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Just wanted your guys opinions on my Perma Ban.

Razzer·10/7/2018, 2:17:35 AM·15 votes·12,096 views

All my friends that I explain this situation to say that I didn't deserve to be permaed, so they convinced me to post to you guys about this.

Long story short, I've been playing League since Season 2. Over the course of I would say the past (3?) years I've gotten maybe 6-7 chat restrictions and a month and a half ago a 2 week ban. Fast forward to a few days ago, I unlocked checkpoint 2/3 to reach honor level 1, I'm happy as hell, I even go in aram and purchase the option to give my team skins. Was just in a good mood.

Then I play a SoloQ game where I que up as Master Yi. We have a level 1 fight where enemy team gets 3 or 4 kills (Which you will see in the chat logs that I don't complain about because it is pointless to bring it up when I know we can bounce back if we just play safe and don't feed any more.)

Game 1 In-Game Razzer: oh yea baby Razzer: lets go (I'm Soloing Dragon at level 6 and Enemy ADC Vayne walks from mid to bot past dragon just rotating) Razzer: Why the fuck Razzer: are you there Razzer: seriously Razzer: sigh (That was that. I know that looks bad but I woulda said that in person. I'm not raging because I didn't die or lose dragon, I just flashed over the wall) Razzer: just mute braum Razzer: negative nancy (My team won't stop fighting and they want to FF, I told them just mute braum and focus. I agree after talking with Riot Support, I shouldn't of said Braum was a Negative nancy, because that could hurt his feelings.) Razzer: next time dont fight Razzer: their whole team is bad Razzer: that troll lvl 1 we had Razzer: lost us the game Razzer: then braum wont stop typing Razzer: anyway games not over Razzer: till lose inhib (I'm telling my team not to FF till we lose an inhib because they want to FF. This is making saying give it a chance for us to delay the game) Razzer: yolo Razzer: nah Razzer: we can win Razzer: they cant stop split push urgot or yi Razzer: if we dont allow them to take inhibs Razzer: we actually can win Razzer: nah Razzer: he cant Razzer: chill (Self explanatory, team is still arguing in chat, I'm saying chill because they all want to FF and give up. Razzer: bro just kill them top Razzer: why are you guys trying to fight sion Razzer: urgot just needs to clear the wave and the zzrot because sion cant dmg him (At this point I'm explaining what we need to do to delay the game.)

Past this point we are down inhibs and baron and the game actually is over. This is when I defend myself and talk as if it's post game chat, the entire team is. (PS tr == Too Real)

Razzer: u guys are just tr Razzer: and what have u done Razzer: ? Razzer: vote yes Razzer: we lost inhib Razzer: we can vote yes now Razzer: lvl 1 just fucked us Razzer: so hard Razzer: it is what it is Razzer: just next Razzer: i dont ever ff till we lose an inhib Razzer: im not diamond Razzer: okay Razzer: that was a year ago Razzer: bud Razzer: and i was d5 Razzer: that don't mean shit Razzer: i just got lucky (Here they brought up that I bought my account and didn't actually get diamond.) Razzer: yes and I play every role this season Razzer: not just jungle (Here they brought up my winrate this season in SoloQ which is trash like 46 percent) Razzer: gg Razzer: bot lane toxic Post-Game Razzer: gg

I was harassed by the botlane and I honestly should of reported them. I assume because my account had "flags" already on it that if 2 or more people report me in a match that I automatically receive the next penalty (Which in this case was a perma). I just feel sick to my stomach because I really don't think that this deserved a perma ban. More sick I spent 30 dollars the day I got banned to buy championship K6 and some chromas.

109 Comments

Jo0o10/7/2018, 2:24:08 AM9 votes

I've never heard "tr" meaning "too real" in my life, and I have no idea why you'd call somebody "too real" in this context. I'd have assumed you were calling them trash.

It's otherwise pretty mild stuff. Light negativity, but you're on thin ice after a two-week ban. I don't necessarily think you should be banned for this, but I can see why they did it.

Town Mayor10/7/2018, 2:53:10 AM7 votes

Seems like if you even remotely use leagues chat system you risk getting perma-banned. What's the point of a team chat if you can't point out faults in a game/team while also inputting valid information to help fix the situation?? I'll be sure to compliment every leaver, int feeder, rager from here on out in fear I get reported for giving my 2 cents. GG! Excellent play! Right on brother! Keep it up your doing great! Maybe next time i'll play AP Cait too!

Zombie Gerbil10/7/2018, 3:20:33 AM5 votes

This is merely the surface of what you did. Everything underneath is much deeper when it comes to your penalty. You've proven to be inflammatory towards Braum, which concluded to your stack of reports you've gotten over the duration of using Riot's Service. Which means, this chat-log only shows the surface, but showed how you were inflammatory here.

You should have muted and not type towards your allies regardless of the situation or circumstances. So with the reflection of the surface of your toxicity, we can't go much deeper due to you editing your chat-log, but for certain you did deserve the penalty. As for the ban, the ban itself proves that you're consistently toxic.

The IFS only detects consistency and severity. You get 4 tiers of penalties but only so many flags. In this case, you've been through a LOT of reports and you just came off your 14-day ban. Since you were being inflammatory towards Braum while walking on thin ice, you paid the consequence of being toxic. Any sort negativity, regardless of the reason, has no place in League of Legends.

Moonscourge10/7/2018, 2:29:46 AM5 votes

Keep in mind that these are only the tip of the iceberg, the stuff that was reported and that triggered the review of your logs/behaviour.

I was banned on another account and one of the logs was literally a custom ARAM game where I said a single line of text telling my friend to move to the middle and he jokingly reported me. I deserved the ban, but that game showing up in the log was obviously bogus.

zoliking10/7/2018, 3:16:32 AM4 votes

This log looks fine, if this is the worst you've done then this ban is nonsensical.

DrCyanide10/7/2018, 2:41:17 AM4 votes

I'd log a support ticket, emphasizing how you were trying to keep the teams spirits up in the middle of the game while being realistic of what cost you the game. Don't say you were "defending" yourself, just that you were replying to Braum. Too many people use "defending myself" as a way to describe being toxic back, and you'd want to avoid your support rep thinking you're like them.

Being off of the 2 week ban so recently anything that would earn a new player a chat restriction would give you a permanent ban... but I feel like this one is in error. I think you've got a pretty good chance of getting this overturned. GL!

ThiccDaddddy10/7/2018, 3:08:52 PM3 votes

Maybe stop giving up at level 1 and learn to just play the game and mute people.

ReportTheJungler10/7/2018, 7:22:58 AM3 votes

Wow, i read this a lot of times and i still can't find out why you got banned. This is so minor and in my opinion, doesn't deserve perma. I mean, riot wtf? I think that you were using cencored words or something (not to offend your teamates though). There is no other explanation. I am close to perma ban too after I recieved a 14 day ban and when i saw this thread, i should keep my mouth shut on chat. Jeeze, riot.

Malefic Reality10/12/2018, 2:31:04 PM2 votes

You can't even be passive aggressive in this game without getting reported. That's why lots of times I just avoid speaking much unless I say gj (if they secure an objective or kill) or ty (from getting a buff or a good gank). If you say remotely anything else, more than likely you will get banned. I remember I told a Thresh player who was flaming me that he throws hooks like a blind fisherman and got chat restricted for that.

But honestly, I want to know what other games led up to this PermaBan. Because usually most Permas I've encountered tend to be hate speech bans.

Silent Gravity10/7/2018, 3:05:23 AM2 votes

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Here they brought up that I bought my account

Purchasing an account is a permanent ban offense all on it's own. If you want any help from your support ticket, you shouldn't mention that part.

Lv60 Retri Pala10/8/2018, 10:03:50 AM2 votes

Your own fault for using the ingame chat. :^) No seriously, unless some Rioter can offer additional insight into this this perm ban is 100% undeserved, this doesn't even warrant a chat restriction imo.

Phoenixdust10/8/2018, 12:13:27 PM2 votes

You used the chat, and got banned. I don't think it was deserved, you were also constructive sometimes, but this is what happens if you use the chat and aren't the nicest person on the Earth.

You might try to submit a support ticket, it's worth a try, but i would not give too much hope to it. :\

Elysia10/7/2018, 10:43:52 PM1 votes

I agree that this was light but I could see how perhaps you might be dinged for "Negative Attitude" so to speak, but that's really the only one of the actionable marks on the report form I could see that falling under and it is a little bit of a stretch, though I could see how that argument could be made for either side. That being said, I do think that the part you failed to elaborate on is a key factor to the discussion: your previous half a dozen chat infractions.

I do agree this was light and kind of a grey area as far as being "negative enough," but I can understand as a CSR seeing someone who is just barely crossing the line for a violation, seeing their account has already had 7+ violations previously for hate speech, negativity, griefing, what have you (alllll of those details are missing from this post), and then seeing a 2 week ban prior? I would get that negativity out of the game and move on. If you had not learned your lesson after 8 slaps on the wrist, I'm sorry to break it to you, but a 9th clearly isn't going to teach you either. An account closure, however, is something that you never forget. It's irreversible.

Which then, at that point you have to make a choice:

  • You either choose to stay and turn a new leaf by creating a new account and using this as a learning experience that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all; or
  • You deal with the fact that your actions for all 9 previous infractions brought you to this point where you can no longer play a game you enjoy because your negativity had consequences and you don't believe that it's fair you should have to start over as a result of 3 years worth of poor personal and behavioral choices.

Stop putting blame or responsibility for this on Riot or the player(s) who reported you. Having done video game support for other companies in the industry, I'm sure there are safeguards in place to prevent false positives for infractions or otherwise (assuming they use some form of automation in that regard), but 8 false positives is a bit of a stretch and I think we can all admit that seems pretty improbable. You need to own up to your behavior and move on. Yes, this was a case that may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but the other 7 infractions and 2 week chat ban, I'm sure you can think of some instances where your behavior was perhaps unwarranted.

If you were on the fence for whether this was considered actionable enough to warrant a permanent ban with no previous violations, I imagine we wouldn't be having this discussion, but I imagine your previous negative marks had an affect on the overall decision to terminate your account. I have been playing for 8+ years. I have used chat very regularly anytime I'm running solo queue (team overcommunicate as opposed to under communicate, always). Not once have I received an infraction. There's clearly something here that is consistently resulting in you receiving negative marks against your account: you and your decision to repeatedly talk to your own teammates in a way that is blatantly disrespectful.

ETA: I'm not trying to be mean and I know my tone comes across as harsh, but I'm really trying to drive through the point that the 9 infractions that lead to your account being permanently closed were choices you made, which means it's something within your realm of control. People often want to get upset and project anger towards things they can't control: the chat ban system (if it's automated to some degree), the player who reported them, the Riot employee that gave them the axe. But please please please realize that you can absolutely change your attitude and how you react to people in-game and that is what got your account closed to begin with. Toxicity is the sole reason why I left this game for an extended period of time, because I was tired of being treated poorly so frequently when I legitimately hadn't done anything but try to play the game so it's something I'm very passionate about.