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So apparently asking if we could ff is negative behavior and bannable???

Quantum Lotus·1/11/2016, 1:48:23 AM·11 votes·4,994 views

Just last game (it was a blind pick normal) I played lulu support. I was doing fine and my adc was doing awesome. Mid game comes and they have taken all of our turrets. EVERY SINGLE ONE. We barely made it. I ended up saying, "can we ff, they will just backdoor." Then the Vi says, "then ward dipshit." And then leblanc is calling me negative. Then I said, "we have 0 turrets though." I can assure you that I am not a negative player by any means. If you could look at match history and see the kind of language I use I am always constantly complimenting my team and trying to help out. Maybe because support is my second main role? I don't know, but I am definitely not negative and I NEVER flame people. Anyway, at the end of that game, I get a message saying that my recent behavior isn't in line with what riot supports???? What exactly did I do? I got flamed by my teammates and called names in a normal??? And I am the one getting this message? This makes no sense at all. All I did was ask If we can ff specifically because we had 0 turrets.

Sometimes I think the reporting is being a bit abused when people can get banned for something like that but still be the kind of player that constantly says, "gj! Good try! Maybe next time. Oh well lets try this ____"

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From now on I'll just mute everyone in all my damn games and not ever say a word. I will just use pings to communicate since asking a question is considered negative behavior.

29 Comments

Samus721/11/2016, 2:31:02 AM5 votes

This one is iffy. I hate surrendering and usually dislike myself if I agree to a surrender (yes, it's been known to happen.) Just initiating a surrender isn't punishable. Constantly initiating a surrender might be punishable if your team mates have made it clear to you several times that they will not surrender.

From what I've read, someone reported you. But I doubt you'll be punished for this. Looks like someone reported you as a form of retaliation. It's a false report. Riot doesn't do anything about false reports.

BladeSteel1/11/2016, 2:03:51 AM5 votes

All that message means is that someone reported you. It only happens the first time, and if it was not true then nothing will happen. I don't consider asking to ff to be toxic, and others shouldn't (unless you're saying we should ff b/c this team sucks and you all are bad etc etc.). It isn't bannable, and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

RiotSlumber Jack1/12/2016, 1:44:39 AM4 votes

I think it depends on where the request comes from; is it coming from a place of annoyance, or from a genuine understanding your team did its best but playing beyond a certain point would be less fun?

Most of the cases I see where it's reportable is directly in response to someone else not doing well which makes them feel bad, or in conjunction with other complaints/negativity that is generally unwelcome. These also tend to come as demands which are aggressive -- "just give up" or "ff20", for example.

If you want to suggest surrendering, try spinning it positive; it's not always easy for people to admit defeat. "Hey, I think we gave it a good try, but I'm not sure if we can come back" is one way. Or "welp we all have bad games, maybe we should surrender?"; these help to lower the walls people put up when it's suggested a game isn't going well.

TrulyBland1/11/2016, 1:23:16 PM3 votes

Let's get past the most important stuff instantly: I wouldn't have reported you for what you said and I don't think you should be punished for it (and for that matter, I don't think you will). The bottom line of it all is this: People are entitled to their own opinion. That means it's okay for you to want to surrender and it's okay for your team not to.

However, as somebody who is extremely annoyed by ff-begging, I feel the need to explain the most likely reasoning behind these reports.

The problem starts when people don't accept the outcome of a surrender vote. In general it is perfectly acceptable to try to sway somebody's opinion as a result. In this specific instance it is however already a bit problematic, because it means you have to try convincing your team they can't win the game. That's not exactly a picture book example of positive attitude and team spirit. But hey, you can't report/punish somebody for not being an optimist. This is where your specific story ends.

