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Lifting ID Bans Backwards Logic?

3 141·1/29/2019, 5:24:06 AM·1 votes·3,644 views

Hello everybody, I'll be short and sweet about this. I find the logic rather irrefutable, I think you will too. I know how everyone on here is quick to turn away from topics of banned accounts and how conceited they are about their own behavior. But we gotta' be empirical about the situation and not biased in our approach based off of interactions with these accounts. Let's not forget, they're just making new accounts anyways. It doesn't solve anything. It's just petty.

Muting is obviously the only option. Since, you probably did inspire some of that negativity to come your way. We're all human, removing someone from the community is dismissive. It doesn't solve problems. Words, aren't as bad as action. And that's why reports are too harsh in response to words. You're coming after them, with malice. Your intentions aren't pure, or for the good of the community as you check those 3 report boxes. They're in anger, for revenge. Wielding a double edged sword sure to come back on you in the end. The difference is, they only effected you through words, you're impacting their feasible reality. So who is the bad guy? I suggest you turn the other cheek, and listen to the following argument with an open heart, one of forgiveness and compromise.

We're all only human, negative interactions scientifically, psychologically speaking; are inevitable. 1 out of 10 games, each player is highly probable to make a mild infraction. A "fuck you" or "Stop feeding prick". Conveniently enough, the system is fined tuned towards that. Trying to gradually cinch down that rate through low priority ques, chat restrictions, Restricting rewards(things you should just get for spending time playing it), suspensions, and yes, even bans. Punishing bad behavior, and doing nothing for good behavior other than giving you what you're owed. Now, it's ridiculous, one or two reports is all it takes now. When I started, reports were meaningless. Like they should be, the game was light hearted and fun! Back when the launcher was a little box with a play button...

The argument of ID Bans is where Riot slipped up in all of this. Showed their true intentions. Not that moderating a community is exactly a noble intention. They deem that if a player is truly reformed, that they fly under Riots radar long enough, then later reveal who they are... And if Riots surprised and pleased by their change, then MAYBE their ID ban can be lifted. All that already sounds a little wonky. Doesn't it? If they have enough viewers watching League, they can play League again. That's what it really is.

The hypocrisy doesn't stop there. The logic is steeped in unethical, intentionally unempirical logic. Biased "You checked our box so we can do whatever we want in the end." type of logic. These are sceevy business practices, and I report Riot games. How is a player deemed 'REFORMED' enough to play League of Legends again, but not their old account? No their old account is too toxic. Lmao. What kind of logic is this Riot? But like I said, I checked a box so we're all collectively at your mercy... - But wait. Maybe there is something we can do.

I know League is a type of addiction, it's a formula that video games have always played on. It's human instinct to add onto ourselves as individuals till the day we die. It's our purpose. It's what gives us that dopamine high. <removed by moderation> Let's all leave, and come back when the system has a little less fascism involved. I want a system where we can openly say "Fuck you, douche bag." and suffer no repercussions. "Oh, you're crazy! WE NEED our security and safe spaces!". I prefer freedom and liberty my friends. It's not so hard to mute a player, I know you might get pricked a bit, they'll get a "fuck you" out before that... There are some sharp edges we have to roll over in life, in reality. It's apart of it. Banning it out the gate, numbs life though. It glosses over it with a thin coat of bullshit. This is a deep, philsophical argument. "Bro it's a video game relax." I'm not just having this argument here though. It's everywhere now. We want Nerf, padded edges or we want to experience life as it really is. Which is it? Join me in quitting League of Legends. I know some people might see this argument as hypocritical, if Riots free to do as they like as a company, shouldn't they be able to restrict your rights? Obviously no.

The problem is bigger than League though. I mean, imagine if this is how society worked. If there was a tribunal of people, the judicial court deciding what people can and can not say. What is feeding and what is playing your lane right. You'd be punished for doing nothing, you'd be punished for talking shit to assholes and visa versa. I mean, don't you just feel like everyones fake as hell in every match now? Just neutral parties trying to get a win. No sustenance anymore, every match feels the same. I just imagine 1982 oriville, identical people sitting down at identical computers playing identical roles. Some champions broken, but the game no longer based on skill but chance. <removed by moderation> You're either on board with entropy, or you're on their side. Stick with us chads, with chaos and the future. Rather than strict regulation and planning. You already know your future, so why live it? Don't report, mute from now on. Short of someone running it down mid, or cheating, afk's, are all that deserve reports. Speech? Please, haven't you ever heard of "words can never hurt me." but your desire for a safe space hurts more in reality than words ever could. You do not know what your desire to separate yourself from ever feeling hurt will do to you in the end. I've been there so I'll tell you, pain is better than numbness.

