I truly believe I was wrongfully banned. Please tell me what you think.

GodCarry·May 11, 2018·157 votes·29,468 views

Edit: I would love to get a public Riot response to add some legitimacy to my thread.

I just got permanently banned after one game. It's been a month since my two week ban and I have only played one other game in that time (premade with voice, no toxicity, and limited chat). I believe I was not toxic at all this game.

Below is my complete, unedited reform card, and at the end of this post is some background info and Riot Support's response. I'm going to interject my own commentary in Bold to give some context to the state of the game. I am only providing reasoning behind my communications, I don't wish to justify any perceived negativity.

Game 1 I died to Graves/Yasuo mid, and my Ahri (who was already mad over no voice and didn't help) got mad and spam pinged me. --GodCarry: :) --GodCarry: going to play my normal play style now --GodCarry: no flame pls glhf I died mid lane again, same circumstances and outcome, and Graves took my entire top side jungle. --GodCarry: rly? --GodCarry: ok --GodCarry: not rly sure how to win now glhjf --GodCarry: idk jsut died to ur lane twice --GodCarry: annoying but its fin Team is harassing me for not using voice, and for looking for a team without wanting to use voice. --GodCarry: comms wont matter I was diamond over a year ago, but I needed to say something to make myself feel better while I'm being harassed and playing poorly. --GodCarry: cuz imd iamond 1 --GodCarry: mute dlal My support (the leader of the group) is continuing to question why he should play with someone without comms instead of any random player. --GodCarry: cuz no one will try as hard as me to win. thatsg why glkhf --GodCarry: dont flame me. --GodCarry: i didnt flame you Ahri is spam pinging me and AFKing in lane, clearly beyond tilted, so I unmuted to speak to him and try to explain what happened. --GodCarry: unmuted --GodCarry: speak to me --GodCarry: i was annoyed by dying to ur lane --GodCarry: didnt blame or flame --GodCarry: dont be sensiive I was killed at 30% HP by only enemy Camille's E. --GodCarry: nice E dmg --GodCarry: take it Camille begins to harass me for my above comment to her. --GodCarry: i am useless after the 0/2 --GodCarry: ? --GodCarry: youre lucky your mid got a free lead. --GodCarry: lol --GodCarry: second time ive ever been this behind on kayn... --GodCarry: thank god crits getting nerfed <3 Now half the players in the game are harassing me in all chat and team chat... --GodCarry: nice flame all. --GodCarry: it is I was still confident we could win despite me being like 1/8, so I tried to reassure my team. --GodCarry: theyre goijng to get smashed --GodCarry: i feel bad. Our support says it's a red flag that I don't want to use voice in game. --GodCarry: do i? --GodCarry: how do? --GodCarry: distracting. --GodCarry: dont see how its a red alert? --GodCarry: idk --GodCarry: look up iiiigravesiiii --GodCarry: then look up --GodCarry: rnk1 --GodCarry: and then --GodCarry: realize The support is still harassing me, the team is still spam pinging me, and the game is still becoming increasingly toxic. The group leader created this toxic game by turning everyone against me for not using Discord voice. I hope no one reading this believes calling a bully a moron is bannable. I'm not harassing this person, I'm standing up for myself. --GodCarry: youre a moron --GodCarry: for trash talking someone --GodCarry: for wanting to focus on the game --GodCarry: and for having a bad game --GodCarry: youre just toxic,. --GodCarry: muted again! This msg was in team chat. I told my team to enjoy the free win, because despite me dying so many times, I still knew I could make an impact and possibly carry the game. --GodCarry: enjoy the free win :) --GodCarry: solid burst comp! --GodCarry: lol At this point I popped my first surrender vote and said "gg wp all" after we lost a fight. I still thought we could win, but I was kind of hoping my team might vote yes so I could get out of the toxic game. The flame still hasn't stopped. --GodCarry: Gg wp all --GodCarry: honestly had u not flamed me --GodCarry: i prolly woulda played a bit better Funny how pre-game, the leader support was telling me about how they couldn't keep people in their premade for very long. I wonder why... --GodCarry: these 4 wonder why they cant keep a random in their premade --GodCarry: yikes --GodCarry: never been flamed so hard ov er 0/2 Enemy Camille says I've been flaming. --GodCarry: im not --GodCarry: havent one time --GodCarry: you delusional? --GodCarry: chat is not flame. --GodCarry: XD --GodCarry: klmao --GodCarry: yikes --GodCarry: toxic game unfun Camille says they aren't being toxic towards me.... --GodCarry: ill ask riot. --GodCarry: good try! --GodCarry: flaming didnt make me play any better --GodCarry: :) Still confused as to why I'm being harassed in chat for looking for a serious team without voice. I spent a good amount of time writing my LF Team post, it wasn't a joke to me. --GodCarry: gl finding someone who sticks around --GodCarry: when you berate them --GodCarry: i didnt write up that post for memes --GodCarry: clearly you think i did., We finally won a fight, as a team, and we all played it well. --GodCarry: told u we win --GodCarry: We are better players. --GodCarry: with bad earlyu gham,e./ I had to make a cheeky comment at everyone in the game for the harassment they were spewing all game. I was kind of hyped after we won despite being so far behind. --GodCarry: nice flame btw.

Response from Riot Support (03:51:51 AM) SupportAgent: Sadly, you engaged in negativity with players in your game that were flaming, and called them out for their behavior (03:52:18 AM) SupportAgent: generally when we engage with those that are being negative (IE calling them out for being negative, or calling them morons) we are furthering the negativity in our games (03:52:30 AM) SupportAgent: this does sadly break our terms of use, and the penalty is justified :(

This rule is so loose and subject to opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if they used it to justify 100% of disputed bans. For the most part, I don't believe I engaged in negativity, however one single message out of frustration could be construed as an insult.

Background Info I played one normal game yesterday with a very friendly premade. The game went well and no one would have reported me. Today, I played a ranked flex game with a premade I found through my "LF Serious Flex Group" post. I specifically said in my post "No mic." and I made sure that the group leader had read my post and felt I was a good fit for their group. He didn't see that I didn't want to use comms in game. So we queue up, get into champ select, and I tell them I'm going to leave voice until the game is over. They became extremely frustrated before I disconnected from Discord.

Once we got into game, my teammates were clearly tilted, spam pinging me to gank and spam pinging me the instant I died. After this is when I sent my first message in the game. They began flaming me in chat, questioning why I wouldn't use voice and questioning why I queued with a team in the first place. At this point, the game felt so toxic I didn't even want to be there.

I ended the game with equal damage to my two carries. It felt good to know I wasn't completely carried by my team. I ended with a poor KDA, but I played the best I could at all points in the game and managed to contribute a fair amount to my team's success.

I also realize muting all may have been the best option for team success and for my own mental health, but muting all and ignoring harassment is never a requirement. I preferred to defend myself and I feel I did so in an okay way. In my opinion, I wasn't toxic this game. I wouldn't have spent all this time disputing my reform card if I didn't truly believe that. Please tell me what you think!

351 Comments

u n meMay 11, 201873 votes

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AzthortMay 11, 201860 votes

For real lol he wasn't even toxic. What a joke of a ban

Rude NameMay 11, 201820 votes

Usually, a Rioter comes along and states the ban wasn't just because if this.

IMO it's an iceberg, and there's a lot more under the water.

Of course, this might not be the case, and if so, it's definitely unfair.

DoktorKaiserMay 11, 201832 votes

Annoying is not bannable, not even for a 10 game chat ban. There is a mute button which should solve even the worst of flamers, let alone annoying people. Meanwhile trolls are running rampant.

Creepy snekMay 11, 201811 votes

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A NunuMay 11, 20187 votes

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Looks like he just got unlucky to me, bro. :^) Riot Support just responded with a copy/paste answer, not even reading the actual problem or request was.. Like always.

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glamorousJoreyxEMay 11, 201819 votes

Imagine how annoying it was listening to his whole team flame him all game. He kept it cool but the system dragged him down. Press F for a brother.

ChermorgMay 11, 201841 votes

I am replying here as a moderator, not on the thread subject at all. You are not permitted to continue deleting and recreating your post on PB in an attempt to "game" the visibility of it to try and make people see it. If you continue to do this, we will simply remove your threads in the future. This is to be your final new post on this matter until sufficient time has passed to merit a new discussion (that time is based on response and "staleness", but is certainly more than a week for almost all topics).

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Mob PiruMay 11, 201863 votes

oh shut uplmao u people take this shit way to seriously like do u even get paid for this

BeatzBoyFTWMay 11, 201817 votes

I mean it's like threads that gets 10 downvotes, and then OP deletes & repost it just to get 10 upvotes instead.

Don't you think this kind of method just looks....bitchy?

Child of the PitMay 11, 201812 votes

OP said he reposted it once to add a poll to his post which he forgot to add in his first one, so no, i don't see it bitchy.

BeatzBoyFTWMay 11, 20187 votes

We know, except one thing: Chermog did not know this, and OP did not stated this at all in his main thread.

So theoretically, when Chermog stated the reposting warning, my comment became much relevant before OP explained his part.

GodCarryMay 11, 201846 votes

I reposted it once after 5 minutes to add a poll to the post. It won't happen again.

OatheSwornMay 11, 201816 votes

That is unfortunate. Don't think you should or could have been banned in any way, sometimes people have transparent skins and can't take even the smallest butt-hurt on their worst day. I'd try to keep talking to people to try and get this ban lifted but Riot makes all the decisions here :/

NaalithMay 11, 201838 votes

I'm gonna say you shouldn't have been banned for this. I think it shouldn't be against the rules to defend yourself in the first place (however mild the defense may be) but you didn't flame them at all. Even myself who is generally positive has a few sarcastic quips at flamers from time to time, you've done literally nothing wrong besides the moron comment potentially. But honestly if we're banning for the word moron now in an entire game of messages... that's just stupid.

Soon I'm gonna get banned for saying "ty for leash" whenever I steal a Baron or Dragon in all chat if this is the rate we're going.

GodCarryMay 11, 201814 votes

I enjoy making sarcastic comments like that, but by their definitions, even sarcastic quips could be considered toxic and bannable. Chat needs to be tailored to only allowing game-related text if that's the route they want to take it. Banning people for straying away from game chat is wrong, and that's where we're headed.

Shukr4nMay 11, 201819 votes

Well After 14d ban which state t hat every break of rules even if mild take to perma And u say someone he s a moron And spam chat with useless stuff pointing at players instead of thinking to just play... Well.. getting forum consensus wont lift the ban i suppose.

GodCarryMay 11, 201831 votes

I got a 14 day ban one month ago. After this one game, I was permanently banned. I didn't flame anyone, I told the support he was a moron for flaming me over not using voice and playing poorly.

This might not be a popular opinion, but even if I did directly call him a moron, I don't think that should be punishable.

Shukr4nMay 11, 201820 votes

Well as u can clearly see popular or unpopular opinions doesnt mattet. What u believe doesnt matter. What matter is u could chose Mute all Press enter.

And u chosed to press enter. There are rules u agreed when creating your account. There s a message in the 14d ban that reming your last chance.

Why somone with a 14d ban stll chat is beyond any logic

GodCarryMay 11, 201829 votes

Why someone thinks that a person shouldn't speak up for themselves because they just got off a time-out is beyond me. I wasn't aggressive or abusive towards this person who chose to turn the whole lobby against me and make my game a toxic cesspool for 30 minutes. I insinuated he was a moron for his actions and that one single message was perma-ban worthy. That is not acceptable.

AetherArisingMay 11, 201814 votes

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Why someone thinks that a person shouldn't speak up for themselves because they just got off a time-out is beyond me. I wasn't aggressive or abusive towards this person who chose to turn the whole lobby against me and make my game a toxic cesspool for 30 minutes. I insinuated she was a moron for her actions and that one single message was perma-ban worthy. That is not acceptable.

I gotta agree with you man.

i've seen a bunch of people getting SLAMMED with penalties lately for non-worthy games, one dude got banned for just being mildly annoying and saying he muted people.

honestly, best option is to just mute chat from everyone every game or dont respond in ANY toxic fashion, impossible as that sounds. People will be apes and abuse your own words against you, and since the game's too huge riot gave up on fairly moderating it. If you're pissed at a game, just say what you would type aloud to yourself and don't press Enter once.

GodCarryMay 11, 201813 votes

Well the system appears to be learning over time, but it's out of control. I likely got slammed with 6+ reports in this one game and it got me instant punished. All the system sees are trigger words like "moron" and "toxic."

The community can't reasonably expect someone to be completely calm and composed in a toxic game where they're being ganged up on. I think I did a pretty damn good job here.