But the problem is that a lot of people "stereotype" ff-begging according to the more extreme cases. And the extreme stories do not end there. There are people that will nonstop tell their team to ff (and spam surrender votes all the while, even in awful situations), there are people that will complain in all chat about how their team doesn't ff... there are people that will straight up start harassing their team for not surrendering ("ff retards!"). Condescendingly pointing out the obvious ("Don't you see it's lost?" "They have 20 kills on us, surrender already!") doesn't help anybody either. And all of that is just the text-based stuff people can do to piss off their team if they're not okay with the outcome of the vote.

Again, your story ended way earlier than that... not in a grey area, not even a dirty white... a clear white. You have your opinion, you tried once to convince your team of it by pointing out something they might have missed. That is acceptable, commendable behaviour even when facing people that do not share your opinion. But it's not what the people in your game will see. What they see is "another one of these". And while I definitely don't want to defend such behaviour, my advice would be this: Just stick to the votes. Most people won't change their mind anyway, so there is hardly any reason to chat about surrendering.

xReadyPlayerOnex1/11/2016, 1:56:47 AM2 votes

Yes, it is. It's not cool, everyones frustrated there's a game that's going poorly, but the team doesn't want to surrender. So don't be toxic. Don't be THAT guy. Go figure out how to win.

Weathered1/12/2016, 2:31:23 AM1 votes

Just gonna put it out there, played a game where by around 10-15 minutes we were down something 2-13 kills. People started surrendering at 20 mins, but I voted no. I finished that game as a 15/4/11 Kha'zix and we won because we outplayed in a team fight, aced them, took a baron and totally changed the whole game. Their kha who was 3 kills ahead of me at the beginning was being one shot by me.

Never surrender.

ImAHeroForFun1/12/2016, 11:05:15 AM1 votes

Idk if anyone else has pointed out but the message you get after a game is just letting you know you were reported. It literally means nothing on the punishment side of things. If you did nothing wrong then dont worry. if you did something that is punishable then you will actually receive a chat ban or something similar. I have received this message a few times (usually when a teammate is blaming me for losing a game) over the 5 years ive been playing and have still never received a penalty of any kind nor have i ever missed out on player rewards. dont worry about it man the people who just report with no real justification their reports have less and less value every time.

You sound like a really positive person dont let a couple of reports get you down. keep being positive and ignoring the flaming idiots that rage uncontrollably at this game like their whole life depends on if you bought sightstone fast enough LOL. By the way im always looking for positive people to play with add me if you want to play some normals some time!! :D

-Sikplayz

TheStevenWu1/13/2016, 12:42:37 AM1 votes

@Nephilim Born

You don't get a warning nilly willy. You get a warning due to repeated reports. This means your warning stemmed for behaviors beyond just the one game. So no, you didn't get a warning simply because you asked to FF - it goes beyond that. You got a warning due to your LONG-TERM CONSISTENT negative behavior.

Mada1/15/2016, 12:01:49 PM1 votes

That message is a warning that you got reported more often than usual. I also think it's extremely annoying because it appears like it was an official warning because you did something wrong, but it's just an information about being reported.

Pocketbomb1/16/2016, 2:41:34 AM1 votes

Yo, Riot that's weak.

I've been scrolling through redtracker, loling at all the boosters getting smited by exact info, dated accounts were boosted, how many games, etc.

And here a guy comes with what could easily be an oversight, and you hand him some lame-ass shit about what generally happens, take the five minutes and look into it, if it's a wrongful ban, lift it. If not, feel free to expose him as a negative player and smite him. But don't just dole out some generic bs.

PIMPSMOOTH1/11/2016, 2:01:15 AM1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

alasarcher1/11/2016, 3:34:27 AM1 votes

Also dont ask people to FF, just initiate surrender vote.

The Bearded Bard1/11/2016, 1:30:12 PM1 votes

I wouldn't worry about it. I just got reported for asking my mid laner, the 0/8/0 by 15 minutes Kat to please don't play ranked.

ShaftyMegee1/12/2016, 12:19:02 AM1 votes

I don't think you were being toxic in the things you said. Though we didn't see all of your chat from that game so who knows...?

Though instead of asking just press /ff