[Edit] Alright, I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible. If someone says something you don't like, they have a different perspective than you. Unless you occupy the same space/time, which is physically impossible; this is unavoidable. Conflict WILL happen, dealing with it is apart of life. You don't deal with it by sending them away. This doesn't work forever anyway. You thicken your skin, and agree to disagree. Change the conversation if you can, change your location if you can, but no matter what you do, you can't impact their situation, based just off what they said, without their consent at least. That's unethical, and immoral. It's not right to assume that you're on some pedestal of righteousness, ready to preach. Riot can't, the united states can't. But it is a consensus that is logical and irrefutable. You will just run around in a paradoxical argument, talking about what is and isn't okay to say. When some times, perspectives and situations make it okay to say. Fuck isn't as offensive to me as it is to you. There are countless arguments for it, and the only one against it is hurt feelings. So I'll leave it at that. As nicely put as possible. If you can't wrap your mind around it, it is because you are too young in life. You will understand in time, when enough conflict of your own has passed.

83 Comments

AeroWaffle1/29/2019, 5:32:11 AM7 votes

Freedom and liberty means that Riot can decide the rules that govern their game.

Shiwah1/29/2019, 5:48:57 AM7 votes

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ModBianca Colt1/29/2019, 9:05:32 AM6 votes

Who decides this agenda, should we all be super nice and PC to each other? Or should we be whatever we feel like in the moment? What's the more true way to live? I'd ask yourself that next time youre thinking of reporting a player for telling you how they feel.

You seem to be using extreme examples in an attempt to get your point across and make it more impactful (this being one of them), but they don't really prove anything. You're typing a lot, but not saying much.

First of all, Riot are the one who decide where the line is. You agreed to that line when you created your account. Your misconception is that you think people have to be extremely nice to each other and just follow the "I'm such a nice person" herd. No, that's not what this is about. All you have to do is not be a jerk towards others. Remain neutral if being positive isn't your style, but don't act surprised when you get punished for basically crossing the line and straight up insulting other people.

Secondly, why wouldn't they report someone who is breaking the rules? If you saw someone robbing a store, would you just disregard it or call the police? Sure, the robber might have their own set of feelings that guided them into doing what they're doing, but should that be an excuse for breaking the law?

Stop pretending like you're the victim because you got punished for breaking the rules. If you want a free space where anything can be said and done without any repercussions, then, by all means, go ahead and create one. But don't expect other people to comply with your beliefs and agree with you when you try to bring that mentality to someone else's game. You are more than welcome to express your feelings and opinions in this game, but do so in a civilized manner.

TrulyBland1/29/2019, 9:58:22 AM5 votes

I find the logic rather irrefutable, I think you will too.

What logic? There are no logical deductions in the entirety of your text. Only assumptions. You talk about "being empirical", but there is no empirical evidence whatsoever to be found in your text. Only assumptions.

You assume how the system works and specifically how sensitive to minor infractions it is. You assume player's motivation behind reporting and specifically how "impure" it is. You assume Riot's intentions behind punishment system and specifically how it's not really aiming at reforming players. You even assume how people should live their lives based on no other reason than your own preference.

That's your basis of operations. It's not logic, it's not empiricism, it's handwaving arguments based on emotional association.

[Edit: Since Periscope removed your reference to drugs, I removed mine. Fair is fair.]

Jo0o1/29/2019, 1:42:32 PM4 votes

I'm baffled by this thread. I'm waiting for references to a Rick and Morty tattoo that you won't let men see as a cap-off to a new viral copypasta.

R107 Games1/29/2019, 1:13:15 PM2 votes

You're completely right tbh.

A lot of players that report for chat never consider how it will affect the reported player. They have no empathy becuase they are unaffected by the possible consequences of the report. It is also completely immoral to report someone out of spite.

I agree people should solve the chat problem with a simple mute button, but some players are too self centered to do that and forget about the toxic player. They would rather report their solved problem and hope riot can issue a punishment. Some of these players would litteraly stalk a toxic player just to see if they are banned.

Perma banning someone for typing is not right. Especially since the problem can be solved with ignoring/muting. Just because riot has a right to make the rules they want, doesn't suddenly mean every rule they make is justified.

People should be allowed to express themselves freely in a video game. Some people go online to escape the social rules of irl. They shouldn't be subjected to unnecessarily strict chat moderation when playing a video game.

Anyways, for people like you and me who have this view point, all we can do is be happy of how easy it is to bypass the automated system for chat, and how League still has a toxic community. Maybe some will learn one day that banning people that simply hurt their feelings isn't right, and that they can solve their problem with a simple mute button.