Sexual Harassment- this is not okay.

Lilin Cat·Jan 23, 2016·17 votes·3,715 views

Today I had a player ask me if I masturbate. This is sexual harassment. And it's not okay. This person knows I'm a ~~gurl~~ and I can guarantee if I was a man, he wouldn't of asked me such an inappropriate question. And regardless of my gender, it's still sexual harassment. I would like Riot to have the same system they have for reporting, for blocking. To have a list of reasons of why you're blocking, where certain reasons raise a red flag to Riot so they can take actions to make the community safe for everyone.

154 Comments

XIII VanitasJan 24, 20168 votes

Asking if you masturbate is highly inappropriate, but it isn't sexual harassment. If you think that this player deserves a punishment, submit a report and explain your reasons. This is the tool that Riot Games uses to make the community a better place for everyone. Blocking someone has a different purpose: it's just a tool that allows you to avoid reading what someone else types in chat. You can do it for whatever reason and doesn't affect anyone else but you.

Lilin CatJan 24, 20161 votes

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XIII VanitasJan 24, 20167 votes

You can copy-and-paste the definition of sexual harassment how many times you want, but it won't make it fit the case. The person that asked you if you masturbate didn't make a sexual advance or an obscene remark (which means statement, not question) either. Anyways I'm not a lawyer and I don't have any interest in making a discussion about legal stuffs. I renew my advice to you to report this person to Riot Games, providing them any proof of the conversation that you had with him, and I wish you to not bump again into people like him in the future.

ModAttysu The PoroJan 24, 20168 votes

I'm a girl. This is what people ask me:

Do you have a boyfriend
Do you masturbate
Would you like to sext
Would you like to join TS/Skype/Curse
Would you like to be fuck buddies.

Guess what?

Still not giving any fucks.

There is an ignore button for a reason, and an unfriend button. Girls ask guys that online, and trolls ask either sex. This is the internet.

XIII VanitasJan 24, 20163 votes

This is the internet.

We have the access to 99% of the entire human knowledge and we use it to piss people off. What a great race we are.

ModAttysu The PoroJan 24, 20164 votes

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We have the access to 99% of the entire human knowledge and we use it to piss people off. What a great race we are.

Never said we were a GOOD race. :P

Lilin CatJan 24, 20161 votes

"Would you like to join TS/Skype/Curse" is not an inappropriate question. The rest are sexual harassment. And good for you for "not giving any fucks" What I proposed would decrease those types of interactions.

ModAttysu The PoroJan 24, 20163 votes

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"Would you like to join TS/Skype/Curse" is not an inappropriate question. The rest are sexual harassment. And good for you for "not giving any fucks" What I proposed would decrease those types of interactions.

It is when the instant I think "Hm it might be fun" and join I get a bunch of obscene sex jokes and sexual advances at me. That's why I just refuse telling people my curse unless I really know them, even if I added them on LoL.

Lonely FlameJan 23, 20165 votes

But if you're blocking the person, it shouldn't matter what the reason is for. You're ceasing communication with them. Reports for sexual harassment would fall under verbal abuse and unsportsmanlike conduct.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20163 votes

personally, idk why gender matters in a anonymous game? if you don't want to be harassed for gender, abstain from informing people.

people cant be banned for asking their "friends" inappropriate things. they're your "friends" you decide who to keep and who to not.

if someone were to continue interacting with someone that is talking to them sexually, to the point of sending images, that is their choice and riot is not liable for the interactions between "friends"

your complaints sound like a mother that is using league for a babysitter for your tween daughters instead of teaching them how to tell a user from a true friend, expecting riot to take care of every perverted adult in its community from being pervs to their friends.

Lilin CatJan 24, 20162 votes

I dont inform people of my gender- I was in a group call with this person once and my voice is sort of a dead give away.

"friends" in quotations. Because they are not friends. They are a list of contacts. People you may have enjoyed paying a few games with. Maybe ya'll are in a team or something. Regardless of your relationship this is a game. It's communication is supposed to be limited to discussions about the game. If your girlfriend plays and you want to sext through LoL that's your business but that's not what we're talking about.

