How I stopped being a toxic a-hole

Barkley··38 votes·1,685 views

99% of toxicity in this game boils down to one thing - Expectations.

-You go in for a gank, and your laner doesn't behave the way you expected. -You're playing well, but one of your laners is relentlessly feeding. -You're NOT playing well, and you expect your team to be understanding, and they're not. -You perform an action, and expect a result, and don't get that result.

That's life.

The best advice I can give, and what helped me, is to never expect anything from your team mates. You can't control them, you can't advise them, you can't direct them, so why interact with them at all? (in chat, I mean.)

The only thing you should be doing in chat is a "gj" here and there if someone does something cool. That's it. Two letters. All you ever have to type. Anything else serves no purpose, and honestly "GJ" doesn't even serve a purpose - its just a nice thing to do.

But telling people where to go, how to play, or criticizing them, or any other chat behavior is absolutely pointless. I want you to try to think of a time where you said "Hey Jinx, stop feeding" and the Jinx goes "Oh ok, mb" and stops feeding.

Never. If anything, she probably tilted and started feeding even worse. All because you decided it was appropriate to say something about it.

You know what you do instead? Figure out what YOU can do to make the situation better. YOU are the only person you can control. YOU are the only person you should be criticizing or worrying about.

Treat it as if you're playing a coop-vs AI game where its you + 4 bots vs 5 bots. Its entirely up to you to figure out the best course of action to win the game. Everything else is beyond your control. But its better than a coop vs AI game, because if you use smart pings there's a CHANCE the person MIGHT actually listen to you. Bots don't listen to pings, sadly.

But you shouldn't EXPECT the person to listen to you. You're not their boss. You're not their master. They can do whatever they want. They're also in their own little coop VS AI game, and to them, you're one of the bots. They can weigh their options and choose not to assist you - AND THATS OK.

So leave yourself an exit strategy if your team mate doesn't perform the way you expected. "I'm gonna dive this turret and Olaf is going to get the kill."

Ok but what if he doesn't? What if he doesn't even make the attempt? What if he just keeps CSing while you go balls-out under the enemy tower? As of right now, if you're reading this, your response is likely "Flame him for not cooperating and not helping me get the kill, he's bad, he's trash, he should uninstall." But actually the mistake is your own. The play failing, in its entirety, is your fault.

You should have thought to yourself "I'm gonna go under this tower and take 1 tower shot, and then check to see if Olaf is responding. If not, my flash is up, and I'm getting the fuck out."

The first situation has you assuming another player's behavior, and creating an expectation outside of your own capabilities. The second situation has you only assuming your own actions, and only creating expectations for yourself.

TL;DR - don't expect anything from other players, and you'll never have anything to flame them for. You are the only person in the game you have any control over.

45 Comments

Nami Want Salami10 votes

I expect more from my goldfish than my team

Barkley7 votes

You must have a very talented goldfish.

dominusx8 votes

Well it's a goldfish not a bronzefish.

Dw imma kms tonight.

Barkley1 votes

This woulda been such a fantastic comment if it were for the suicide "humor."

Healer Girl2 votes

Silver AND over-sensitive, nice! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Can't really say I'm surprised.

Zed genius3 votes

I am going in every game expecting my teammates to int harder than old tyler1 when his teammates banned draven tbh this has helped me a lot aswell

Barkley3 votes

Not exactly what I'm getting at.....

But hey, if it helps you... whatever.

You should go into every game thinking "I'm going to play my best" and have a solid plan to work off of. You shouldn't expect anything from your team mates, good or bad.

Going into a game expecting all of your team mates to be unskilled monkeys is probably pretty bad for your morale. You likely find yourself thinking "Yep... I knew vayne was gonna feed. GG, ff @ 20"

That's no way to play.

Zed genius1 votes

yeah it is a small alteration to the low expectations technique

TaylorMichigan2 votes

harder punishments for inters/trolls and we good. Only problem is riot they don't do enough against this - dota has a way better system - place all the waste into same queue until they reformed. Give players feedback that their report had an effect would help a lot as well. League is by the most toxic troll and int game in the world.

Barkley2 votes

Eh... I'm not a big fan of the "Prison queue" model. From a psychology standpoint, it doesn't work. If anything, it makes things worse.

