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chat restricted. does riot really think this is permban worthy? riot pls respond

Pandimane·2/28/2018, 5:50:50 PM·7 votes·1,149 views

this is my first and only punishment

i will admit, in my games if my teams raged hard at me i would enjoy acting "smug / superior" to them without directly insulting or bashing them. because i thought punishing that type of chat would probably ban 80% of lls playerbase and riot would never make any money if they did that

well here we go. it seems even my "smug chat" has flagged riots ban system

im not mad or upset or anything, all this simply means is i will now type literally "nothing" when my teammates are raging at me, instead of responding back and acting smug/superior. not much of a big deal to me

however i just wanna say. to riot. that this seems kinda funny how this type of chat is now flagging the toxic sensors? i see at least 50% of players typing way worse in my games. almost every loss usually involves the losing team raging at eachother and insulting eachother. so if all those players keep doing it that means youll end up banning 50% of your playerbase (and thats a very conservative number im using)

so to riot i guess i just wanna ask. do you really consider THIS chat im about to share to be "permaban worthy" chat?

because if i was flagged once, it means this chat is permaban worthy and will result in a permaban if i keep doing it (thus, i simply wont do it anymore)

however, since i consider myself to be so nontoxic, i guess im asking riot if they really do consider this chat to be toxic, or am i really one of the rare cases where i falsely set off riots toxic sensor?

my chatlog

(not this account. account name is iviewbot)

Game 1 iVIEWBOT: damage items wont do anything on rakan. his kit isnt designed to put out damage iVIEWBOT: but whatever. his kits about tanking and peeling iVIEWBOT: oops iVIEWBOT: its ok iVIEWBOT: i was shoving to reset his top wave. also there was a risk/chance lee could gank 2v1 iVIEWBOT: while the lane was pushed iVIEWBOT: so i was 100% helping him iVIEWBOT: he doesnt realize it tho i guess iVIEWBOT: taking farm is a part of shoving to reset the wave iVIEWBOT: shoving to reset the wave was the right play iVIEWBOT: there was a risk lee could have ganked you 1v2 iVIEWBOT: while your lane was pushed iVIEWBOT: if i shove to reset your wave, some EXP is shared iVIEWBOT: thats how league works iVIEWBOT: i cant change how exp is shared by minions iVIEWBOT: im playing iVIEWBOT: i cant be in 3 lanes at the same time iVIEWBOT: junglers are used to being blamed tho. ima just focus on the game. iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now. iVIEWBOT: simply reporting doesnt get people banned. thank god iVIEWBOT: you have to actually do something bannable to be banned, thankfully iVIEWBOT: proof = this account isnt banned iVIEWBOT: feel free to report me tho im sure it will help you feel better iVIEWBOT: ima focus on the game now iVIEWBOT: blue isnt gromp iVIEWBOT: i dont report people. we all came into this game trying to win, doing our best iVIEWBOT: so im cool with all of you iVIEWBOT: but both teams are trying to win . 1 team gets outplayed and loses iVIEWBOT: its how a game works. so its nothing to be angry about iVIEWBOT: i dont get emotional over it. so thats why i dont report people iVIEWBOT: i know you all came into this game trying to win. so why should i get mad at you? iVIEWBOT: im not mad. i dont report people iVIEWBOT: should i get mad EVERY TIME laners lose lane? iVIEWBOT: no iVIEWBOT: everyones trying to win iVIEWBOT: dont have to get mad every time i lose. that would be mentally draining etc

33 Comments

Insidi0us2/28/2018, 6:02:51 PM6 votes

I honestly do not think that what you did that game is worthy of a perma ban or even a punishment. One tip for you is to just mute everybody and DO NOT type in chat. Because the hole player base is full of sensitive fake people who will tilt you and at some point get you perma banned like myself. So just mute everybody and don't type sh*t.

AeroWaffle2/28/2018, 6:11:52 PM5 votes

Your title is a little confusing.

Which is it, are you permabanned or are you chat restricted?

Pandimane2/28/2018, 5:52:26 PM4 votes

oh yeah i forgot to say the funny part

riots msg to me was something like "we punish players who are in the 3% who constantly go off and rage in the chat"

im reading that and thinking... LMAOOOO im in the 3% with my chatlogs. ohhh boyyy

Trash Control2/28/2018, 6:31:24 PM3 votes

I encounter players who are actually toxic and it's absurd to me that you've been chat restricted for those logs. Nothing about your behavior is toxic to me or preventative towards other players playing and enjoying the game. It seems like you actually make an effort to keep cool and relax your teammates. What is riot thinking to punish you for this? And what do they expect you to think? Should you just not type at all ever again in game? If that's how riot feels then they should completely remove the chat box so the truly toxic and abusive player comms don't have to be put up with. I mean GET REAL RIOT. There are real toxic players who I know aren't getting reported that name-call, gaybash, and use hatespeech but you are reporting this? These comms shouldn't bother anyone unless they themselves were the toxic ones provoking the OP in chat.

ModPeriscope2/28/2018, 6:24:08 PM3 votes

I think you're aware of how permabans work. You keep doing punishable stuff, and it eventually leads to a permaban. You already know this from your previously banned account.

Awf Meta2/28/2018, 7:01:17 PM3 votes

Please file a support ticket. Then update the thread with screenshots.

