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I truly believe I was wrongfully banned. Please tell me what you think.

GodCarry·5/11/2018, 4:14:34 AM·157 votes·29,468 views

Edit: I would love to get a public Riot response to add some legitimacy to my thread.

I just got permanently banned after one game. It's been a month since my two week ban and I have only played one other game in that time (premade with voice, no toxicity, and limited chat). I believe I was not toxic at all this game.

Below is my complete, unedited reform card, and at the end of this post is some background info and Riot Support's response. I'm going to interject my own commentary in Bold to give some context to the state of the game. I am only providing reasoning behind my communications, I don't wish to justify any perceived negativity.

Game 1 I died to Graves/Yasuo mid, and my Ahri (who was already mad over no voice and didn't help) got mad and spam pinged me. --GodCarry: :) --GodCarry: going to play my normal play style now --GodCarry: no flame pls glhf I died mid lane again, same circumstances and outcome, and Graves took my entire top side jungle. --GodCarry: rly? --GodCarry: ok --GodCarry: not rly sure how to win now glhjf --GodCarry: idk jsut died to ur lane twice --GodCarry: annoying but its fin Team is harassing me for not using voice, and for looking for a team without wanting to use voice. --GodCarry: comms wont matter I was diamond over a year ago, but I needed to say something to make myself feel better while I'm being harassed and playing poorly. --GodCarry: cuz imd iamond 1 --GodCarry: mute dlal My support (the leader of the group) is continuing to question why he should play with someone without comms instead of any random player. --GodCarry: cuz no one will try as hard as me to win. thatsg why glkhf --GodCarry: dont flame me. --GodCarry: i didnt flame you Ahri is spam pinging me and AFKing in lane, clearly beyond tilted, so I unmuted to speak to him and try to explain what happened. --GodCarry: unmuted --GodCarry: speak to me --GodCarry: i was annoyed by dying to ur lane --GodCarry: didnt blame or flame --GodCarry: dont be sensiive I was killed at 30% HP by only enemy Camille's E. --GodCarry: nice E dmg --GodCarry: take it Camille begins to harass me for my above comment to her. --GodCarry: i am useless after the 0/2 --GodCarry: ? --GodCarry: youre lucky your mid got a free lead. --GodCarry: lol --GodCarry: second time ive ever been this behind on kayn... --GodCarry: thank god crits getting nerfed <3 Now half the players in the game are harassing me in all chat and team chat... --GodCarry: nice flame all. --GodCarry: it is I was still confident we could win despite me being like 1/8, so I tried to reassure my team. --GodCarry: theyre goijng to get smashed --GodCarry: i feel bad. Our support says it's a red flag that I don't want to use voice in game. --GodCarry: do i? --GodCarry: how do? --GodCarry: distracting. --GodCarry: dont see how its a red alert? --GodCarry: idk --GodCarry: look up iiiigravesiiii --GodCarry: then look up --GodCarry: rnk1 --GodCarry: and then --GodCarry: realize The support is still harassing me, the team is still spam pinging me, and the game is still becoming increasingly toxic. The group leader created this toxic game by turning everyone against me for not using Discord voice. I hope no one reading this believes calling a bully a moron is bannable. I'm not harassing this person, I'm standing up for myself. --GodCarry: youre a moron --GodCarry: for trash talking someone --GodCarry: for wanting to focus on the game --GodCarry: and for having a bad game --GodCarry: youre just toxic,. --GodCarry: muted again! This msg was in team chat. I told my team to enjoy the free win, because despite me dying so many times, I still knew I could make an impact and possibly carry the game. --GodCarry: enjoy the free win :) --GodCarry: solid burst comp! --GodCarry: lol At this point I popped my first surrender vote and said "gg wp all" after we lost a fight. I still thought we could win, but I was kind of hoping my team might vote yes so I could get out of the toxic game. The flame still hasn't stopped. --GodCarry: Gg wp all --GodCarry: honestly had u not flamed me --GodCarry: i prolly woulda played a bit better Funny how pre-game, the leader support was telling me about how they couldn't keep people in their premade for very long. I wonder why... --GodCarry: these 4 wonder why they cant keep a random in their premade --GodCarry: yikes --GodCarry: never been flamed so hard ov er 0/2 Enemy Camille says I've been flaming. --GodCarry: im not --GodCarry: havent one time --GodCarry: you delusional? --GodCarry: chat is not flame. --GodCarry: XD --GodCarry: klmao --GodCarry: yikes --GodCarry: toxic game unfun Camille says they aren't being toxic towards me.... --GodCarry: ill ask riot. --GodCarry: good try! --GodCarry: flaming didnt make me play any better --GodCarry: :) Still confused as to why I'm being harassed in chat for looking for a serious team without voice. I spent a good amount of time writing my LF Team post, it wasn't a joke to me. --GodCarry: gl finding someone who sticks around --GodCarry: when you berate them --GodCarry: i didnt write up that post for memes --GodCarry: clearly you think i did., We finally won a fight, as a team, and we all played it well. --GodCarry: told u we win --GodCarry: We are better players. --GodCarry: with bad earlyu gham,e./ I had to make a cheeky comment at everyone in the game for the harassment they were spewing all game. I was kind of hyped after we won despite being so far behind. --GodCarry: nice flame btw.

