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Imaqtpie/IWDominate pulling a Tyler1

The KDA··13 votes·5,470 views

around 12 minutes in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUlrLOpw6M

both imaqtpie and IWDominate "run it down mid" for "tyler1". I'm a fan of both these former pro players and it was shocking to see someone mimick the behavior of tyler1, a player that is permanently banned by RIOT. I understand that ezreal is trolling (but will go unpunished cause RIOT is bad at detecting intentional trolling) and making it miserable for imaqtpie but I also thought Riot doesn't condone "tit for tat" behavior. Considering that Ahri wanted to play cause she was in her promos, Riot policies will clearly indicate that the other players should be trying to win as well and yet all the "support" ezreal is trolling, the jungler and adc is inting down mid.

I really couldn't care how much imaqtpie and IWdominate run it down mid cause im a fan of their videos but when IWdominate posts a video publicly where they int while ezreal is trolling and NO ONE gets punished, it makes me lose faith of this riot justice system. It's basically letting toxic people know that they can run it down mid once in a while without getting any punishment.

What do other people think of this video? How can anyone have faith in riot dishing out correct bans when you see people streaming videos of a trolling support and two people feeding down mid lane?

69 Comments

EndlessSorcerer11 votes

You have to factor in the frequency of negative behaviour when evaluating these situations.

While this is negative behaviour from imaqtpie and IWDominate, they have fairly clean records and a long history of positive (or at the very least, neutral) behaviour behind them to mitigate it. So long as they don't behave as such on anything resembling a consistent basis, then there is no true reason to punish them.

Tyler1 was consistent enough to get ~18 accounts permanently banned. He had a long, long history of consistently negative and toxic behaviour behind him for every one of those bans which is enough to require a more severe response.

Should they have behaved as such? No.

Does a single isolated instance of negative behaviour mean they should suffer a similar punishment as Tyler1? Also no.

The KDA5 votes

"So long as they don't behave as such on anything resembling a consistent basis"

you aren't thinking this through. if they can do it, why can't all the other summoners with neutral or good standing accounts run it down mid once in a while? The answer is you SHOULDN'T be able to since that will have DISASTROUS consequences. if every single good/neutral summoner did that, the frequency of tyler1s per game would be enormous.

and what happens to the other players that were in that game? They start to think that its ok to do that because those good standing accounts that feed once in a while aren't being punished.

p.s I never said qtpie should get perma banned. I'm saying he won't get any form of punishment because even dom and qtpie know that riot won't do anything.

elduris5 votes

Fair warning: I did not watch the video.

[{quoted}](name=The KDA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xUHKv7ri,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-08-31T17:12:05.156+0000) you aren't thinking this through. if they can do it, why can't all the other summoners with neutral or good standing accounts run it down mid once in a while?

I mean, you can, but as you said, you shouldn't. You get punished for engaging in negative activity on a consistent basis, not for "running it down mid" one game. If they continue this behavior, I'm sure they'd be punished.

Your bit at the end about pro players not being punished however is completely wrong and takes away from other points you're trying to make. Pro players get punished for their behavior out of game as well, look at Jensen and Svenskeren. There's a lot of documentation on this so it'd be wise to review some cases before making such an egregious claim.

The KDA3 votes

{quoted}

Fair warning: I did not watch the video.

I mean, you can, but as you said, you shouldn't. You get punished for engaging in negative activity on a consistent basis, not for "running it down mid" one game. If they continue this behavior, I'm sure they'd be punished.

Your bit at the end about pro players not being punished however is completely wrong and takes away from other points you're trying to make. Pro players get punished for their behavior out of game as well, look at Jensen and Svenskeren. There's a lot of documentation on this so it'd be wise to review some cases before making such an egregious claim.

I never said pro players dont get banned. please don't stray from the subject cause I can also cite examples of pro players going unpunished for behavour out of game. Look at doublelift calling opponents trash during interviews or deficio saying "fuck you bjergsen" and than getting hired by riot as a commentator. It would be wise to stay on point about the video, what the correct course of action riot should take, and what that action would imply before making irrelevant off topic claims.

DeathBurst4 votes

Well, don't ignore the first half of his answer that IS relevant to your topic, then?

And you did say: "he won't get any form of punishment because even dom and qtpie know that riot won't do anything", which can be fairly described by "pro-players not being punished".

elduris3 votes

Yeah Dom and QT are both former pros, now they're focusing on streaming and youtube. But that's how I interpreted the comment. Unless they meant "riot wont do anything because riot never does anything ever" in which case, well I mean Tyler1 was banned right?

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Roughly 18 times.

Toplane Fencer1 votes

LOL no one gets banned for trash talking. Not that I support it, but it really isn't a big deal. I also don't htink that intentionally feeding 1 kill on purpose in 1 game that was already being closed out warrants any kind of punishment.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Also important to note that IWillDominate was actually banned from pro play for a while due to his behavior. So pro players definetly get punished

xevi1 votes

Just going to reply here and start a chain.

While yes they shouldn't have done this, and no neutral/good standing accounts should run it down mid every once in a while, they also had a trolling ezreal (as you had mentioned). For most of the game they played it whilst ignoring the troll, in the end where they run it down mid; it is just trying to make some fun out of very unfun (getting trolled by your teammates) situation. While I don't condone this behavior, I won't say that they shouldget punished if they were too. Imagine if Tyler1 was in your game and he started stacking tears after first blood. Obviously, most people still play and report after. But what's the harm in trying to recklessly have fun in a game once nearly all your towers are down, and you're getting trolled the shit out of you?

The KDA1 votes

the harm is for players like ahri who are trying to win. This is why riot says you have to play (even though i think its clear that it was a losing game). its ridiculous but if thats riot policy than they are in the wrong.

DeathBurst1 votes

1/ There isn't really any harm caused by QTP to Ahri, since the game was clearly lost already. Doesn't mean his behavior was right, but it was essentially without consequence, I agree with Toastay on that point. 2/ Riot doesn't condone this behavior either, yes they say you have to play, and yes you should, and no it's not ridiculous. And no, they aren't in the wrong either (assuming "they" refer to Riot, your sentence isn't clear). It's just that they have difficulties detecting this kind of behavior, and people don't get punished for just one game.

DeathBurst1 votes

you aren't thinking this through. if they can do it, why can't all the other summoners with neutral or good standing accounts run it down mid once in a while?

Yes, basically, every good standing account has a free card for "running it down mid" once in a while. Now, YOU think this through. Why someone who has a good standing account, that is to say, someone who is not a troll or intentionally toxic, would do that? They have no good reason or incentive to do it, and they won't do it. So stop panicking about the "DISASTROUS consequences"...

The KDA1 votes

"Why someone who has a good standing account, that is to say, someone who is not a troll or intentionally toxic, would do that"

i just posted a video showcasing why people would and did that. are you thick?

its not about whether people WOULD do it or not. thats not how rule making and logic goes. can ghandi kill a person once in a while because he is in good standing with the law? no of course not. Being "good standing" doesn't exempt you from anything in the real world. Think it through please

jjdietplan1 votes

Should they have behaved as such? No.

gg idiot.

HuntTheCünt4 votes

What a rat.

The KDA2 votes

me? this video is published publicly. IWDominate posted this video for everyone to see. Pretty sure a youtuber wants his videos to be seen don't they?

EboybiterKDA3 votes

{quoted}

What a rat.

do you even know what "rat" means? its not ratting when the guy doing the action is telling the world he is doing it. what an idiot.

HuntTheCünt1 votes

{quoted}

do you even know what "rat" means? its not ratting when the guy doing the action is telling the world he is doing it. what an idiot.

??? I'll present another situation. You have a picture with a joint. Your (now rat) friend shows it to ur parents. What a stupid rat.

The KDA1 votes

thats not the same situation is it.

he is posting it on youtube, a public platform where his goal is to get views. He wants people to see his video.

is that really the same situation?

think please.

HuntTheCünt1 votes

I meant as this picture was posted on facebook or other social media. then its the same thing.

jjdietplan1 votes

{quoted}

??? I'll present another situation. You have a picture with a joint. Your (now rat) friend shows it to ur parents. What a stupid rat.

great irrelevant example idiot. how dumb are you?

HuntTheCünt1 votes

Tell me where this is different lmao. Riot doesn't look at streamer highlights or whatever they post on youtube, unless someone tells them to. You all take this so fucking seriously

Fuh Queue4 votes

I think you take the actions of a video game WAY too seriously.

The KDA2 votes

way too seriously? im casually commenting on someones elses actions. I think you are being way too sensitive. anyways, it sounds like you are ok with people running it down mid and choosing troll ezreal supports that steal cs?

Itankyou1 votes

I'm personally ok with these behaviours. They aren't against the rules so it's fine, atleast Imaqtpie doesn't tell people to jump in front of cars and shit like Tyler

The KDA1 votes

im personally fine with it too. I however wouldn't be fine if EVERYONE did that. I can get over a troll game, but if every other game has a support trying to troll and two players running it mid, I'd stop playing ranked all together.

Itankyou1 votes

I however wouldn't be fine if EVERYONE did that

News flash, everyone is doing it, it's actually damaging the game and I have stopped playing rank all together. This game is trash.

HuntTheCünt1 votes

{quoted}

News flash, everyone is doing it, it's actually damaging the game and I have stopped playing rank all together. This game is trash.

But its stil fun to chat on the forums right?

Itankyou1 votes

Basically.

Toplane Fencer2 votes

Everyone's doing it? That's news, haven't experienced it in over 700 games.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I think I ran into a support Vel'koz who did it last season.

They suicided a few times in mid and top lane after their ADC died twice early-game (due to a disconnect and a three-man dive).

Thankfully, everyone on my team just ignored the Vel'koz and didn't comment on it, so they just got bored and stopped. We ended up winning that game rather heavily.

Itankyou1 votes

I'm so excited to hear your priveledge. White people.

Toplane Fencer2 votes

I'm not ok with a troll ezreal pick. I'm perfectly fine with qtpie and IWD running down mid in a game that's already lost.

Itankyou1 votes

That's why this game is shit

Fuh Queue1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The KDA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xUHKv7ri,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-08-31T16:37:50.658+0000)

way too seriously? im casually commenting on someones elses actions. I think you are being way too sensitive. anyways, it sounds like you are ok with people running it down mid and choosing troll ezreal supports that steal cs?

Sensitive? Nah. I don't really understand why people take this game so seriously. I'm surrounded by a bunch of silver players (like myself) that call each other trash as if they've never had a bad game. I'm not saying running it down mid is okay, but it's not worth mentioning because it's going to happen regardless. You lose games because of trolls and you win games because of trolls, it evens out eventually. People take this video game so seriously sometimes and it's absolutely hilarious.

PayaThePapaya4 votes

Tyler1 is a notoriously toxic player. Imaqtpie is in general a nice guy with probably a fairly clean record. One troll game is not going to get him banned. The banning system does not suspend people based on one isolated incident

EboybiterKDA2 votes

lol. you've basically just given every "clean" player a free card to go and int feed for one game.

how dumb are you?

you really think that is Riots policy? When Riot has clearly written that severe toxicity will get you chat banned even off one incident? why are you talking out of your ass?

like imagine if you justice and law system worked like that. "Oh he gives to charity and is a sweet person. This one isolated incident of rape will be unpunished".

what a dummy. Please use your brain before talking and think about the implications of what you are suggesting. You are implying that people can int feed once in a blue moon.

PayaThePapaya1 votes

I'm not saying that's the ideal system but I guarantee to you that if I went into a game right now and ran down mid lane all game feeding, I wouldn't get suspended, let alone banned. This is not my words this is Riot stating that one troll game will not get you banned. I have not expressed any personal opinion on the matter I merely spoke the truth of what is

Toplane Fencer1 votes

This isn't severe toxicity. I also don't think that any player in the game minded them running down mid as the game was over anyways. Enemy team was killing nexus.

The KDA1 votes

{quoted}

Tyler1 is a notoriously toxic player. Imaqtpie is in general a nice guy with probably a fairly clean record. One troll game is not going to get him banned. The banning system does not suspend people based on one isolated incident

I didn't say he will get banned. I said he won't. I also said the ezreal won't get punished. Which is exactly what makes me lose faith in riot. A player int feeds and makes it a video for everyone to see just showcases to everyone that you can troll every now and than. I don't think that is a healthy thing for the community.

HuntTheCünt1 votes

People like you are the problem of this game. You all would probably want to play full thornmail builds and laugh and say gf when it takes the adc 2 hits to kill himself.

Stars Shaper3 votes

I've never liked imaqtpie

The KDA2 votes

to each his own. I think he is a really chill streamer which is why him running down mid really surprised me. he's usually so laid back.

DeathBurst2 votes

Well, Youtubers shouldn't get any favor just because they are famous, but I'm not convinced they should get a different treatment either. If the "standard" system didn't punish them, it would be harsh to punish them 'cause they published a video on Youtube :s

On the other hand, there is a line of argument that, since they are public figures, they should set an example and be held to a higher standard. I'm not entirely convinced about it, but I understand that some people can defend this point of view.

The KDA1 votes

i don't think they should be treated any differently from other people either. but if the standard system didnt punish them, than what is this garbage "standard" that Riot abides by? is it ok for people with good standing accounts to feed once in a while? What if everyone did that? How disastrous would that be?

DeathBurst2 votes

It's not OK at all, and it's not the standard Riot "abides" by. It's just that it's hard to detect this kind of behavior when it happens only once in a while, and so some people manage to get through without being punished.

The KDA1 votes

meh. so the ban system can't even uphold the standards Riot abide by... which also happen to be the people that create the ban system.

thats a pretty crappy system :/

ModPrandine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The KDA,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xUHKv7ri,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-31T17:49:42.287+0000)

meh. so the ban system can't even uphold the standards Riot abide by... which also happen to be the people that create the ban system.

thats a pretty crappy system :/

He never said that, he simply said that behavior like the kind shown in the video is hard to detect normally because the system has to be sure that they're actually consistently showing that kind of poor behavior rather than just having a bad game or two. Make no mistake, behavior like this is indeed punished, but it just takes longer than normal to punish them because of the reasons I and DeathBuks7 stated above.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

it's pretty simple. the guys who can report in that game are the players in that particular game:). They can do w/e they want, as long as their team agrees with this:)..get it?

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