LoL is not your OKCupid.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20165 votes

That's not even what he's saying..... if you went as far as voice chat with this person, you willingly did it. You could have blocked him or have said no to voice chat. YOU are the one that gave away your gender, which is most likely what sparked the sexual comment that you need to get over.

Lilin CatJan 24, 20163 votes

So now it's my fault for being a girl on LoL. So I have to hide my gender at all costs, including declining voice chats with my team (so we can communicate better) in order to avoid harassment.

This doesn't sound fucked up to you or are you just okay with women being harassed?

XIII VanitasJan 24, 20162 votes

This is why Riot Games doesn't provide voicechat: if there's no registration of what this player did, they can't punish him. The only thing you can do is to avoid people like this one after you've known their true colors. Ultimately, you're the one responsible for using third party programs, Riot Games isn't accountable for anything that happens outside of their game.

Lilin CatJan 24, 20161 votes

But this didn't happen on any voice chat. That was just the way he knew my gender. This happened on LoL's messenger

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20163 votes

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But this didn't happen on any voice chat. That was just the way he knew my gender. This happened on LoL's messenger

Just because it happend over the LoL messenger, does not justify him being banned from the game and/or from the messenger.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20165 votes

the problem is riot does not care about spending time policing private conversations.

riot's concerns are supplying a safe "game environment" anything beyond the end screen riot tunes out of because if you are talking to someone past that it is your choice to expose yourself to them.

if you don't want to be identified by voice get a voice changer. its not hard.

your post has no credible or reasonable reason to come about in a realistic way.

also, im not defending the person that was a perve to you, im just making a point about what you posted.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20162 votes

Unsure why you're getting downvoted...if it's harassment/unacceptable to ask in real life then why is it okay online...

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20162 votes

I seriously cant believe you people...

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20163 votes

Belief is subjective, just like most of the rest of opinions. The sooner you get that the sooner you'll stop wasting time posting things like this.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20161 votes

How is it a waste of time?

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

Cause your 'comment' can just as easily be made by just down voting the post. No need to be additionally negative. Thus, wasteful.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20163 votes

Sorry, couldn't really help it. Its pretty ridiculous that someone would make a post like this, let alone someone supporting it.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20162 votes

I've got a friend that has been the victim of sexual harassment before a few times, so I kinda try to support the victim when I see it.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20162 votes

And im sure the severity of it was not even close to this.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

Irrelevant and absolutely none of your business is what it is.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20163 votes

If its irrelevant and none of my business, why bring it up? If you're going to be so defensive....

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

Cause its my reason which you asked for. I gave the bare minimum information and anything beyond that isn't your business?

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20165 votes

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Sorry, couldn't really help it. Its pretty ridiculous that someone would make a post like this, let alone someone supporting it.

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I've got a friend that has been the victim of sexual harassment before a few times, so I kinda try to support the victim when I see it.

Never asked for it. If you did not bring up i could not of said anything about it.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20165 votes

because asking random people inappropriate questions, and asking "friends" dirty things are different scenarios.

if you asked a someone in your group of friends dirty things, would they stop talking to you, and report you to the police?

now, if you asked a coworker the same question, the answer would be different.

the problem is this chick added perv to her friends list, so its no longer the coworker scenario where reporting post-game is accessable, so she is looking for a way to report her "friend" where the situation is no longer something riot is concerned with or liable for.

cure to this, don't add random strangers and tell them your gender identity.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20162 votes

Yes cause grouping with a random for the first time due to friends inviting them is avoidable. Followed by being in a Skype call and having said random invited into the Skype call isn't a thing that could happen. The random seemed normal enough and was a good player so one adds them after game. Then proceeds to ask question. Right cause that could never ever happen, right? Totally. Your perfect world there doesn't exist. Just like this scenario may not. Everything is possible though.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20166 votes

said situation happens, two options appear,

:respond, if you wish too. :block user, if you wish to.

there is no reason that if you choose option A why you should be upset, and if you chose B, its done, the guy wont be able to ask you again, and riot still stays out of personal conversations like it always will.

there is no reason that there should be a post about a "friends list" person harassing you on the forums.

bottom line, there is no extreme harassment between "friends" that both parties didn't at some level have control over, and wanting someone banned for it is childish silly behavior.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

So she wasn't harassed if the first thing the guy ever pm'd her was that? Or, slightly more likely they started with a more mundane conversation, which made it seem okay then just out of the blue asks it...is it more or less then? Again, stop trying to box it into a perfect world.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20163 votes

If you think perfect worlds aren't a thing, why do you agree its possible to punish every single person who does sexual harassment and completely stop sexual harassment as a whole? That sounds like a perfect world to me, when its so much easier to block them and move on.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

...sigh, when did I say it would be even close to possible to ban every single person ever? For instance, in a perfect world, SOMEONE would even find your name offensive and you'd be forced to change it. See? That is completely unreasonable and that's fine. I just think there should be an option or way to report this type of behavior outside of submitting a ticket.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20164 votes

You agree with her post, and voting up on it, when that is what she is wanting. To have a way to ban every person who commits it. And what is even more ridiculous is banning a player on league for making a sexual comment OUTSIDE of the game.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

Presuming to be a mind reader now, eh? Cool. Assuming what I want as well, yes? That's cool too I guess. Maybe next time do it in more intelligible English please. Additionally, harassment can't happen outside of a game now? Huh. Okay.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20164 votes

Obviously it can and did happen outside the game. But since it did, why should the punishment be something in game? You really make no sense.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20162 votes

stop replying to this guy, he is being intentionally ignorant, and doesnt actually read your argument, but just redirects back to the demand.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20164 votes

Yea, you're right. I was confused on how someone could be this dumb.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20161 votes

Again not asking for punishment to be in game or anything really. I just think a report option should be a thing. Maybe the person has been reported for harassment if game before and is trying to get around punishment by harassing people out of game through pm's.

DaEpicNoodleJan 24, 20163 votes

What is the point of a report system if there is no punishment? (there isn't) Again you make no sense. You really are an idiot.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20161 votes

im not, but i think about shit like this. in game until you leave the post game lobby, you are with "coworkers" whom harassing would get you fired "banned" and then anything posted in private chats are "coworkers" whom you decided to have a relationship outside of work, becoming classified as "friends" hence "friends list", so any conversations held between "friends" the people engaging in are at full control over. hence the "block user" function available to any and all players.

wanting to have somewhere to report your "friends list" is like being the person that calls the police on someone that asks to see your tits in a non-threatening way in the park. in no way did the guy in the park do something illegal, as long as he isn't being threatening. and if he was being threatening, its no longer the same scenario.

now threatening over private chat is a different beast, tackled by people above riot, and only if brought to their attention.

now stop asking for riot to punish someone for being crude when you accepted them into your circle.

Chaotic SageJan 24, 20162 votes

Didn't even read past the word Coworker. Rehashing the same crap isn't accomplishing anything. I just desire the ability to report people like this. Not even necessarily punish until they actually accumulate enough, just the ability to report.

LF AnnieJan 24, 20166 votes

since you don't desire conversation, but rather a one sided demand for a feature, i'm done responding to your blatant ignorance. good day.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

TruckFump2016Jan 24, 20162 votes

I agree. I can't stand the way girls get treated online.

TruckFump2016Jan 24, 20162 votes

The internet should be a safe, easy, and hassle-free place for girls. It isn't.

LF AnnieJan 24, 201612 votes

because its safe, easy, and hassle free for everyone else?

Lilin CatJan 24, 20161 votes

Thank you. And as I stated regardless of gender it is still sexual harassment. There'd be a huge backlash if a man asked another man if they masturbate (specifically in the context of this is a stranger asking for self pleasure purposes)

LF AnnieJan 24, 20166 votes

if another guy asks me if i masturbate, my usual response is "and you dont?"