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Honor needs a drastic overhaul. Riot can do better.

Veralion·8/27/2018, 9:27:11 AM·21 votes·9,448 views

The system needs to be more reactive to give you a more real-time assessment of your behavior. Why don't we make every valid report tank your honor progress immediately, set you back a checkpoint, and have low honor ranks auto-chat restrict? This way people aren't taken completely by surprise when 3 games build up and they're nuked down all the way to honor 1 or 0, which feels terrible and is not deserved if they are a generally positive person who just had a bad day. Everyone makes mistakes, and the system needs to be more tolerant and merciful of good people who slip up. Then if you tank your honor to zero and into negatives, you start handing out bans. Right now Honor is not a measure of how positive a player you are, but is merely a measure of how long it has been since you have been punished. It's all based on time, not how many games you make awesome like it should be. Someone could be ten times as positive as you, play ten times the games you do, make ten times as positive of an impact on the game, and you'd level up at approximately the same rate. It's a very low resolution, overly simplistic system that is too obscure to incentivize climbing and effort, as well as too stingy with its rewards to justify that effort. Look at all the free shit HotS gives away. Riot could stand to do better than key fragments.

I don't think anything of honor 5 flairs in pregame, and it seems like most of the time they are passive aggressive assholes who just know exactly what they can get away with. IFS is ineffective at reducing toxicity so long as the offending player knows how to game the system. Such a player often is able to bait a response from people who aren't so careful, and is able to bait people into suicide without any repercussions. Context doesn't matter, which isn't justice. We have different punishments for first and second degree murder for a reason. Same outcome, but we consider one to be worse than the other. Likewise, defending yourself against a passive aggressive asshole should levy a much more lenient penalty than calling someone a down syndrome scumfuck autistic retard for dying twice in lane.

27 Comments

Umbral Regent8/27/2018, 4:10:59 PM9 votes

The Honor System should not be a safeguard against the punishment system. It's one thing to say "we need more clarity on when we're stepping over the line before a punishment", but you're proposing that the Honor System protects players against punishment. That's a no-go.

Someone could be ten times as positive as you, play ten times the games you do, make ten times as positive of an impact on the game, and you'd level up at approximately the same rate.

That's tuning so that infrequent players aren't just shit out of luck compared to people with a lot of free time. The folks with real-world obligations or other hobbies besides League should be able to get Honor progress and rewards - and that's how the system is designed.

Look at all the free shit HotS gives away.

And look at all the other IP's and games Blizzard has to stand on for profit and income. Diablo, Overwatch, World of Warcraft, Starcraft - they have plenty of sources of genuine income that they can stand to throw a bunch of free shit at players through loot boxes. Which, hey, would you look at that...You can also buy loot boxes.

On top of that, Heroes of the Storm pelts players with more recolors than actual unique skins most of the time. League has quality over quantity - Heroes has quantity over quality.

In other words; HotS isn't a good argument.

Riot could stand to do better than key fragments.

Like, what? Ward skins? Skin shards? Exclusive Epic skins?

...Oh, wait, they do have those. Huh.

They already do do better than just key fragments, so unless you have a good suggestion that doesn't give too much free shit, that argument isn't really worth much.

CharDeeMcDenniz8/27/2018, 9:34:23 AM8 votes

it blows me away how many people come here EVERY DAY and bend over backwards trying to rationalize and justify being a complete dbag to strangers over the results of a video game

Subdue8/27/2018, 5:28:02 PM6 votes

It's not supposed to incentivize climbing. You don't "climb" honor. You play the game while meeting the very low threshold of not being an asshole and honor is the byproduct.
An occasional "Bad day" does not get you penalized, unless your "Bad day" extends beyond gameplay related commentary and into hate language, threatening language, or suggestions of self harm.
IFS is a learning system. It searches for patterns across what gets reported to understand what the community views as abuse or harassment and uses that information to judge future results. This is why the standard for acceptable behavior varies across regions. Behavior that is considered acceptable by the community in one area may not be in another. This also means that the best defense against players trying to bait other players into breaking the rules is to report those players. Of course if some asshole is just reporting people for the hell of it when there's no actual behavior they deem unacceptable, they're basically just wasting their opportunity to participate in the shaping of the system to what they believe is acceptable.

OnlyMostlyTrash8/27/2018, 7:06:02 PM4 votes

I see this kind of argument a lot, and it pretty much translates to this:

"I have absolutely no self control or will power to control my own actions.

Someone else made a sarcastic comment or mild critique of me which completely justifies me devolving into a toxic degenerate.

Obviously I'm too awesome to be responsible for my own actions, so I demand riot rebuild the entire system, that only toxic people are complaining about, to suit my desires."

Seriously, if you're that mentally/ emotionally unstable that you can't mute all instead of being a problem, I would recommend you start playing solitaire instead.

mlm olo mlm8/27/2018, 3:21:49 PM4 votes

Basically, you are describing changing the entire player behavior system.

We can't even get honor opponent button in post game. I think you are wasting good ideas on stubborn company. Good luck.

Marothennan8/27/2018, 7:51:17 PM2 votes

I think you are overestimating Riot

MatijaVojnic8/27/2018, 9:34:26 AM2 votes

right*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

SGT Reckless8/27/2018, 7:55:19 PM2 votes

It's easy to deal with passive aggressive behavior in game. There's a feature now where you can mute players entirely. Or just don't answer at all, report if needed at the end. There is no rule that says you have to respond to every message that comes through, or respond at all. It's so easy to not get banned or otherwise disciplined for behavior.

Aneirin8/27/2018, 11:17:58 PM2 votes

defending yourself against a passive aggressive asshole should levy a much more lenient penalty

There's no penalty for muting people.

Rant Away8/28/2018, 12:07:39 AM2 votes

Requiring honor to receive end of season rewards is garbo.

TissTheKip8/27/2018, 8:58:57 PM1 votes

It's not as simple as just muting everybody there are people that get mad and rage over your actions of what you're doing or what you are not doing and then that reflects on their gameplay .they don't help they don't do objectives they just stay in the jungle they try to take your CS they focus the wrong target purposely they don't how beniche eate on fights properly. And it's frustrating j'n that accumulates from game after game after game after game you shouldn't have to mute everybody in such a large community where it's nice to meet people have acquaintances that you can have a group of 5 with .it shouldn't just be your real world friends that you should only worry about playing with there could be 3 toxic people in one game and there could be 1 awesome person but you never get to game with that person and know them because you have to mute everybody from the start.

Phoenixdust8/28/2018, 11:38:14 AM1 votes

"and is able to bait people into suicide without any repercussions." - Show me ONE case, when this happened. There are a lot of commenters here, who go around saying that people are killing themself over LoL, but i've never seen a case when somebody killed himself just because somebody on LoL told him so. Please stop this fearmongering, or show us articles!