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All Chat, How About "Toxic Chat"? Reform Reforming? Repute Reports?

FF or QQ·7/20/2018, 12:21:58 AM·1 votes·1,110 views

Hello, FF or QQ here, with a suggestion to reform the way players reform. Trust me, I know a thing or two about it.

My main account is Rinnegan4thekill, which was banned for cussing out players who cussed me out. Honestly. We all know that pain, at least somewhat. You'll gradually react more and more harshly to toxic players muting them or not, it just took me 6 years to acclimate. If we all behaved this way the salt would go out of control. The way it did with my account. As the current system stands, this is still a problem. A domino-effect of toxicity. Even good players are being banned.

You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. ~ Alfred

Introducing; the naughty list. Check it to enable chat for toxic players ingame, leave it unchecked to automatically mute players who are routinely reported for toxicity by their peers. Perhaps give these toxic players a drop down menu of some sentences similar to club penguin. Not sure if that's needed though with the ping/emote system. To bad there aren't toxic players in PBE to try it out with.

   Generally speaking;

Behavior and feasible in-game actions should be separated. Since one causes the other. Instead of banning the victims of the former, what I'm offering is a simple alternative to help them instead.
Like the "All Chat" option; but for people who are chat restricted. A "naughty list" option. Checking it will allow chat restricted or chat banned players chat visible. They can be permanently added to this list, with only a reform card being their last chance for respite. Where support staff will review their chat logs, their attached statement, and react accordingly. Seeing if they are truly reformed. Players should only be banned for cheating, or extreme cases of racism and hate speech. Since it actually has a feasible impact vs an ideological one.

Let's stop banning and suspending accounts for what they say, simply prevent them from saying. They were the first victim anyway. Let's not punish them for cussing out a feeder, just add them to the list for a bit, or permanently. It's like two different games, the chat and league... Let's deal with them separately.

Not only that, but give players the option to decide for themselves what constitutes as toxic. A double edged attack is necessary. This not only stops the domino-effect of toxicity, but gives more power to the player base. If I decide that I'll just mute each person myself, that's still an option for me. While other players who rather just play the game and not worry about toxic people, can just leave the naughty list unchecked. Like players who don't want to hear from the other team leave all chat unchecked. This way instead of recycling them into new accounts to bubble back to the top, unresolved salt, we preserve them right where they are. With the naughty list. Stop the heart from pumping salt down and back up through the LoL community.

Naughty List Features;

  1. Default auto-mute frequently reported toxic players (Even in champ select)
  2. Option to listen to them anyway
  3. No game bans or suspensions for speech, game bans reserved exclusively for game actions like repetitive int's
  4. Speech bans for speech offenses
  5. A path to redemption for speech offenses
  6. Honors are meaningless to naughty list members, they do not earn Chests, Essence, perhaps limit their ability to level up.
  7. Extends the mute system, pulls back on regulation w There's ways to optimize this, but multiple members of your support staff humor the idea. Perhaps a ban actually is excessive. The buck didn't start with the toxic players, but it's our chance to have it stop with them. Any suggestions to better this system and refine it into a more implementable feature?

[EDIT} - Chat and gameplay are separate platforms and should be managed separately. The naughty list is the report system for chat offenses specifically. You CAN be banned. But only from using chat! If your gameplay suffers as a result, i.e. trolls; you then face the threat of being banned ingame aswell! I'm an example of a player who only trolls trolls in chat, my now banned account is proof of that. Check the match history of Rinnegan4thekill, I have an above average win rate for my elo. So you either agree with me, or just want salty players to suffer as much as possible rather than help reform them. You are salty, ironically.

20 Comments

AeroWaffle7/20/2018, 12:30:08 AM4 votes

Poor chat behavior only resulting in chat restrictions was tried once before already.

You could constantly stack games upon games of chat restrictions for poor chat behavior, to the point where there were some people running around with hundreds and even thousands of games of chat restriction.

Here's the problem, Riot found that such people didn't stop misbehaving just because they were no longer able to speak in the game. They were likely to just troll to take their anger out on teammates when they couldn't use chat to do it. So Riot scrapped the endless chat restrictions. What was the point when those people would just change to trolling, a much harder to detect and catch form of poor behavior?

Yes a lot of this was copy/pasted from a previous time someone else made a similar suggestion.

Edit: Referring to my own response with the copy/paste comment. Didn't feel like re-typing what would have been essentially the same counter-argument.

disregardable7/20/2018, 12:29:57 AM3 votes

Riot bans toxic players because they make the game of league of legends less fun. It is in Riot's interest, as a company, to have the game be as enjoyable as possible. If people have fun, they want to play more, they want to invite their friends, and they want to spend more money. When people don't have fun, the opposite happens.

So while you may feel fine being toxic, Riot sees that as the objectively incorrect way to play the game. They want people to be happy and having fun, not angry and bickering. That's why they ban people that won't stop raging in chat.

FF or QQ7/20/2018, 12:38:41 AM1 votes

@AeroWaffle I didn't copy and paste anything. It said this one didn't post so I tried again. I guess it did post. MB. I came here after a support member suggested it. Also, when they do go on to intentionally feed instead of being toxic, they'll be banned for that. The ban still happens, but for the truly deserving. We're on the same page.

@Disregardable I agree, being mean to your teammates is unnecessary and is objectively not okay. But not ban worthy since they can be muted, and with this system implemented, be muted before you even hear from them to begin with. If they go onto cheat or intentionally feed, they'll be routed out. Instead of the tilted people who are mad because of these people.

Voldymort7/20/2018, 7:30:37 AM1 votes

You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. ~ Alfred

Harvey Dent said that.

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