punishment for afk much less than flaming

mig mig warwick·Jan 8, 2018·2 votes·651 views

why is punishment for flaming much harsher than trolling inting afking ??? it just doesnt sound right to me , afks trolls and leaver ruin the game 100% but the flaming mostly comes up when a team mate sucks and the game is pretty much over (*** im not defending flamers by no means) but cmon ... recovering from flaming punishment takes month and even more but recovering from a leaver buster takes an hour or so and thats if u get the top punishment ................................... you need to punish leavers and afks much harsher than this .

13 Comments

AnastaeciaJan 8, 20189 votes

Simple. Internet connectivity is not guaranteed. It's quite obvious that MOST players have connection issues at one time or another with all the lag and dcs, etc. So the Leaver system is more lenient because you can't always control your ISP. Also, not many people quit the game because they had a few games with team mates dcing (because we all know it happens and it happens to everyone).

OTOH, you can ALWAYS control your mouth. And people DO quit because they were bulled, harassed, etc by a fellow player.

mig mig warwickJan 8, 20181 votes

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Simple. Internet connectivity is not guaranteed. It's quite obvious that MOST players have connection issues at one time or another with all the lag and dcs, etc. So the Leaver system is more lenient because you can't always control your ISP. Also, not many people quit the game because they had a few games with team mates dcing (because we all know it happens and it happens to everyone).

OTOH, you can ALWAYS control your mouth. And people DO quit because they were bulled, harassed, etc by a fellow player.

thats bs buddy , are you saying its ok to leave if ur being bullied ? and also you clearly havent played in gold elo , alot of people leave here ...... 1 out of 10 people leaving is because of connection and also even then its so unfair to lose a game because of a leaver or afk .... and its SO unfair and bs that 4 people should pay for one guys bad luck

also let me add that leaver buster only busts people who leave consistently and not once or twice in a few days ... so there goes your statement

twchris13579Jan 8, 20185 votes

So your response to his well put comment about why flaming is worse than leaving. . . is to flame him and discredit his statement cause hes not gold elo? Lol, I'm gold elo and I agree with his statement as well. I rarely ever see anyone leave a game, I think it's happened once in my last 50 games.

Also on the comment "its unfair to pay for peoples bad luck" that can literally be applied to anyone, in any role, who gets caught out of position, or misses a smite, or doesn't land a stun, etc... those misplays can cost you the game because 1 person made a critical mistake at a critical time, are you saying those people should be punished too? Or that you should get freelo unless your team plays a perfect game every single time?

mig mig warwickJan 8, 20181 votes

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So your response to his well put comment about why flaming is worse than leaving. . . is to flame him and discredit his statement cause hes not gold elo? Lol, I'm gold elo and I agree with his statement as well. I rarely ever see anyone leave a game, I think it's happened once in my last 50 games.

Also on the comment "its unfair to pay for peoples bad luck" that can literally be applied to anyone, in any role, who gets caught out of position, or misses a smite, or doesn't land a stun, etc... those misplays can cost you the game because 1 person made a critical mistake at a critical time, are you saying those people should be punished too? Or that you should get freelo unless your team plays a perfect game every single time?

you dont get leavers then you are lucky ... i dont get why you defend leavers maybe your one of them your self ??? and as i said you need to leave consistently to get busted so having a connection problem one time wont get you the punishment only leaving 4 or 5 games in a period of time will grant you the punishment , and also i never ever have gotten carried in my gold games

when did i flame or disrespect anyone here ??? if you think having a confiscation is flaming thats your problem but you clearly dont know what flaming is

twchris13579Jan 8, 20185 votes

So again, your response to a perfectly reasonable comment is to flame the person. You accuse me of being an unsportsmanlike player just because I disagree with your opinion, that is exactly what I mean by flaming someone. Honestly your arrogant attitude and one sided way of thinking doesn't fit well with the league community and given your hostile response to some simple comments on the forums it's clear you are a rather tilted player.

I never defended the intentional leavers, please quote me the part of my comment where I did. And please be more respectful in your reply.

mig mig warwickJan 9, 20181 votes

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So again, your response to a perfectly reasonable comment is to flame the person. You accuse me of being an unsportsmanlike player just because I disagree with your opinion, that is exactly what I mean by flaming someone. Honestly your arrogant attitude and one sided way of thinking doesn't fit well with the league community and given your hostile response to some simple comments on the forums it's clear you are a rather tilted player.

I never defended the intentional leavers, please quote me the part of my comment where I did. And please be more respectful in your reply.

dude i just dont get you ... what ever

AnastaeciaJan 8, 20182 votes

I'm not saying what IS and ISN'T ok. I am telling you it is a financial decision (just like most business decisions) by Riot. If you have 100% control over something (collecting and analyzing actual black and white chat), then you are free to make decisions about it (to punish or not to punish). If you don't have control (internet connectivity), then you have to be more lenient because it is NOT always the players fault.

