Fixing the Perma-ban system (quality of life)

Im not your Dad·12/18/2017, 3:32:12 PM·80 votes·9,957 views

I was perma-baned about 6 months ago during a rough time in my life. I was moving my family to another state and stressed as hell. During this time I was perma-banned b/c I was obviously on my last leg and flammed some noobs. Well deserved perma-ban im surprised it didn't happen earlier. The problem I had with the perma-ban was it seemed like being blindsided. Although, researching after the event i found out the 14 day ban was the last warning before the perma-ban.

I am proposing a new idea where riot will have the toxic summoners sign a warning with 'I Agree' that says, this is your last warning next ban with be permanent. similar to the 'I Agree' after accounts first AFK. I feel the perma-ban rate will drop dramatically. Or the confusion of why was i perma--banned forums/emails will drop dramatically and make everyone's life a bit more pleasant.

Permabanned Noob

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RiotRiot Tantram12/18/2017, 6:41:28 PM101 votes

I am proposing a new idea where riot will have the toxic summoners sign a warning with 'I Agree' that says this is your last warning next ban with be permanent.

I agree.

Kei14312/18/2017, 4:02:23 PM5 votes

Let me get this straight. So to get released from a 14-day ban, you have to type "I understand" that the next punishment is a permaban unless he improves his behavior and drops a punishment tier?

Probably better than where the permaban warning is right now, which is at the bottom of the 14-day ban reform card and many people don't read it.

ModPeriscope12/18/2017, 4:16:44 PM5 votes

I hate to tell you, but they already do that.

https://i.imgur.com/PAGDpW2.jpg

Edit: it's the first image that popped up for the search "2 week ban".

Proxiimus12/19/2017, 4:50:18 AM3 votes

I'm really shocked at the fact that people on here are showing sympathy for people who receive a 14 day ban, then cry they got permabanned when they were toxic after a 14 day ban. Lets be real here folks, This is like a child poking a dog, being told multiple times to stop, keeps doing it and then starts complaining and crying when the dog bites him. I've had bad games, I've been toxic.. I've never even received a chat suspension.. Really, you have to be super toxic and repetitive to receive punishment.. Leave their accounts banned.. blindside them after the 14 day ban.. They deserve it .. If you receive a 14 day account ban you're already in the super toxic group that doesn't need to be on the game in the first place... the last chance after that is very very generous.

Naono12/18/2017, 9:46:33 PM3 votes

What about banning for a season(s) or even 6 months?

After 6 months ban you type the "I Agree" thingy. and if you get ban for anything, even a chat restriction before season ends you get perma-ban or ban for a season or two. and if After that, you get ban again with that account or if it's a smurf account and they can link it to that's person's main, then they get perma-ban.

I am really not sure how toxic you have to be for a perma-ban. But from what I read from some people's post perma-ban shouldn't be the answer.

Another thing to consider is locking the individual out of rank games or any normal games. I am not sure how possible it is though.

Lux Is Mai Waifu12/19/2017, 2:25:37 AM2 votes

You can also get blind-side permabanned if you play with a Rioter who doesn't like your behavior (like that guy who won with double jungle against Phreak) so it won't really solve the problem.

Lùmen12/19/2017, 9:37:57 AM2 votes

Honestly now, aren't ban rates dropping recently because people are starting to realize that saying X keyword is an instant trigger on the system? I actually liked the other idea that was proposed months, if not more than a year (?) ago, where they actually gave a chance to people who already got permabanned in the past, similarly, they also have to write something like 'I Agree' and they're monitored on high alert for a while. don't spam downvotes on me for this, I just think it's a good idea, please. Even Riot has this quote in one of their articles: "I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice."

MotynuliGela698/19/2019, 12:50:24 PM1 votes

i get perma bann for no reason i hope rito fix this :( Amumu

Big ChiefN12/20/2017, 3:19:55 AM1 votes

i am not the best player in the world but i was thinking/ just a thought.

Is it true that every person perma-banned is at fault? People in general get context (even through text messaging/ social media/ news) wrong.

You get a copy of your report, turns out (for arguments sake) 60% of it is pro, and a fact to winning the game. The other 40% is "Wtf are you doing" etc....etc... (Lets say the players on twitch justify these winning concepts to the game, and make millions from those facts. MILLIONS. That is why you choose to use them/ tell other players to use them).

However, because the other player is having a bad game and has a duo/ pre-made group. They flame and blame those not in their group. In the end they choose to issue reports to all the players that are not apart of their group. Result 1 out of the 3 or two players not apart of their group gets banned. So in my opinion i dont think everyone is at fault. Some players do know what they're talking about, otherwise they wouldn't be pro athletes, or trying to be.

-Dr. Milgrim did a group experiment where, even when people knew they where wrong and didnt trust their own perception they'd group with any person that sounded right/ or wrong. Dr. Milgrim believed this to be a cause of many factors including insecurities.

Now is it ethical to get banned, or have to accept the terms, even if you're right and they pretty much "unethically survivored" your ass? All because of some ego trip by a group of immature player/s that know how to abuse the system? Too me that is toxicity at the finest degree. Is there anything being done to them? Probably not.

Lets say you're a player on the edge to becoming banned, and you're apart of that same game. You dont want to lose your shit right? However, Trump is throwing a tantrum, him and his admins just forced you to lose your acct, because they wanted to be irrational and report everyone in their wake. Now what? ((i dont know if riot gives you a way out; its pretty black and white; accept terms or not)).

Should there be an advocacy or system for these kind of players? i think so yes. Some may be smart enough to be able to use these issued copied text's to their advantage (why issue them in the first place?). Those messages are cut and dry, either condemning you or not, and they have the amount of games too. That's pretty good physical evidence to lift any unethical ban. Especially for players that spend a lot time and money on the game.

They may also have Riot points too that are still valid and only accessed through that account. Will Riot refund them their Rp that they actually paid for, or will they need a valid receipt? i think they can potentially get in trouble for things like this. After all you here ppl calling out for gifts. Young users understand that skins are expensive. Which is more reason why they would want to keep their account active. If ppl paid real money for it, and if they get blamed with no way to prove they're innocence. i think someone can potentially feel cheated by Riots system, and that can be bad.

I think it would probably be a good idea to look into something like an advocacy/ system after a report/ terms issue. After all the text messages that you can copy pretty much tell you what games you have been reported on. By looking at your match history you could potentially deem which players chose to report you. I think if a system could bring up your reported chat messages and separate them by game. It would be cool to create a system that could cross its data to see if any of those users (the ones that issued a report on you) are linked to any other issued reports within the system.

if the system deems that the probability of that player reporting another is greater than 1 (100%), or whatever threshold, they're potentially the problem as a toxic player overall (cops use a type of (pattern recognition) to find criminals through their "reports"). Then by using some crazy coding they could probably double check their data by seeing (X) amount of reports = to (X) amount of games within (x) amount of limits per person (or something like that, its just an idea). Then if those players are linked to other cases through which they are identified as a problem mathematically by the system. Then a legit tribunal within that program can justify to reactivate a players account or not, as well as, punishing those that abuse the system, rightfully.

-I think one of the limits should be that if there are more than one player on each others friends list and in a single game. During which ever match que (solo/duo, norms etc..etc..) first person of that pre-made group to issue a report can; however, all others players attached to that players group are now voided. So if the person with the problem, has a problem, then they may issue a valid report. which can be tallied, rightfully. It is just compromised integrity if you have two or more friends basically crying wolf together.. Data like that could be used to see which players are abusing the system with their cohorts. and those that are being banned get banned rightfully, and not wrongfully. as well as having a voice to keep playing the game they enjoy so much. Just a thought. Thanks for painfully reading this idea lol.

BestSkarnerEver12/20/2017, 3:58:42 PM1 votes

I wish there was something like this for a first offense too. I used to be pretty toxic, then got a chat restrict and lost my honor 4. I'm not at all toxic anymore, but I would've liked some sort of warning back then so I could've known I was on thin ice. The chat restrict/ honor loss feels unnecessary when all it would've taken for me to realize I was toxic was some sort of warning saying that I was close to being punished. I was incredibly surprised when I got a chat restrict, despite now looking back on it and knowing I deserved it. I feel there should be a warning before first and final offenses to prevent unnecessary punishments for people who just need a note to stop.

Jo0o12/18/2017, 4:28:08 PM1 votes

Don't they already do that?