Its a similar mentality to electro-shock behavioral therapy. Trying to fix someone's problems shouldn't boil down to making them so damaged and scarred and numb from it that they just don't want to do it anymore. Not exactly a healthy solution.

Positive Reinforcement > Negative Reinforcement, IMO.

warmcorntortilla2 votes

This is... really good advice. I hope some people take it XD

Barkley2 votes

WOW this post got toxic over night....

(Moves on with life)

KCSwish2 votes

spoken like a wise but obviously consistently disappointed vet. im that guy thats normally getting flamed cause im not sure what im suppose do at times or mad a rookie mistake. But the only way imo to get better is to challenge yourself by getting away from AI. ppl nd to realize that newer, 3-6months, players dont know the terminology or know how they can help. i dont have a friend to ask in person, and youtube vids are just as confusing sometimes so in game lessons are normally where ppl learn. Getting mad and yelling at me makes me do even worse, maybe trying make up for screwing up.... friendly, calm advise can help ppl feel like part of a team and in return play better.

ASQ Infinity1 votes

I've had good games and bad games (some really bad). Only playing for 3 months, you are correct in your assessment. Us newer players, despite playing 100's of games and youtube videos don't have "natural" reactions for all situations. If we are losing our butts in a lane, call a switch up as a shot caller. I know it won't work for all situations, but it's something.

I had a game where I got autofilled as the bot/adc. Sona was my support. After I got overwhelmed a few times by a Morgana / Renekton (I was playing/still learning Varus), Sona left me to go to the middle lane and continued to flame me saying how awful I was playing. So, not only was I just having a rough time early on, the only support I had left. This was a Normal, unranked game.

I play unranked for a reason b/c I don't want to be the cause (if I can help it) of a lost game in a ranked game. So, what does that leave us? Normal, blind and draft. Playing AI is not realistic as they don't gank, ward, etc. Like KCSwish mentioned the only way for us to learn is trial by fire.

Consider this not a problem but an opportunity for the better player to raise others up to be better players with pings, etc.

Existential Bard1 votes

Thanks for this!

Barkley2 votes

Level 66 wow. That's impressive.

And I thought I played this game a lot...

Existential Bard2 votes

Thanks! I wish I had the capacity to play ranked constantly. I know I could climb by just spamming the same champs every game, but that would be boring.

Barkley1 votes

Who says you have to play the same champion? When was that made a rule?

If you wanna play ranked man, play ranked.

Existential Bard1 votes

It's just I know that's what works for me. I don't have the best mechanical skill in the game so playing the same very select group of champions is how I negate that flaw.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

I've received a chat-ban once for passive-aggressiveness way back then.

I just try not to use chat for anything but team strategy.

Barkley1 votes

Even chatting about simple team strategy is enough to tilt some people. Especially if you have no tact, like me.

I used to have games all the time where I'd be like "Sivir, push your tower, your laners are mid." only to be met with "Fuck you" and my Sivir then AFK farming for the rest of the game.

In general, its just best not to tell other players how to play. They never listen anyway. In that game, if I wanted the bottom turret pushed, I should have walked my ass down there and helped her push it.

Similarly, I've been in games where I've said something like (I'm the jungler) "The enemy team is at baron right now." only to be met with "Yeah well you're the fucking jungler, do something about it." When my only point for saying what I said was to inform my team of the enemy's location. We were severely behind, so there's no way we could have contested. But my team took my chat as "Why isn't anyone stopping this" when really I meant "That's where they are, brace for impact."

So yeah. Best to just worry about yourself, and only use chat for things like "Gj" and "Wp" People are just too damn sensitive anymore.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

I do the same thing.

Like an Olaf that rushes a Tanky Soraka like a mad dog. I'll just let the enemy ADC 2 shot olaf while I attack the ADC.

But there's a barrier that becomes made when you decide to just use your teammates. There is an impossibility to climb in a system where you need to work well with teammates.

Barkley1 votes

I mean... in that situation in particular, it sounds like your olaf was right and you were wrong. You should always focus soraka down first in a 2v2 situation.

But whatever.

Coldblooooded 1 votes

Great advice. I got to the point where I was totally hiding my chat window, and as nice as it was to not have to deal with asshole trolls, I also didn't get to converse with the positive players which can really enhance the game! I started telling myself that, yea, I can't control, rely on, or expect my team to always make the smart move. I have to focus on my own playing, see how I can better the situation, and as my friend says 'just carry harder'.

Alex Luu1 votes

when i clicked on this thread i expected the contents to read as "I NEVER STOPPED".

Falkentyne1 votes

Upvoted. Very good advice. A LOT better than the teenage generic "if you lose a game it's your fault no matter what." Your post goes into specifics on how to control tilt and play better, rather than generic spam and the easy way out. Thank you.

anmyauntieonpo1 votes

This is a good post, and I think some of the ideas at play here are sensible, but some of it just isn't true. Sometimes telling people what to do does work, especially in the mid game. There's nothing you can do about someone losing in the lane, but you def can stop that adc from trying to jungle farm when you need to be pushing their inhibs. I have had countless games where I have turned the game around by telling people what to do and pinging the ever living shit out of them. Maybe this doesn't work in gold where everyone thinks they are diamond, but it works in bronze and silver to some extent. The only problem is that like you have explained it can often backfire. People have enormous egos and cannot listen to reason and will take every small criticism as a personal attack and try and get everyone to report you and give up if they have that personality. Personally, I think that personality should be weeded out of the community and not the people trying to just win games, even if sometimes rude. Only excessive cursing or grieving should be punished. Some people really do need to just listen though.

Barkley1 votes

I'm glad its worked for you, but spam pinging and telling people how to play has done nothing for me, ever. Aside from get me reported and chat restricted.

And not once did anyone ever listen. Not once. (Play on a Dewey Cox quote, doesn't translate well in text.)

So I just stopped wasting my time with it. Started worrying what I could do better. And with my change in attitude came a much more enjoyable gaming experience, and as a side bonus --- I got out of silver and into gold.

anmyauntieonpo2 votes

{quoted}

I'm glad its worked for you, but spam pinging and telling people how to play has done nothing for me, ever. Aside from get me reported and chat restricted.

And not once did anyone ever listen. Not once. (Play on a Dewey Cox quote, doesn't translate well in text.)

So I just stopped wasting my time with it. Started worrying what I could do better. And with my change in attitude came a much more enjoyable gaming experience, and as a side bonus --- I got out of silver and into gold.

A lot of it depends on how good you are and how you are doing in the game. If you're not already somewhat carrying the game people aren't going to listen, but if you're winning your lane and making plays its more likely. Even then, though, sometimes people will not. It really is an ego thing and I think people for the most part are extremely entitled in today's world. Those people need to get someone up in their face over it, for the betterment of society as a whole--no joke. Perhaps league isn't the platform for it, but it would sure be nice if everyone wasn't such a pussy all the time. Look I play horrible sometimes too and I get flamed and I RECKOGNIZE when I do, apologize, and try to leverage that into saying what does my team need from me. Not say "REPORTED" like a spoiled little shit and continue to feed and be outplayed. People need thicker skins. Muting everyone is just a way to avoid doing the right thing, but recognizing its not smart because the system is incorrect and over-punishing argumentative chat. They should be the ones muting, not me. Im trying to help. Its always the selfish players focused on doing their own thing within the game that this occurs.

The Lexer2 votes

Most of the time, I think you are right. But sometimes, it's ok. You just have to word it so that it is practically impossible for someone to tilt over.

Simple commands: "Push mid" ; "ward baron" ; "group and 5v5" are usually fine. "Stop feeding" obviously does not work, but sometimes even saying "stay under tower" is enough to tilt somebody, because they now know you are judging them for feeding.

So basically, there is no point in telling somebody how to play unless what you are telling them to do has nothing to do with what they already have or have not done

The Lexer1 votes

Great post!

I think Riot should send something like this to players who get punished by the system, in hopes that they read it and understand where they went wrong.

Kirisomia1 votes

When you just cry after 2 hours of league every day ( i am, right now)

FPS P1 xSolusGod1 votes

Riot should probably ask you for advice but they wont probably. The punishing system that they have actually makes things worse. Think of it this way, someone trolls you and makes you so mad that you cant hold it inside anymore, so you start venting, all of a sudden you're banned, you really think the person will say "oh I probably deserved that, oh well" ? Fuck no, he will start hating the very essence of this game, nothing good will matter anymore to that person, they will be so focused on the negative aspect of the game and how they've been mistreated by a system that allows trolls to thrive while honest players get butt pen. Trust me I fuking know. This punishing system will only increase hostility and wont do shit, just like how prisons are suppose to fix people but they're actually making them more fuked up, suprise suprise. Anyway, dont think riot cares about this problem, like many others, and wont probably consider what we say, but we did our part atleast.

OP Garen Support1 votes

This is the core of frustration in the game. Its a teamgame you cant control your teammates. BUT !!! Riot gives them to you, riot decides if you win or loose by giving you bad teammates and strong enemy. (ranked) Riot gives you noobs: unranked, bronze teammates as a platinum player vs a team full of diamonds and 1 master tier. (normal)

No wonder we are tilted if the game is not balanced in the first place. IF the game put 10 similar skill level players together. Then we can have a fun, fair game. Sadly it happens every full moon.

ªTeemo1 votes

I just want my teammates to use at least half of their brain and not feed. That's all. I don't need superstar players I just need players that don't feed. The first step to winning is not losing

WubbaLubbaDubDab1 votes

im pretty much reformed i even leveled up from honor 0 to honor 1 but the things that tilt me is when i get camped or when my noob opponent who i have stomped gets carried and then he even acts like pro against me with stuff like ez.thats my only weakness but i dont get aggressive on them like insults and toxic stuff the only thing i can say is "get carried"

AirKingNeo1 votes

But you shouldn't EXPECT the person to listen to you. You're not their boss. You're not their master. They can do whatever they want. They're also in their own little coop VS AI game, and to them, you're one of the bots. They can weigh their options and choose not to assist you - AND THATS OK.

And if their decision causes the game to be lost, does that make it ok? Of course not.

Barkley2 votes

No, but there's nothing you can do about it, so why get mad? Just move on.

Nobody plays perfectly. I've had games where I went 0-7. So have you. So has everyone. Ya can't win 'am all.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Clearly, one's anger displays they did something wrong. It is their choice whether they learn and act properly based on it, rather be selfish and lose the game for 4 people besides himself.

No one is asking for people to play perfectly. I'm asking for people to not be selfish and help someone because not doing so loses the game. I don't give a fucking care whether you like the person or not; you are being an ass if you intentionally refuse to help a player. If you blow off advice, then claim that doing the opposite of said advice didn't lose the game, you are both pretentious and an asshole.

"Do not struggle, learn."

Alimentateur1 votes

Basically: Play drunken or stoned.

Friday i played ranked on my main - drunk and i didnt even get what the text at tarics abilities said xD

you know when you can remember playing 3 ranked matches but in reality you played 7? xD i have no clue how im not de-ranking

Wandering Bardo1 votes

I'd just want a "team" that picks an ADC and/or not a support when I already locked in Bard. THAT causes toxicity. I'd like to play against full SoloQ when I am SoloQ. Premades vs Solo causes toxicity. I'd like to have a Yasuo that is NOT ragequitting (yesterday) or NOT surrendering a 17-10 game because he is used to play this broken asshole. I'd like to have people that don't die to jungle camps and then say "I can not jungle but I tried because I am drunk". I'd like to have people that react to MY pings I do on top or midlane because I spotted something on the map / have the bad feel of a gank and they don't respond. I'd like to have less Arabs in my games as they just speak like this: "Ham7a bl7ada eh ek eh" 24/7 and then spam their 4725ms ping because they play from a shithole 3rd world country over UMTS cellphone connections and make me lose. Also, get rid of the turks, they are terrible. No wonder why they flee from their servers with their awkward countrymen..

......

~Bardo Bard

ampheon1 votes

I only get tilted when playing with people I know, and Riot can't ban my for cursing my friends off over skype

Pink Polished1 votes

But it's not fair to expect from you to stay calm while your teammates insult you. Fun fact that they are never banned but you are. sigh

Pink Polished

But it's not fair to expect from you to stay calm while your teammates insult you. Fun fact that they are never banned but you are. sigh

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