FUUUBAAARMay 11, 20185 votes

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Why someone thinks that a person shouldn't speak up for themselves because they just got off a time-out is beyond me. I wasn't aggressive or abusive towards this person who chose to turn the whole lobby against me and make my game a toxic cesspool for 30 minutes. I insinuated he was a moron for his actions and that one single message was perma-ban worthy. That is not acceptable.

To be frank, you were already in trouble, and instead of choosing the very reasonable option of muting the person you'll never meet that clearly just wants to beak off (which for me would render anything they say and their opinions on all matters insignificant until such time as they calmed down and regained their mental functions) you responded and made the situation worse, so when the group of toxic malcontents all reported you together and you had still technically committed an offense, you got banned. It sucks that happened to you, but it's already kind of a running joke in the community how much crap people get away with, if Riot didn't at least punish you, how could they continue to defend their position that they take harassment seriously? If you reported them back, and they really did harass you so bad, I doubt they weren't punished in kind, but due to lack of transparency in the system, no one outside Riot will ever know if they were also punished regardless.

It's a crappy thing when a system meant to try and protect decent folk from nasty hatemongers gets used to take down someone who doesn't deserve it, but it does happen (especially if the hatemongers can find something like return-fire from you to blur the line as to who's really the victim). Keep posting, keep reaching out, and hopefully you can get the ban lifted. Best of luck to you mate, and for the rest of us, let's try to remember nothing's perfect and keep our noses clean, yeah?

DirtyAsDubstepMay 11, 201826 votes

He didn't even call them a moron dude. It's a fragment of a bigger message. Who bans for the word moron lol

CashMoneyBillionMay 11, 201810 votes

Technically he did call them a moron, dude. Don't agree with the ban tho

ÁCTION IS COMINGMay 11, 201816 votes

So this guy gets banned for calling someone a moron. I don't play league much, but I've encountered at least a hundred people more toxic than this guy. I played a game on a new account with my friends a couple days ago and this guy that thought we were bming when we weren't.He added my friend after the game and started flaming him and saying he was D3. After my friend blocked him HE ADDED HIM ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT TO FLAME HIM. Like seriously, if a scumbag like him can play league without getting banned, OP here should be unbanned and thoroughly compensated. I wasn't gonna post on boards because of my name, but the Injustice here shouldn't even be allowed.

Just stop with the tribunal crap and make it so that a player get's a two week ban if he gets reported by at least two people from both teams.

Arisha the DarkMay 11, 201810 votes

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So this guy gets banned for calling someone a moron. I don't play league much, but I've encountered at least a hundred people more toxic than this guy. I played a game on a new account with my friends a couple days ago and this guy that thought we were bming when we weren't.He added my friend after the game and started flaming him and saying he was D3. After my friend blocked him HE ADDED HIM ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT TO FLAME HIM. Like seriously, if a scumbag like him can play league without getting banned, OP here should be unbanned and thoroughly compensated. I wasn't gonna post on boards because of my name, but the Injustice here shouldn't even be allowed.

Just stop with the tribunal crap and make it so that a player get's a two week ban if he gets reported by at least two people from both teams.

That is the worst idea ever. With so many pre-mades, they will just ask enemy team to report someone they don't like or just for fun and often there will be 2 players on enemy team just wanting to get someone banned.

It would be abused way to easily.

AlicetariaMay 11, 201816 votes

"You engaged them by calling them out on their behaviour"

holy fuck, this support team is an embarrassment, that's what happens when someone flames you, you tell them they're flaming, just like the support team is supposed to ban the fucking flamers, no wonder this game is dying.

Hong PhanMay 11, 201812 votes

Yes you deserve your ban . Clearly you love to type (you made this post) , and clearly you think you're in the right ( you made this post looking for people to support you even though you are wrong) . I like how you go into such detail about the final straw that got you banned but totally gloss over the fact you just came back from a 14 d ban. Why don't you go into tons of detail about that ? Oh did I mention you just got back from a 14 d ban !!?? That was a stern warning from riot and your first game back you call someone a moron. Sorry you got banned but this didn't happen over night. I'm guessing many people have reported you many times over many games and it finally bit you.