Umbral Regent2/28/2018, 6:11:06 PM3 votes

Well, let's see.

iVIEWBOT: damage items wont do anything on rakan. his kit isnt designed to put out damage iVIEWBOT: but whatever. his kits about tanking and peeling

I'm gonna guess Rakan didn't ask you for build advice, so I'd count this as some negativity that led towards your punishment.

iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

While this wouldn't lead to a punishment, I still wanted to point it out as the epitome of irony. Even though it wouldn't lead to a punishment, it still seems that whenever it's said, the person seems to get punished.

iVIEWBOT: should i get mad EVERY TIME laners lose lane?

This is probably the only other potentially punishable line in the match, which means that your chat logs here are either spectacularly mild, or edited for one reason or another.

Even in the case of it being mild, though, it still would be grounds for a punishment if you've had a recent string of matches showcasing a negative or combative attitude, and, in general, despite how relaxed you were for the majority of the chat logs, it seems that you were a little too interested in going back and forth with your teammates.

I think I'd advise taking things up with Player Support - ask them why you got a chat restriction, and if you had games before this one that were flagged. Provided you're patient and respectful, it is entirely possible they find that the punishment was issued in error, or they could bring up information that you might have missed.

Xaintrix3/1/2018, 3:57:26 PM2 votes

Did you carry the conversation into post game chat where potential breaches could occur? The forward facing logs don't show those. We don't have the whole story, but just the above if unadulterated look pretty tame.

Pandimane2/28/2018, 8:47:39 PM2 votes

ok. ill try to clarify what i mean by the permaban part

EVERY PUNISHABLE ACTION, in riots eyes, period, is "permaban worthy". however riots gives multiple chances.

so at the first punishable action, its chat restriction, then if you get more strike its a permaban

so my point here is that the above chatlogs, if they happen in more and more games, will result in a permaban since thats how riots system work

so my question is, pretty much, does riot really think the above chat should be "permaban worthy?"

in my opinion, no

but based on riots system, it is, and i find that to be pretty funnny

right now im just going with a "never type, ever" policy, since apparently the above chat which i see as "nontoxic" in my view is permaban worthy/toxic in riots system/view

therefore, if i am apparently unable to judge what IS or ISNT toxic chat, my solution is now to type literally nothing

i just find that all to be pretty hilarious, in my opinion, since i consider myself to be a very bright, positive, and nice person lol

i admit that on the internet i do enjoy acting smug / "full of myself" / "like my farts dont stink" . but i do that without directly being mean and directly insulting other people. its more of a personal comedy thing. thats my type of comedy.

most ragers "downspeak" others. but in my opinion thats pretty boring / stale / played out / stupid. so for me, instead of "downspeaking" others and calling other people bad/trash, i instead like to "upspeak" myself and call myself "godly"/"superior to others" / "the ultimate specimen of humanity" / etc . but i guess now i cant express myself in a fun online game environment (in league anyway) or i risk getting banned

i dont act that way in real life. but its fun to do on the internet

Telephone Booth3/1/2018, 12:48:51 AM2 votes

Yeah next time just take your own advice and "focus on the game", not debating what was the right move in the past.

Zenturian3/2/2018, 7:46:22 AM1 votes

One of my alt accounts got a chat restriction for a similar log, minus the build advice and with less responses in game. Rioter told me I should have chose not to respond at all. Pointing out I wasn't breaking any rules and that the raging players behavior was "ironic" justified thepunishment. It was laughable.

Dolyna2/28/2018, 6:30:25 PM1 votes

I don't see how this is worthy of punishment... unless you said something nastier in the lobby before or after the game. (The lobby chat is looked at, but it currently can't be included in the chatlog they send you, so the default is just to send you the game chatlog.)

Pandimane2/28/2018, 7:10:03 PM1 votes

i dont care much about the chat restriction

is mostly that riot took away my "free rewards" because im "toxic" apparently. lol

YerroFever2/28/2018, 7:42:33 PM1 votes

The title of your thread is:

chat restricted. does riot really think this is permban worthy? riot pls respond

You know chat restrictions are not the same as permabans, right?

EvilDustMan2/28/2018, 8:08:06 PM1 votes

Submit a support ticket, I think something fucky is going on. Might be you, might be them.

Fegone3/1/2018, 3:38:36 PM1 votes

Oh the irony: iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

Seriously though, while i usually read other's chat logs and give my 2 cents on why they rightfully got banned or punished, in your case i really can't see anything that would suffice to issue a punishment. just calm and smooth answers, nothing toxic, also not too much chat as to where someone would claim you're posting walls of text. I'd be interested to know how Riot justifies this.

ModPeriscope3/1/2018, 4:44:54 PM1 votes

iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

I feel like this sums up why you were punished. It's passive aggressive. Not designed to directly insult someone, but you said it to get under someone's skin. Other lines that were similar to this:

iVIEWBOT: so i was 100% helping him iVIEWBOT: he doesnt realize it tho i guess iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: simply reporting doesnt get people banned. thank god iVIEWBOT: you have to actually do something bannable to be banned, thankfully iVIEWBOT: proof = this account isnt banned iVIEWBOT: feel free to report me tho im sure it will help you feel better

I am interested to hear what support says back to you. I think this could go either way, but I'm thinking this log is neutral-negative. You did give some good advice about shoving lane, but there's a lot of useless/neutral chat about reports, as well as the negative chat that I highlighted.