PROOF that riot employees ban without providing clear evidence/certainty of an infraction

En Taro Yasuo·9/20/2018, 5:09:08 AM·2 votes·6,034 views
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Alright, so I was banned for 14 days for intentional feeding a couple hours ago. So I made a ticket regarding my ban. Because I did not intentionally feed. And then I went into a heated argument with the Riot support employees who REFUSED to tell me how they came to the conclusion that I was "intentionally" feeding as opposed to just doing poorly. ** Not only that but they even threatened me with a live chat ban and then eventually disconnected me from the chat after I asked them multiple times how they came to the conclusion that I was intentionally feeding. Not to mention one of the reps even stated out right that they no would not provide the information. That same rep said _"We actually can't go very far into our detection methods - we used to be more transparent about this kind of thing but that was used by players acting in bad faith to subvert them"**_

Now I understand that finding out Riot detection methods in hopes to avoid them in the future thus not telling players how they detect infractions is one thing but refusing to tell a player how they came to the conclusion as to whether the player had "intentionally" fed as opposed to just playing poorly is down right horseshit. Their is no way they can with 100% certainty state a player was feeding on purpose rather than actually just being poor at the game UNLESS the player outright states "I am feeding". Which I did not state.

I did however state "Steal my role ill steal your game easy" and "The best way to deal with trolls is to make sure the game is over quick". Which by the way does not indicate that a person is intentionally feeding. Someone could just as easily mean steal your game to be interpreted as steal your glory or win the game quick so its over quick to avoid a long aggravating game.

Fortunately I screen capped the entire live chat from each of the 3 reps.

Game context: I queued up for ranked, got my main role jungle. Now during pre-game they were swapping roles and I was not a part of the swap so I didn't bother to pay much attention, but then when I got in game I saw that we had a amumu (who was originally top) with smite (I was playing jax jg). I immediately asked him what was going on, and he went on to say that he was jungle. I informed him that I did not switch my role and he didn't bother to care and started screaming "I'm jungle fuck you" Then he steals my red at the start when Im being leashed and starts doing camps (btw this amumu was part of a duo with a rakan support who was encouraging the amumu) So I just played out the game but I was doing poorly (for obvious reasons), and then eventually our adc rage quits and then our mid lane leaves lane to open mid. At this point I was the only one actually playing (was doing poorly though not going to lie there, my kda was horrid) But not once did I go out and intentionally feed. Once the game was over I left and came back after a while and got on and was banned.

Live chat context: Since there is a lot of text to go through, I will try to condense some of it for you. I got on live chat with the first rep, initially she stated that my in-game texts indicated that I had the intent to feed (My chats that she is referring to are all displayed in the pics and on here). However I informed her that the texts cannot be interpreted as negative as they were too convoluted. Then she went to state other than my kda and my texts, that my actions also were indicative of "intentional" feeding so I asked her how she came to that conclusion and how she can tell when a person is "intentionally" feeding as opposed to just being bad, she dodged the question dozens of times then just out right left without disconnecting chat hopping that I would leave.

I waited a while then she disconnected knowing I would not leave without an answer. Then the next guy tries to dodge the question by stating that the last rep answered all my questions. I told him she did not. Then he states that "We actually can't go very far into our detection methods - we used to be more transparent about this kind of thing but that was used by players acting in bad faith to subvert them". Which is fine, however I asked him how he came to the conclusion that I was "intentionally" feeding after he stated they reviewed the replays, to which he refuses to reply to and then threatens me with a week long live chat ban then leaves chat.

Then the third rep just regurgitates what the first two said in a couple of few messages and disconnects me from chat entirely.

Like wtf is this horseshit. They cannot say with 100% certainty that it was "intentional" feed and just go ahead and ban people then after they refuse to tell players how they came to that conclusion? And then to shove the ban down our throats. Rigged ass system. Also keep in mind that this was ONE GAME. I've seen people on here go 0-15-0 pr 0-20-0 for dozens of fucking games and not get penalized once. Yet here I come and do bad one game then boom ban and if I try to challenge that ban then threaten with more bans. Abuse of fucking power much.

All the while the fucking two duo kids that trolled the game are going on with trolling future fucking games. While people who literally have done nothing wrong are caught up dealing with the aftermath of this bullshit.

40 Comments

ModUlanopo9/20/2018, 5:23:19 AM11 votes

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The support person literally told you they watched the match.

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Maybe it's just me, but that looks a lot like just running it into the enemy team.

AeroWaffle9/20/2018, 5:35:05 AM6 votes

After watching the game, I too believe that you were intentionally feeding in that game.

You talk a lot about not being able to say with "100% certainty" and that's true. 100% certainty is not required though, otherwise no one would be banned for intentionally feeding since it's technically impossible for Riot to know the person's intent without being that person.

But there's a thing called reasonable doubt and that game doesn't have it. No amount of claiming you had lag is going to convince me that you didn't intentionally run into each of those lanes, over and over, dying under each enemy tower.

Imperial Pandaa9/20/2018, 5:52:45 AM6 votes

Should be noted that ban cards with the intentional feeding title, also includes things such as griefing. In another case, I watched the match and the banned player never used their ultimate.

YerroFever9/21/2018, 5:50:40 AM3 votes

You asking how they detected you trying to ruin games looks like "hey, can you tell me how to circumvent your punishment system and intentionally ruin games without getting punished again?"

Voldymort9/20/2018, 5:27:24 AM3 votes

14 deaths in 15 minutes and you claim "i wasn't inting"?

please...

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

MrSinisterion9/20/2018, 6:38:21 PM3 votes

Just watched the game. Idiot.... You inted every possible way and worst of all; you are raging and whining because they banned you for that int of the ages game. You are like a 5year old boy who denies eating the cookies while he has cookies in his mouth, cookie jar in his hands, cookies all around him on the floor, brother capturing him doing the deed on camera while dad saw it all happening lmao. You are that boy . I would've perma banned you after all that rage you vented on the Riot Support employees . 14 Days is too short for a guy like you!

Subdue9/20/2018, 5:12:41 AM2 votes

Playing poorly isn't penalized, but you'll have a tough time convincing anyone that you were just playing poorly if you "play poorly" AND admit to intentionally losing the game.

Mc Truck9/20/2018, 6:01:24 AM2 votes

Dear mr. Jax, why don't you share the replay with us?

Because you were manually reviewed, said very weird phrase about "stealing your game" and the jury here is [slayer-jinx-unamused] [zombie-brand-clap] [sg-janna] [sg-lux-2] Not convinced by your bullshit.

Cravin Ur Cheeks9/20/2018, 9:05:46 AM2 votes

when you try to look smart, then people watch your gameplay as you actually intentionally feed and run it down lane. idiot.

Eleshakai9/20/2018, 3:17:02 PM2 votes

It's normal for a disciplinary team to not disclose their methods. As they said, making the methods known makes it easy for people to get around them.

Also: Even stating "I am feeding" does not necessarily mean you are. I played one game where the team only had one death, and we all poked fun at him for having 100% of our deaths, and he commented "Ya, I'm feeding. Watch me go" - of course, all in jest... but...

You can never KNOW with 100% certainty someone is feeding. But there comes a point where it's the only reasonable conclusion to draw. Your game is past that point. There is no other logical explanation for the way your deaths happened.

Colgate Gator9/20/2018, 6:55:34 PM2 votes

So you're claiming they cannot punish you for intentionally feeding after checking it with their server's data just because you won't admit it?

Checks out.

PurpleYukari9/20/2018, 9:04:40 PM2 votes

I would say that this is PROOF that riot employees ban only when there is clear evidence/certainty of an infraction. Also an example of a Riot Employee TRIPLE smite (I haven't seen someone post their smite from support), with delicious chatlogs and game evidence watched by forum posters and the riot employees and the OP digging himself further into his own grave every time he refuses to respect the smite.

MrFawknSunshine9/20/2018, 11:15:06 PM2 votes

ok so apparently you and amumu both have smite i dont know who was assigned to jungle he took red, as soon as he did this you legit ran it down mid. you didnt even try to farm either 4 cs in 15 mins. just admit you did it.

you were intentionally feeding. mad cuz of amumu. you deserve your punishment.

Kareshi9/20/2018, 3:13:31 PM1 votes

LMFAO rest in peace nub, , you should remember now dont USE THE chat at all after the 14 day ban, Just disable it, and mute everyone, dont even risk it. If you truly dont want to end up with a perma just DO NOT USE CHAT, cause no matter what you type even if its not toxic at all, the moment you type more than 7 lines of texts you are an easy perma target. DO N O T U S E C H A T A T A L L

and also I love this, that was Very very entertaining, ty hamster <3

EDIT: i just saw the game to, LOL!!!!!!!!!! BRUH youre such a goof it was soo obvious " oh my ping was high" yeah um if thats the case why dint u ping that in chat, and how is it everytime you spawn you move right away and go to lane"

lmao!!

i cant wait to see part 2 when you come back to cry about a perma

Telephone Booth9/20/2018, 11:42:06 PM1 votes

Sure saying that and playing well is one thing. But saying that and then appearing to feed on purpose is a pretty fucking easy decision. Stop playing dumb. You know what you did.

Yatol9/20/2018, 10:26:31 AM1 votes

you were runing down every lane at level 1 chasing them down past tower's (guaranteeing your death), pretty much feeding the enemy team. Then you hang around at base doing nothing for long time. Then you start jumping the enemy at low level with zero caution. During the whole game, you bought nothing but the initial jungle item.

Mc Truck9/20/2018, 8:08:15 AM1 votes

Okay, since we lost OP, let's discuss why is he not permabanned and got just two weeks?