StackedTearMay 12, 20185 votes

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Yes you deserve your ban . Clearly you love to type (you made this post) , and clearly you think you're in the right ( you made this post looking for people to support you even though you are wrong) . I like how you go into such detail about the final straw that got you banned but totally gloss over the fact you just came back from a 14 d ban. Why don't you go into tons of detail about that ? Oh did I mention you just got back from a 14 d ban !!?? That was a stern warning from riot and your first game back you call someone a moron. Sorry you got banned but this didn't happen over night. I'm guessing many people have reported you many times over many games and it finally bit you.

He was pushed by the fact 5 players were flaming him constantly, he provided enough detail and no rioter provided us with his chat logs like they usually do when someone claims they are wrongfully banned, but who needs empathy or thinking out of the box when you can just take whatever riot does as right

LauchmelderMay 11, 201811 votes

You were mildly annoying this game, but in no way does that warrant a permaban. I don't think that even deserves a minor chat restriction...

NA DarklarikMay 11, 201811 votes

asuming this is trully your report card, i dont see a real reason to ban you unless you where intentionally feeding or trolling in some way we cant observe via chat. Hell, i wouldent even think this warrants a chat restriccion, even if you do talk a lot.

This is sort of why i miss the tribunal.

Arisha the DarkMay 11, 201810 votes

Ok, lets see. You got 10 games chat restriction, 25 games chat restriction and 14 days ban... And you kept on arguing with people. It's not about this 1 ban being just or unjust, it's about this 1 match proving that you are not interested in reforming your behaviour.

MF is my WaifuMay 11, 20189 votes

I got a 10 game chat restriction for saying worse. Unban this dude. How exactly did "moron" justify a permaban, Riot? Somehow the game is still full of people talking way worse trash than this. Work on your system please.

Smitty ManjensenMay 11, 20188 votes

Seems like people don't get it why he was banned, it doesn't matter if he wasn't toxic as some other people, he was punished 3 times before, now his account is basically flagged for the slightest toxicity which will result in a permaban, and I can guarantee he got a warning of that in his last punishment, also I don't get this community, calling someone a moron is apparently not toxic for some reason. I doubt you would smile and shake someones hand if he called you a moron on the street. That's clearly toxic behavior, if he wasn't punished before then 1 mishap wouldn't be enough for a punishment, but he was repeatedly toxic in the past.

This Is Your DadMay 11, 201813 votes

--GodCarry: youre a moron --GodCarry: for trash talking someone --GodCarry: for wanting to focus on the game --GodCarry: and for having a bad game

I think if you put it together it's less toxic.

IxozieIMay 11, 20188 votes

This just shows how poorly designed their system is. They fail to account for the punishment that will be handed out when determining if you are guilty or not. In no universe is a permaban justified for what you said, regardless of what you were punished for beforehand. It's why these punishment tiers are idiotic, because not all offenses are worthy of the same punishment.

Let's say someone served 15 years of prison for running into someone while drunk driving. He gets out, then he gets caught smoking weed. You don't say "oh let's give him life in prison since he had to serve 15 years last time". That's just absurd.

Should you have shut up and muted everyone? Absolutely. Is your failure to do that worthy of a permaban? Absolutely NOT.

Votable JesterMay 11, 20186 votes

Are you sure nobody else played on your account while you weren't (like you weren't hacked)? It's possible that that happened and earned you smaller punishments up to the 14 day ban before this, making the next punishment (this one) permaban regardless of how small it was.

If not, idk, but with the attention this post is getting, you'll likely get a Rioter to respond.

GodCarryMay 11, 20185 votes

Yeah I'm the only one with access to my account, there are no games in my history for one month until this week.

Votable JesterMay 11, 20186 votes

Then assuming you truly are in the right (sorry I'm a bit skeptical, seen a lot of similar threads fall on their face once Riot Tantram shows up), I hope you get the assistance you need and have your account returned.

I know I'd be quite distressed if my account was suddenly permabanned.

Spank the FoxMay 11, 20186 votes

I don’t understand why you can’t copy and paste the actual screenshots of the ban from the client

Too many people omit lines to stay in good light.