Response from Riot Support (03:51:51 AM) SupportAgent: Sadly, you engaged in negativity with players in your game that were flaming, and called them out for their behavior (03:52:18 AM) SupportAgent: generally when we engage with those that are being negative (IE calling them out for being negative, or calling them morons) we are furthering the negativity in our games (03:52:30 AM) SupportAgent: this does sadly break our terms of use, and the penalty is justified :(

This rule is so loose and subject to opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if they used it to justify 100% of disputed bans. For the most part, I don't believe I engaged in negativity, however one single message out of frustration could be construed as an insult.

Background Info I played one normal game yesterday with a very friendly premade. The game went well and no one would have reported me. Today, I played a ranked flex game with a premade I found through my "LF Serious Flex Group" post. I specifically said in my post "No mic." and I made sure that the group leader had read my post and felt I was a good fit for their group. He didn't see that I didn't want to use comms in game. So we queue up, get into champ select, and I tell them I'm going to leave voice until the game is over. They became extremely frustrated before I disconnected from Discord.

Once we got into game, my teammates were clearly tilted, spam pinging me to gank and spam pinging me the instant I died. After this is when I sent my first message in the game. They began flaming me in chat, questioning why I wouldn't use voice and questioning why I queued with a team in the first place. At this point, the game felt so toxic I didn't even want to be there.

I ended the game with equal damage to my two carries. It felt good to know I wasn't completely carried by my team. I ended with a poor KDA, but I played the best I could at all points in the game and managed to contribute a fair amount to my team's success.

I also realize muting all may have been the best option for team success and for my own mental health, but muting all and ignoring harassment is never a requirement. I preferred to defend myself and I feel I did so in an okay way. In my opinion, I wasn't toxic this game. I wouldn't have spent all this time disputing my reform card if I didn't truly believe that. Please tell me what you think!

351 Comments

u n me5/11/2018, 4:22:49 AM73 votes

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Naalith5/11/2018, 4:56:28 AM38 votes

I'm gonna say you shouldn't have been banned for this. I think it shouldn't be against the rules to defend yourself in the first place (however mild the defense may be) but you didn't flame them at all. Even myself who is generally positive has a few sarcastic quips at flamers from time to time, you've done literally nothing wrong besides the moron comment potentially. But honestly if we're banning for the word moron now in an entire game of messages... that's just stupid.

Soon I'm gonna get banned for saying "ty for leash" whenever I steal a Baron or Dragon in all chat if this is the rate we're going.

Shukr4n5/11/2018, 4:29:17 AM19 votes

Well After 14d ban which state t hat every break of rules even if mild take to perma And u say someone he s a moron And spam chat with useless stuff pointing at players instead of thinking to just play... Well.. getting forum consensus wont lift the ban i suppose.

ÁCTION IS COMING5/11/2018, 5:09:15 AM16 votes

So this guy gets banned for calling someone a moron. I don't play league much, but I've encountered at least a hundred people more toxic than this guy. I played a game on a new account with my friends a couple days ago and this guy that thought we were bming when we weren't.He added my friend after the game and started flaming him and saying he was D3. After my friend blocked him HE ADDED HIM ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT TO FLAME HIM. Like seriously, if a scumbag like him can play league without getting banned, OP here should be unbanned and thoroughly compensated. I wasn't gonna post on boards because of my name, but the Injustice here shouldn't even be allowed.

Just stop with the tribunal crap and make it so that a player get's a two week ban if he gets reported by at least two people from both teams.

Alicetaria5/11/2018, 9:03:07 AM16 votes

"You engaged them by calling them out on their behaviour"

holy fuck, this support team is an embarrassment, that's what happens when someone flames you, you tell them they're flaming, just like the support team is supposed to ban the fucking flamers, no wonder this game is dying.

