Here's why removing said "toxic" players turned the game into what it is.

Nhifu·6/30/2018, 10:34:08 AM·6 votes·2,758 views

Player vs Player games in general Casual players are always glad to get rid of extremely good players And the extremely good players.. tend to take the game to the EXTREME Extreme meaning, they get very ticked off when someone else isn't "trying" or let them down.

Think of S1mple from CSGO, is he toxic? Yes, but does he try his absolute best? Yes.

The "I lost" mentality leads to people hurting their teammates for a "win" You will see this every game. 20 kills to 0, go straight to /all chat and blame another teammate. And when players are feeding they'll do something else to entertain themselves.. trolling. Spamming surrender is a big example, sitting in the summoner pool, trying to convince the OTHER team to report you.

Feeling good reporting players, after a defeat This kind of piggy-backs from the previous point, but is very very true. There are threads everywhere (this board and reddit) players seem to think they're "making a difference" by playing the game. Playing the game to. . get rid of other players permanently, rather than playing to enjoy the game itself.

Not trying anymore Troll picks, getting enough LP to lose, deranking on purpose

Now every game is the same cycle...

Play, win, rage, report, repeat. Play, lose, rage, report, quit the game.

54 Comments

Jamaree6/30/2018, 11:00:24 AM11 votes

Casual players don't report people who do well, casual players report people who make the experience shit, if you go 20/0/X but don't flame, no one is going to report you, that doesn't happen, that never happens, that never will happen, people aren't that petty.

As for the good players, yes, I get, losing because of a weak link isn't fun, doesn't change the fact that flaming is going to do anything.

Some people just have bad temperaments and think that anyone who plays poorly is actively trying to sabotage them, which isn't true in the slightest. Most people aren't trying to feed and if people actually calm down and realize that yes, everyone feeds, including them, people would flame less.

Umbral Regent6/30/2018, 12:44:50 PM7 votes

Casual players are always glad to get rid of extremely good players

Okay, first of all, this argument is trying to make some poorly-thought correlation between casual players and sucking and hardcore players and being extremely good at the game.

You can be casual and still be extremely good at the game, just as you can be a hardcore player and still suck. To try and say "you're either casual or you're extremely good at the game" is asinine.

Second: Hardly anyone is genuinely that petty. As Jamaree said, casual players are glad to get rid of players who make the game less fun. Skill does not ever factor into someone's decision of "do I wanna report this guy...?"

And the extremely good players.. tend to take the game to the EXTREME Extreme meaning, they get very ticked off when someone else isn't "trying" or let them down.

And these statements would have been a similar faux pas if you hadn't said "tend to". Even still, I doubt players of high skill are so extreme about being good that they expect all their teammates to be godlike. If they're so good at the game, then they should know full-well what they can do to win the game, and not be even remotely drawn to being pissed off at their teammates.

Think of S1mple from CSGO, is he toxic? Yes, but does he try his absolute best? Yes.

Dunno who S1mple is, doesn't matter. He's just one person. Not a good example.

You will see this every game. 20 kills to 0, go straight to /all chat and blame another teammate.

I seldom see teammates devolve into blaming each other, and when they do, it's often one toxic player trying to get on someone's case for losing lane.

And when players are feeding they'll do something else to entertain themselves.. trolling.

Again; just because you may seem to see it a lot, doesn't mean everyone else sees it. I for one am more likely to encounter a real life unicorn than run into trolls. When players are doing poorly, they don't just randomly decide "y'know what, I'm gonna troll" - they keep playing. They may still make similar mistakes, but very rarely do they troll.

Spamming surrender is a big example, sitting in the summoner pool, trying to convince the OTHER team to report you.

......How is spamming surrender vote - something that can only be seen on your own team, supposed to convince the enemy team to report you?

This kind of piggy-backs from the previous point, but is very very true. There are threads everywhere (this board and reddit) players seem to think they're "making a difference" by playing the game. Playing the game to. . get rid of other players permanently, rather than playing to enjoy the game itself.

Yes, there are some people who take unnecessary pride in getting players punished. But, by and large, the majority of the community feels good about players getting reported/punished because that player genuinely made the game less fun for them. They're cleaning up the community, so they're entitled to at least some modicum of pride.

If you can prove that the majority of the community just exult from punishing players for no other reason than "haha, I got this guy punished", I would very much like to see it.

Troll picks, getting enough LP to lose, deranking on purpose

Now every game is the same cycle...

Play, win, rage, report, repeat. Play, lose, rage, report, quit the game.

Again, you're saying this as though it involves the whole of the community, when in reality, it's only a small handful of players who do this kinda shit.

BoringLittleF6/30/2018, 11:12:21 AM5 votes

Casual players are always glad to get rid of extremely good players

I had a game in which I lost my lane and died a lot - but we had extremely good Lee Sin and Bard. None of them raged or said anything. Even when I hated myself. That's why I wanted to ensure they get this victory: I distracted the enemy team while our team took baron. I stunned enemy players who tried to kill my teammates. It was no longer about doing damage but taking damage instead of the players who could make a change. And it worked. We won in the end.

Had it been a stream of insults, I would have just stopped caring and trying. Being an asshole to somebody doesn't inspire them or turn them into Faker. Shocking, I know!

I AM VBAD6/30/2018, 10:45:32 AM3 votes

when a rager knows he will get banned if he rages at his team he will find another way to show his displeasure. usually trolling.

then trolling leads to getting other players banned and with the punishment feedback messages being so much fun, we have an overall great system for creating/encouraging trolls.

Solicitude6/30/2018, 11:22:01 AM3 votes

So you are saying riot shouldnt ban toxic players because banning them makes the game more toxic? That doesnt make any sense...

Casual players are always glad to get rid of extremely good players

If that was true, then most of the player base would have been banned by now. I, personally, prefer to play against better players than me, its an opportunity to become better.

Also, for anyone for you who didnt play old DotA. This game had no bans or any kind of suspension. You left a game, you could immediately join an other one. You flamed? Nothing would ever happen. But guess what. This didnt make the players any less toxic. On the contrary it made them 100 times more toxic. Seriously, finishing a game with all 10 players was extremely rare. This kind of thinking is like trying to stop murdering by allowing killing with no repercussion. "We allow killing, so that people lose interest on it and stop murdering its other". Aint happening.