This Is Your DadMay 11, 20185 votes

I think you should mute them instead of saying you will in chat, but I think this is supposed to be a learning experience. What you've said in chat isn't even really an offensive defense, more of an attempt to show that you're a chill dude and you are going to do you. I think being with a premade, as much as it doesn't matter how many reports you get does somewhat influence the attention you receive upon instigating a manual review. I think you need to be given a chance to adjust to your new punishment tier and that this level of toxicity isn't demonstrative of your desire to return to whatever behavior warranted a 14 day ban, but rather a proactive attempt to redefine your character so as to become a better person and avoid future punishments. As such I believe that you should be given another chance and that if you are given another chance, you should tone your overall chat down volumewise until you are in the clear and off the radar. Then that level of chat will not even net you a chat restriction unless it is frequent enough.

GodCarryMay 11, 20184 votes

I really was trying my best to diffuse the situation, explain my reasoning behind not using voice, and remain positive while performing poorly and being doubted by my team. It's extremely difficult to do that while trying to play and focus on the game, so it may not seem like that was my intention, but it was.

I appreciate your analysis of the situation.

This Is Your DadMay 11, 20187 votes

I totally understand. However you're like a newly released "prisoner" after 10 years of being locked up. The eyes are on you for a while for the slightest mishaps. In that situation you just need to mute them and do NOT unmute them. I know it can be a lonely game of league but it's a necessity until you lose the heat and are determined to be a normal member of league society again. It's like trying to fix something without the knowhow makes it worse. Until you practice diffusing situations like this, you won't be good at it, and being in such a wedge makes this not a good time to spread your wings and try, even though I totally respect what you were trying to do and become.

GodCarryMay 11, 20185 votes

I'm not sure the exact length of time, but I'm pretty sure it takes more than 6 months to reset punishment levels, so let me use that number.

I cannot reasonably be expected to consistently play this game for 6 months with perfect behavior, and I don't believe anyone, including Riot, expects me to be a saint and commit no offenses for even half that time. The punishment system was designed to punish toxic players, not the occasional slip of the tongue. In this case, I believe I am being punished with a Zero Tolerance policy that I wasn't aware existed in League.

And with all that being said, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. I disagree that I was toxic/abusive/harassing/flaming at all in this game, so this policy shouldn't apply to me.

This Is Your DadMay 11, 20186 votes

I think it's games played. If you were to not play for 6 months and come back and say anything you'd still be banned. So it's number of games played. You were only toxic because the other players perceived it as toxicity. The game I was recently chat restricted for went about the same way, the whole team was begging in chat to report me all game and I was just chilling and bam I got a chat restriction, though I think the two prior games I was a jerk in helped. Basically if you try to mitigate damages in chat and the toxic players refuse to calm down you now earned a chat restriction or ban. Kinda sucks really because the extra abusive people can pidgeonhole you into getting punished simply by trying to stop the flame war in the first place. Also more often than not reports are like a herd of cattle, it'll start out with report x and then suddenly y starts to do something a b and c didn't like so instead it's report y and forget about x. The more people that are tilted the more they try to rally against someone. Kinda sucks, I've done it before when I was not in the right state of mind to justify myself. I've been relatively calm for the last few games since my stress level went down.

Arisha the DarkMay 11, 20182 votes

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I'm not sure the exact length of time, but I'm pretty sure it takes more than 6 months to reset punishment levels, so let me use that number.

And with all that being said, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. I disagree that I was toxic/abusive/harassing/flaming at all in this game, so this policy shouldn't apply to me.

Only you did get 3 punishments before this one and unless you are willing to post chat logs from those punishments I prefer to consider them to be just.

Also, would be good if you posted screen shot of chat log, not copy pasted one. Just in case.

GodCarryMay 11, 20184 votes

Yes, I can assure you the punishments before this one were just. I have been punished in the past, but that is not relevant to this dispute. I did not deserve a punishment in this circumstance and I will stand by that as long as I believe it to be true.

I'm not being unreasonable. It's rare this kind of thread gets this much support from the community.

I will wait for a Rioter to comment tomorrow, they will surely confirm the chat logs are complete.

This Is Your DadMay 11, 20186 votes

To add, courts do not often use prior convictions to decide the validity of the current case, as each sentence carried out is one that is "forgiven" in one sense of the word. It's akin to seeing a killer who did drugs get released after 20 years of jail time and then being framed almost immediately by someone because of his past with no relation to the evidence at hand. I add "did drugs" to insinuate that he was a druggie in the wrong state of mind and is now clear of drugs and is a normal human being, but the fact that he was an addict is why people suspect him 20 years later.