You just proved my point with your second paragraph. Leaver Buster looks for consistent leaving BECAUSE it's not sure if every leave is an actual afk or a dc. IF we were all hard wired to Rito's servers, then a leave would definitely be a leave. No doubt. But since we are on this sketchy internet, nope.

mig mig warwickJan 8, 20181 votes

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I'm not saying what IS and ISN'T ok. I am telling you it is a financial decision (just like most business decisions) by Riot. If you have 100% control over something (collecting and analyzing actual black and white chat), then you are free to make decisions about it (to punish or not to punish). If you don't have control (internet connectivity), then you have to be more lenient because it is NOT always the players fault.

You just proved my point with your second paragraph. Leaver Buster looks for consistent leaving BECAUSE it's not sure if every leave is an actual afk or a dc. IF we were all hard wired to Rito's servers, then a leave would definitely be a leave. No doubt. But since we are on this sketchy internet, nope.

:D:D:D:D:D dude that did u even read my post i said it would be better if the punishment for leaving was harsher .. first you say they cant because the leaver might be having bad connection , and i say you need to leave consistently to get busted so net connection is off the hook , so your point is not proven because connection problems are not in danger but leavers and afkers are so harsher punishment is fully doable and NEEDED

AJStarhikerJan 8, 20182 votes

Ok, lets put out a couple scenarios.

You have someone who doesn't care about the penalty and leaves an average of 10 games a week. That's 90 people who's game is affected, but it's worse for the 4 on his team. Most will be annoyed with him, but will probably shrug it off by the next game.
You have someone who flames an average of 10 games a week and takes it to all-chat. Now, you have up to 90 people with a variety of reactions. Some will just ignore his rage and/or mute him. A few will retaliate, making things worse, and continuing into their next game. And maybe 3-4 will decide League's reputation for toxicity is warranted and leave for other games.

Now, when that toxic player gets a 2-week ban, that suddenly leaves 180 players who don't have to put up with him. That leaves the ignore/mute faction happy for the better communication, the retaliators don't risk their own accounts, and League retains another 6-8 players.

And, before you bring up money, think about this. What's more financially sound: Retaining 1 player who drives away players and revenue, or booting him to keep multiple players in the game and willing to spend money?

mig mig warwickJan 9, 20181 votes

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Ok, lets put out a couple scenarios.

You have someone who doesn't care about the penalty and leaves an average of 10 games a week. That's 90 people who's game is affected, but it's worse for the 4 on his team. Most will be annoyed with him, but will probably shrug it off by the next game.

You have someone who flames an average of 10 games a week and takes it to all-chat. Now, you have up to 90 people with a variety of reactions. Some will just ignore his rage and/or mute him. A few will retaliate, making things worse, and continuing into their next game. And maybe 3-4 will decide League's reputation for toxicity is warranted and leave for other games.

Now, when that toxic player gets a 2-week ban, that suddenly leaves 180 players who don't have to put up with him. That leaves the ignore/mute faction happy for the better communication, the retaliators don't risk their own accounts, and League retains another 6-8 players.

And, before you bring up money, think about this. What's more financially sound: Retaining 1 player who drives away players and revenue, or booting him to keep multiple players in the game and willing to spend money?

well at least they should design the game so when there is a leaver in the game other 4 players do not suffer the loss or at least lose less lp like if you were to lose 20 normal you would lose 10 with a leaver on your team ....

AJStarhikerJan 10, 20181 votes

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well at least they should design the game so when there is a leaver in the game other 4 players do not suffer the loss or at least lose less lp like if you were to lose 20 normal you would lose 10 with a leaver on your team ....

The biggest problem with any kind of leave forgiveness is designing a system that can't be abused. For example, trying to bully the 'weakest' team member to quit or premade groups rotating sacrificial leaves so the team as a whole gets artificially inflated rankings.

And how would you handle a 4v5 where the 4 wins? I just played one of those a few hours ago. My team had a player whose laptop died and didn't know where his charge cord was. We kept going despite him leaving and simply outplayed the other team to a win.

Telephone BoothJan 8, 20181 votes

Good ol public discourse. One thread says leaves penalties are too harsh, another says they aren't harsh enough. It will never be perfect for everyone. But I think Anastaecia's reasoning was a pretty good thought. Kind of rationalizes it well in my opinion.

YerroFeverJan 10, 20181 votes

Years ago, I was punished for AFK/Leaving because my ISP was shitty and would go down on a regular basis. Once a new ISP became available in my area and I got a different ISP, I wasn't disconnecting like crazy and I haven't been punished because my ISP is now pretty good and doesn't disconnect me often. It's not perfect and I get disconnected once every few months but that's not my fault and rightly so I am not punished for it.

I am not responsible for those outages and the disconnect that ruined a game but those inters, flamers, and trolls are definitely responsible for ruining games.

Because of the intent, they're punished harsher. If Riot sees a pattern of intentional AFK's, then they're punished harshly because it's intentional behavior vs situations like...

https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix