content creator. This isn't really a debate about whether trashtalking is OK or not OK in games; we've talked a lot in the past about how we're OK with players bantering with their friends but you should be careful when interacting with strangers who may not understand your intentions--especially if you're using hate speech or slurs. We have a zero tolerance policy against hate speech, racism, homophobia, and sexism and that policy stands whether you're a random player, a pro player, or a Youtube celebrity.

This also really wasn't a case about intentional feeders and whether it's OK to be toxic towards other toxic players--there wasn't even a Malphite in the game that got him banned and either way, retaliation just isn't OK because it makes the experience worse for everyone else in the game.

We know that players have been asking us to be more aggressive against intentional feeders for awhile, and it has taken us a bit longer than we'd like. We do consider gameplay toxicity just as serious as verbal toxicity, and are launching a new Intentional Feeder Detection system in 5.18 that can ban feeders within 15 minutes of matches. We're starting with conservative settings to make sure the system would not ban players for having the rare bad game, even if it was a 0-10 type of bad game but this is a great first step to aggressively tackling intentional feeders.

At the end of the day, this incident sucks for everyone. We respect that Dunkey hasn't posted his Reform Card, and I'm not going to post it either. Best wishes to him in the future.

4: Riot has stated many times that retaliation is never okay, as when you retaliate you force the up to 8 other players to deal with 2 raging jerks: the original and you. From the Tribunal FAQ:

That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? I'll keep this one simple: those other players in your game that you thought were worse are probably also banned. Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on.

We strongly believe that it is not OK to retaliate. If a player refuses to cooperate and says something negative, then players should ignore the player and report them after the game. Players can ignore or mute players by pressing the “Mute” button on the Scoreboard [when you hit TAB] in the game.

If a player retaliates and says something bad back, then the two of you have made a negative experience for potentially the other 8 players in the game. Rarely do teams start working together better when players begin fighting back—great games only happen when players cooperate and don’t make the issues even worse by fighting back and forth.

5: There's trash talking and then there's being a verbally abusive jerk. There's a point where it gets to it's limits, and that's the point where you need to just stop. From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

Trash talk is part of all competitive sports. It happens all the time in the pros.

Yes and no. Yes, trash talk occurs, but it has definite limits. Most of the things that are punished in game (racial, ethnic and homophobic slurs, sexism, etc.) would also earn you a hefty fine in professional sports.

A Tumblr List of NBA Fines (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/) (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.)

A List of NFL Fines for Taunting (http://www.spotrac.com/fines-tracker/nfl/all-years/fines/taunting/)

NBC Article on Fines Agreed to by the NFLPA (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/bizarrely-specific-nfl-fines-come-from-agreed-league-union-schedule/) "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500."

NHL Office of Player Safety (http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/playersafety) Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing.

... and the grand finale! Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments.

Also from Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)): Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as “Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

EDITED 18 JULY 2014

From the Tribunal FAQ:

What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

Also, the reason that you got permabanned was because you were warned at least 3 times to change your behavior and you ignored them. Because you had already received a 2-week ban, the next step up was a permaban. If you post your reform card then we can try to help you understand where you went wrong and how you can improve for the future, but otherwise just don't go out of your way to continuously be a jerk to people and you won't get in trouble for doing so.

Dominick Destine1 votes

I've said many racist jokes in game and I have not been banned or even chat restricted in a VERY long time.

You had to have been a colossal 'jerk' to have been permabanned.

Hunts and Dips2 votes

Pics or it didn't happen

a Friendly Troll1 votes

I was perma banned also. I wasn't toxic, but I was replying to toxic people in the same toxic way cause it would piss me off.

I'm sure those jerks are still out there, while I remain banned because I am too foolish to just mute them and end up replying and making the situation worse.

FYI I've spent thousands of dollars on this account. Tough luck.

l DasALI3N l1 votes

You see what i mean lol same happen to me, imma just buy an account and play again.

DrCyanide3 votes

I was replying to toxic people in the same toxic way

Think that through. If you got banned for saying what they said, as often as they said it, then they're also banned.

HEAljvLykd1 votes

hahahahahahhahahahaha

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