Hong Phan5/11/2018, 10:48:51 AM12 votes

Yes you deserve your ban . Clearly you love to type (you made this post) , and clearly you think you're in the right ( you made this post looking for people to support you even though you are wrong) . I like how you go into such detail about the final straw that got you banned but totally gloss over the fact you just came back from a 14 d ban. Why don't you go into tons of detail about that ? Oh did I mention you just got back from a 14 d ban !!?? That was a stern warning from riot and your first game back you call someone a moron. Sorry you got banned but this didn't happen over night. I'm guessing many people have reported you many times over many games and it finally bit you.

Lauchmelder5/11/2018, 6:52:41 AM11 votes

You were mildly annoying this game, but in no way does that warrant a permaban. I don't think that even deserves a minor chat restriction...

NA Darklarik5/11/2018, 7:00:03 AM11 votes

asuming this is trully your report card, i dont see a real reason to ban you unless you where intentionally feeding or trolling in some way we cant observe via chat. Hell, i wouldent even think this warrants a chat restriccion, even if you do talk a lot.

This is sort of why i miss the tribunal.

Arisha the Dark5/11/2018, 5:10:40 AM10 votes

Ok, lets see. You got 10 games chat restriction, 25 games chat restriction and 14 days ban... And you kept on arguing with people. It's not about this 1 ban being just or unjust, it's about this 1 match proving that you are not interested in reforming your behaviour.

MF is my Waifu5/11/2018, 7:01:40 AM9 votes

I got a 10 game chat restriction for saying worse. Unban this dude. How exactly did "moron" justify a permaban, Riot? Somehow the game is still full of people talking way worse trash than this. Work on your system please.

IxozieI5/11/2018, 3:43:42 PM8 votes

This just shows how poorly designed their system is. They fail to account for the punishment that will be handed out when determining if you are guilty or not. In no universe is a permaban justified for what you said, regardless of what you were punished for beforehand. It's why these punishment tiers are idiotic, because not all offenses are worthy of the same punishment.

Let's say someone served 15 years of prison for running into someone while drunk driving. He gets out, then he gets caught smoking weed. You don't say "oh let's give him life in prison since he had to serve 15 years last time". That's just absurd.

Should you have shut up and muted everyone? Absolutely. Is your failure to do that worthy of a permaban? Absolutely NOT.

Smitty Manjensen5/11/2018, 8:37:08 AM8 votes

Seems like people don't get it why he was banned, it doesn't matter if he wasn't toxic as some other people, he was punished 3 times before, now his account is basically flagged for the slightest toxicity which will result in a permaban, and I can guarantee he got a warning of that in his last punishment, also I don't get this community, calling someone a moron is apparently not toxic for some reason. I doubt you would smile and shake someones hand if he called you a moron on the street. That's clearly toxic behavior, if he wasn't punished before then 1 mishap wouldn't be enough for a punishment, but he was repeatedly toxic in the past.

Votable Jester5/11/2018, 5:31:52 AM6 votes

Are you sure nobody else played on your account while you weren't (like you weren't hacked)? It's possible that that happened and earned you smaller punishments up to the 14 day ban before this, making the next punishment (this one) permaban regardless of how small it was.

If not, idk, but with the attention this post is getting, you'll likely get a Rioter to respond.

Spank the Fox5/11/2018, 11:23:51 AM6 votes

I don’t understand why you can’t copy and paste the actual screenshots of the ban from the client

Too many people omit lines to stay in good light.

This Is Your Dad5/11/2018, 5:44:52 AM5 votes

I think you should mute them instead of saying you will in chat, but I think this is supposed to be a learning experience. What you've said in chat isn't even really an offensive defense, more of an attempt to show that you're a chill dude and you are going to do you. I think being with a premade, as much as it doesn't matter how many reports you get does somewhat influence the attention you receive upon instigating a manual review. I think you need to be given a chance to adjust to your new punishment tier and that this level of toxicity isn't demonstrative of your desire to return to whatever behavior warranted a 14 day ban, but rather a proactive attempt to redefine your character so as to become a better person and avoid future punishments. As such I believe that you should be given another chance and that if you are given another chance, you should tone your overall chat down volumewise until you are in the clear and off the radar. Then that level of chat will not even net you a chat restriction unless it is frequent enough.

Flashes5/12/2018, 8:06:28 PM5 votes

Soooo uhhhh

They banned you and proceeded to not tell you whether the others actually got punished for their flaming.

:Think: