Boards›Player Behavior

chat restricted. does riot really think this is permban worthy? riot pls respond

Pandimane··7 votes·1,149 views

this is my first and only punishment

i will admit, in my games if my teams raged hard at me i would enjoy acting "smug / superior" to them without directly insulting or bashing them. because i thought punishing that type of chat would probably ban 80% of lls playerbase and riot would never make any money if they did that

well here we go. it seems even my "smug chat" has flagged riots ban system

im not mad or upset or anything, all this simply means is i will now type literally "nothing" when my teammates are raging at me, instead of responding back and acting smug/superior. not much of a big deal to me

however i just wanna say. to riot. that this seems kinda funny how this type of chat is now flagging the toxic sensors? i see at least 50% of players typing way worse in my games. almost every loss usually involves the losing team raging at eachother and insulting eachother. so if all those players keep doing it that means youll end up banning 50% of your playerbase (and thats a very conservative number im using)

so to riot i guess i just wanna ask. do you really consider THIS chat im about to share to be "permaban worthy" chat?

because if i was flagged once, it means this chat is permaban worthy and will result in a permaban if i keep doing it (thus, i simply wont do it anymore)

however, since i consider myself to be so nontoxic, i guess im asking riot if they really do consider this chat to be toxic, or am i really one of the rare cases where i falsely set off riots toxic sensor?

my chatlog

(not this account. account name is iviewbot)

Game 1 iVIEWBOT: damage items wont do anything on rakan. his kit isnt designed to put out damage iVIEWBOT: but whatever. his kits about tanking and peeling iVIEWBOT: oops iVIEWBOT: its ok iVIEWBOT: i was shoving to reset his top wave. also there was a risk/chance lee could gank 2v1 iVIEWBOT: while the lane was pushed iVIEWBOT: so i was 100% helping him iVIEWBOT: he doesnt realize it tho i guess iVIEWBOT: taking farm is a part of shoving to reset the wave iVIEWBOT: shoving to reset the wave was the right play iVIEWBOT: there was a risk lee could have ganked you 1v2 iVIEWBOT: while your lane was pushed iVIEWBOT: if i shove to reset your wave, some EXP is shared iVIEWBOT: thats how league works iVIEWBOT: i cant change how exp is shared by minions iVIEWBOT: im playing iVIEWBOT: i cant be in 3 lanes at the same time iVIEWBOT: junglers are used to being blamed tho. ima just focus on the game. iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now. iVIEWBOT: simply reporting doesnt get people banned. thank god iVIEWBOT: you have to actually do something bannable to be banned, thankfully iVIEWBOT: proof = this account isnt banned iVIEWBOT: feel free to report me tho im sure it will help you feel better iVIEWBOT: ima focus on the game now iVIEWBOT: blue isnt gromp iVIEWBOT: i dont report people. we all came into this game trying to win, doing our best iVIEWBOT: so im cool with all of you iVIEWBOT: but both teams are trying to win . 1 team gets outplayed and loses iVIEWBOT: its how a game works. so its nothing to be angry about iVIEWBOT: i dont get emotional over it. so thats why i dont report people iVIEWBOT: i know you all came into this game trying to win. so why should i get mad at you? iVIEWBOT: im not mad. i dont report people iVIEWBOT: should i get mad EVERY TIME laners lose lane? iVIEWBOT: no iVIEWBOT: everyones trying to win iVIEWBOT: dont have to get mad every time i lose. that would be mentally draining etc

33 Comments

Insidi0us6 votes

I honestly do not think that what you did that game is worthy of a perma ban or even a punishment. One tip for you is to just mute everybody and DO NOT type in chat. Because the hole player base is full of sensitive fake people who will tilt you and at some point get you perma banned like myself. So just mute everybody and don't type sh*t.

Hoenheim7773 votes

{quoted}

I honestly do not think that what you did that game is worthy of a perma ban or even a punishment. One tip for you is to just mute everybody and DO NOT type in chat. Because the hole player base is full of sensitive fake people who will tilt you and at some point get you perma banned like myself. So just mute everybody and don't type sh*t.

Funny that you are getting downvoted for what is basically the only good advice to give in this situation. Constantly, and I mean constantly, I get matched with players that harass me with pings and sarcastic remarks all game attempting to tilt or push you over the edge. These players never get banned because they are using the politically correct flame. Meanwhile if anything they say, or the consistency of their flame ever gets on your nerves and you respond with anything remotely explicit or not politically correct you get banned and they walk away unscathed. The only real solution is to mute all every game.

ClevelandfCj1 votes

{quoted}

Funny that you are getting downvoted for what is basically the only good advice to give in this situation. Constantly, and I mean constantly, I get matched with players that harass me with pings and sarcastic remarks all game attempting to tilt or push you over the edge. These players never get banned because they are using the politically correct flame. Meanwhile if anything they say, or the consistency of their flame ever gets on your nerves and you respond with anything remotely explicit or not politically correct you get banned and they walk away unscathed. The only real solution is to mute all every game.

upvoted! All the douchey whiteknighting SJWs in this game/forum are unbearable! Mute Mute Mute!

BTW half the fun is trying to fly under the radar when someone is passive aggressive trolling you. Do the same back! Its the challenge and I accept!

AeroWaffle5 votes

Your title is a little confusing.

Which is it, are you permabanned or are you chat restricted?

Umbral Regent7 votes

I felt the same way, thankfully OP explained it in the body;

because if i was flagged once, it means this chat is permaban worthy and will result in a permaban if i keep doing it (thus, i simply wont do it anymore)

He got chat restricted, but he knows that that means something about his chat would inevitably lead to a permaban.

Pandimane4 votes

oh yeah i forgot to say the funny part

riots msg to me was something like "we punish players who are in the 3% who constantly go off and rage in the chat"

im reading that and thinking... LMAOOOO im in the 3% with my chatlogs. ohhh boyyy

Umbral Regent3 votes

Well, let's see.

iVIEWBOT: damage items wont do anything on rakan. his kit isnt designed to put out damage iVIEWBOT: but whatever. his kits about tanking and peeling

I'm gonna guess Rakan didn't ask you for build advice, so I'd count this as some negativity that led towards your punishment.

iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

While this wouldn't lead to a punishment, I still wanted to point it out as the epitome of irony. Even though it wouldn't lead to a punishment, it still seems that whenever it's said, the person seems to get punished.

iVIEWBOT: should i get mad EVERY TIME laners lose lane?

This is probably the only other potentially punishable line in the match, which means that your chat logs here are either spectacularly mild, or edited for one reason or another.

Even in the case of it being mild, though, it still would be grounds for a punishment if you've had a recent string of matches showcasing a negative or combative attitude, and, in general, despite how relaxed you were for the majority of the chat logs, it seems that you were a little too interested in going back and forth with your teammates.

I think I'd advise taking things up with Player Support - ask them why you got a chat restriction, and if you had games before this one that were flagged. Provided you're patient and respectful, it is entirely possible they find that the punishment was issued in error, or they could bring up information that you might have missed.

Trash Control3 votes

You're fishing for reportable offenses and this is the best you can find? Riot please. The only suspect part of these logs is that the OP claimed to have been reported in the majority of his games. Besides that I am reading a person trying to explain the game as he knows it to his teammates, trying to establish friendly rapport ("i'm cool with all of you"), and the entire exchange is mild-mannered. I'm sorry but you must have a stick so far up your ass that your heart is itching to punish this kind of behavior.

Umbral Regent5 votes

First of all, I'm not "fishing for reportable offenses" - the OP wants to have the community's input on their chat logs, and I'm pointing out what I feel most likely would have led to a punishment.

Second, I get the feeling you didn't read past the chat-log quoting, because I am actually in agreements that this chat log is exceedingly mild for one that would trigger a punishment. I've posited that the OP could have had a history of negativity leading towards this, but either way, they should contact Player Support for more information.

Rather than claiming that I have a stick up my ass, maybe you should take yours out and read what I said?

Trash Control2 votes

Cool. So we agree that

this chat log is exceedingly mild for one that would trigger a punishment.

My stick in the ass comment was referring directly to riot by the way, so i'm sorry if you took that personally. Having read your previous post, I'm disgusted that riot would punish such mild behavior when it's common knowledge that the lol community is toxic as a whole. This is really upsetting. Players who exhibit positive behavior in chat are being punished for it because it's tilting to the ones being negative.

Umbral Regent2 votes

My stick in the ass comment was referring directly to riot by the way, so i'm sorry if you took that personally.

Then, if your comment isn't directed to me, don't respond to me? I'm not sure why you replied to my comment if you weren't directing anything to me.

ModPeriscope3 votes

I think you're aware of how permabans work. You keep doing punishable stuff, and it eventually leads to a permaban. You already know this from your previously banned account.

Trash Control3 votes

I encounter players who are actually toxic and it's absurd to me that you've been chat restricted for those logs. Nothing about your behavior is toxic to me or preventative towards other players playing and enjoying the game. It seems like you actually make an effort to keep cool and relax your teammates. What is riot thinking to punish you for this? And what do they expect you to think? Should you just not type at all ever again in game? If that's how riot feels then they should completely remove the chat box so the truly toxic and abusive player comms don't have to be put up with. I mean GET REAL RIOT. There are real toxic players who I know aren't getting reported that name-call, gaybash, and use hatespeech but you are reporting this? These comms shouldn't bother anyone unless they themselves were the toxic ones provoking the OP in chat.

Pandimane2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mary Paul,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wkUeoqkc,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-28T18:31:24.458+0000)

I encounter players who are actually toxic and it's absurd to me that you've been chat restricted for those logs. Nothing about your behavior is toxic to me or preventative towards other players playing and enjoying the game. It seems like you actually make an effort to keep cool and relax your teammates. What is riot thinking to punish you for this? And what do they expect you to think? Should you just not type at all ever again in game? If that's how riot feels then they should completely remove the chat box so the truly toxic and abusive player comms don't have to be put up with. I mean GET REAL RIOT. There are real toxic players who I know aren't getting reported that name-call, gaybash, and use hatespeech but you are reporting this? These comms shouldn't bother anyone unless they themselves were the toxic ones provoking the OP in chat.

thats kinda what i was thinking lol

blew my mind because this is my ONLY punishment ever. only chat logs provided

i usually type MUCH less in game (like less than 6 lines) but this game i felt like typing a bit more because my team was HYPER RAGING AT ME and talking mad shit to me and putting absolute blame of the game on me, the jungler, and calling me garbage when i was legit just doing my best to win the game i wasnt even feeding/dying.

so since my team was hyper raging at me, i decided "eh guess ill talk back a little for one game" then i get chat restricted

i think its because i used the word "report" alot. "report" is probably a flag word

i simply will type nothing now. LOL

Trash Control3 votes

I was unjustly chat restricted from a similar situation. I've learned from some board regulars that "report" is a flag word so in future games if someone is being abusive and I want to get them to chill out I will only threaten to report them once. That being said, I still think it's absurd that players who are consistently honorable in their games can get punished for something as mild as this. Everyone has bad days. If these logs are you at your worst I can accept that and work with it in game. You seem like a player who if asked to chill you wouldn't have a problem doing so. You also seem like a player who actually thinks about their in-game actions and makes an effort to improve themselves, evidenced by you posting this here and asking for the opinions of others. I'm really shocked that riot would chat restrict you for this.

Awf Meta3 votes

Please file a support ticket. Then update the thread with screenshots.

Pandimane2 votes

ok. ill try to clarify what i mean by the permaban part

EVERY PUNISHABLE ACTION, in riots eyes, period, is "permaban worthy". however riots gives multiple chances.

so at the first punishable action, its chat restriction, then if you get more strike its a permaban

so my point here is that the above chatlogs, if they happen in more and more games, will result in a permaban since thats how riots system work

so my question is, pretty much, does riot really think the above chat should be "permaban worthy?"

in my opinion, no

but based on riots system, it is, and i find that to be pretty funnny

right now im just going with a "never type, ever" policy, since apparently the above chat which i see as "nontoxic" in my view is permaban worthy/toxic in riots system/view

therefore, if i am apparently unable to judge what IS or ISNT toxic chat, my solution is now to type literally nothing

i just find that all to be pretty hilarious, in my opinion, since i consider myself to be a very bright, positive, and nice person lol

i admit that on the internet i do enjoy acting smug / "full of myself" / "like my farts dont stink" . but i do that without directly being mean and directly insulting other people. its more of a personal comedy thing. thats my type of comedy.

most ragers "downspeak" others. but in my opinion thats pretty boring / stale / played out / stupid. so for me, instead of "downspeaking" others and calling other people bad/trash, i instead like to "upspeak" myself and call myself "godly"/"superior to others" / "the ultimate specimen of humanity" / etc . but i guess now i cant express myself in a fun online game environment (in league anyway) or i risk getting banned

i dont act that way in real life. but its fun to do on the internet

Dolyna1 votes

{quoted}

so my point here is that the above chatlogs, if they happen in more and more games, will result in a permaban since thats how riots system work

Unless you were punished for lobby chat. Is that a possibility here?

ClevelandfCj2 votes

Yeah, I dunno man..... its starting to seem like just # reports/frequency of getting reported has some kind of weighting that it didnt in the past.... or perhaps postgame chat is now included in the automated behavior system when it wasnt in seasons before? Im curious to find out what support says to you. Please follow up on this post!

Telephone Booth2 votes

Yeah next time just take your own advice and "focus on the game", not debating what was the right move in the past.

Xaintrix2 votes

Did you carry the conversation into post game chat where potential breaches could occur? The forward facing logs don't show those. We don't have the whole story, but just the above if unadulterated look pretty tame.

Dolyna1 votes

I don't see how this is worthy of punishment... unless you said something nastier in the lobby before or after the game. (The lobby chat is looked at, but it currently can't be included in the chatlog they send you, so the default is just to send you the game chatlog.)

Pandimane1 votes

i dont care much about the chat restriction

is mostly that riot took away my "free rewards" because im "toxic" apparently. lol

YerroFever1 votes

The title of your thread is:

chat restricted. does riot really think this is permban worthy? riot pls respond

You know chat restrictions are not the same as permabans, right?

Trash Control2 votes

I understand how the title is misleading but I think the OP is concerned about what exactly his egregious behavior is because should he continue to exhibit said behavior it may result in a permaban.

YerroFever1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mary Paul,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wkUeoqkc,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-02-28T19:48:06.743+0000)

I understand how the title is misleading but I think the OP is concerned about what exactly his egregious behavior is because should he continue to exhibit said behavior it may result in a permaban.

But that's how ALL negative behavior is characterized. If you continuously to go against Riot's rules of conduct, then you may be permanently banned for knowingly and intentionally breaking the rules after being informed of wrong conduct.

So rather than asking the forum "oh what in here was considered against Riot's rules" he phrases his inquiry as "is my chat worthy of a permaban?"

If we were to answer his question as stated, then the answer would be "yes, if you continued to do it and then got punishment elevations because you didn't listen to the lower punishments and didn't try to learn from your mistakes."

Now if he were to ask it "what in my chat got me punished so I can avoid getting permabanned," that is constructive and I would be more likely to point out what I believe is what got him the lightest punishment in league there is.

I'm not commenting on the chat log because he doesn't seem to want feedback on his chat log. He's just upset he lost access to getting keys for free and doesn't care that he got chat restricted.

EvilDustMan1 votes

Submit a support ticket, I think something fucky is going on. Might be you, might be them.

Fegone1 votes

Oh the irony: iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

Seriously though, while i usually read other's chat logs and give my 2 cents on why they rightfully got banned or punished, in your case i really can't see anything that would suffice to issue a punishment. just calm and smooth answers, nothing toxic, also not too much chat as to where someone would claim you're posting walls of text. I'd be interested to know how Riot justifies this.

ModPeriscope1 votes

iVIEWBOT: since i dont break the rules == dont get banned :) ima focus on the game now.

I feel like this sums up why you were punished. It's passive aggressive. Not designed to directly insult someone, but you said it to get under someone's skin. Other lines that were similar to this:

iVIEWBOT: so i was 100% helping him iVIEWBOT: he doesnt realize it tho i guess iVIEWBOT: thankfully riot doesnt ban me even tho i am reported hundreds of times a day by every team iVIEWBOT: simply reporting doesnt get people banned. thank god iVIEWBOT: you have to actually do something bannable to be banned, thankfully iVIEWBOT: proof = this account isnt banned iVIEWBOT: feel free to report me tho im sure it will help you feel better

I am interested to hear what support says back to you. I think this could go either way, but I'm thinking this log is neutral-negative. You did give some good advice about shoving lane, but there's a lot of useless/neutral chat about reports, as well as the negative chat that I highlighted.

Zenturian1 votes

One of my alt accounts got a chat restriction for a similar log, minus the build advice and with less responses in game. Rioter told me I should have chose not to respond at all. Pointing out I wasn't breaking any rules and that the raging players behavior was "ironic" justified thepunishment. It was laughable.

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by Pandimane

dear riot. point click cc is NOT "unhealthy" or "bad design"
Gameplay10 comments
3
votes
ardent censor support swain- everyone reading this do it now
Gameplay2 comments
3
votes
why removing baron would massively increase the fun/entertainment of the game (and pro play)
Gameplay9 comments
2
votes
design/balance - THE TEAMFIGHT META - do you like it? can it be improved?
Gameplay1 comments
1
votes
massive, annoying, yet simple bug riot needs to fix
Gameplay1 comments
1
votes
does kayle get full conQ even tho shes ranged?
Gameplay3 comments
1
votes