Proposals for perma banned players

Neekoo Neeko Nee··4 votes·3,510 views

Hello there boards! I hope you're having a wonderful morning or evening.

Permanent suspensions are a frequent topic within the LoL community. After receiving three warnings, you still failed to stop being toxic and flaming (or inting) excessively and were banned.

Now, just last night, my friend received that ominious pop-up on his client: Your account has been penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. Please relog to see your ban duration and reform card. We were voice-cjatting on Discord, and he was praying: please let it be a 14-day ban, please.

And alas, it was a permanent ban. He was completely DEVASTATED. His account had been level 205 with over sixty skins. He was so, so, so upset, and while he did flame, it still felt heartbreaking.

I asked him what he'd do if Riot gave him a second chance. He responded, "I didn't think I'd actually get permabanned. I'd never talk again."

That's just my story. I'm sure most of you have a story about getting permabanned. Now, onto my proposals.

i think we should give permabanned players a chance to appeal their punishment and get to use their account again. HOWEVER, In order to apply, you must have a level 30 account with an honor level of 3+, which has never received a punishment for toxic behaviour (similar to the requirements to make a PBE account). This would prove that the permabanned player has reformed.

Now, after they get their account back, give them a very, very long chat restriction. Make them have a maximum for two message at a time,and the ban lasts 100-200 games, maybe even the rest of the season. Perhaps ban them from ranked queues for the duration of their chat ban, since in my experience ranked appears to blossom toxic behavior.

That's my proposal to give perma-banned players a second chance. Of course, at even the slightest gesture of toxicity, ban them again and make them ineligible to appeal again.

Now, I have a suggestion to help players realize that they are being toxic.

Most players say things they do not mean in the heat of a game, and regret it heavily afterwards. I know I have.

However, there's something we can do to help with this!

In the old client, there was something of a notifaction, that told you that you had been recently reported for verbal abuse, and that you should watch what you say in game. We should bring this back (and actually make it work, unlike the gifting pop-up).

I also know that your Honor progress will get slowed if you're being toxic, but not toxic enough to warrant a punishment - but without a notifcation. I think you should get a popup-, similar to a reform card, saying something alongs of the lines: "Greetings Summonor. You have recently exhibited unsportsmanlike behavior on the battlefield, and your Honor progress has been slowed. We know League can get heated at times, but please keep things respectful on the Fields of Justice!"

I'm not an expert by any means, but I really think that these changes could help. Please share your opinions! I'd love to hear them.

Have an amazing rest of your day or night. :)

38 Comments

Uriel12 votes

If 3 prior warnings/suspensions aren't a warning enough that someone is being toxic, I honest to god don't know what else will be.

Arcade Lulu10 votes

if permabanned people got their account back Permaban wouldn't be a big punishemnt anymore

Your friend should've thought about that before flaming. Knowing full well that after a 14 day ban you're on very thin ice and the next offence will lead to a permanent ban

Your friend had multiple chances to reform after the punishments but he didn't

DalekZec7 votes

3 god damn warnings to an eventual perma ban, if that is not obvious enough that you had multiple chances to be the better person in game, then i don't even know what's so difficult to comprehend about this bullshit.

Once perma banned, always perma banned. No amount of account level, money spent, skins owned, etc will change that.

Here's my suggestion: Tell your friend to make a new account, and to reform himself and let his perma ban be a daily reminder of his fuck up forever.

Jamaree6 votes

They actually had a system similar to what you suggested back in the day, it had some obscene failure rate of like 95% though so they scrapped it. There is an experiment possibly still going on again where they are trying another appeal, the jury is still out on whether it works or not, but the fact that Riot hasn't said anything about it in a while probably means it ain't doing too hot.

Side note, the various punishments beforehand WERE your second and third chances, a permaban is the last strike saying "Ok, you clearly aren't going to do anything besides make this whole thing shit for everyone, so just leave then."

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

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They actually had a system similar to what you suggested back in the day, it had some obscene failure rate of like 95% though so they scrapped it. There is an experiment possibly still going on again where they are trying another appeal, the jury is still out on whether it works or not, but the fact that Riot hasn't said anything about it in a while probably means it ain't doing too hot.

Side note, the various punishments beforehand WERE your second and third chances, a permaban is the last strike saying "Ok, you clearly aren't going to do anything besides make this whole thing shit for everyone, so just leave then."

I think that after receiving a perma-ban, players think, "Wow, I really was that toxic." My friend in particular wasn't that toxic every game, but he had games where he just blew up and flamed everyone (usually while playing Yasuo, go figure.)

I myself had an account that I worked hard on, level 79 with a lot of skins and mastery levels, perma banned last April, and I'm still troubled for it, and in disbelief when i look at just how obscenely toxic the chatlogs were and how deserved the ban was. And now? I'm reformed. I make good use of the mute button and I rarley speak in chat. I believe that playres who have been perma-banned and managed to reform deserve another chance. What I suggested in my post might not be the best, because of course riot did try something like this long ago, but I think that nowadays the success rate might be better, since now we have free rewards and honor. (I cant recall exactly when it was, season 3 or so?)

Timethief493 votes

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I think that after receiving a perma-ban, players think, "Wow, I really was that toxic." My friend in particular wasn't that toxic every game, but he had games where he just blew up and flamed everyone (usually while playing Yasuo, go figure.)

I myself had an account that I worked hard on, level 79 with a lot of skins and mastery levels, perma banned last April, and I'm still troubled for it, and in disbelief when i look at just how obscenely toxic the chatlogs were and how deserved the ban was. And now? I'm reformed. I make good use of the mute button and I rarley speak in chat. I believe that playres who have been perma-banned and managed to reform deserve another chance. What I suggested in my post might not be the best, because of course riot did try something like this long ago, but I think that nowadays the success rate might be better, since now we have free rewards and honor. (I cant recall exactly when it was, season 3 or so?)

So the permaban worked. Since you got one the 14 day didnt work. So we see that we need a ultimatum for players. Its good to hear that you are reformed now, doesnt change the fact that you were toxic on your old account and no reason for it to get unbanned.

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

I said it before, but I don't wanna get unbanned. It would be nice, I don't lie, but I don't deserve that. Other players do, like i believe my friend does, but I've had my chances to reform.

MordridtheBlack2 votes

he is welcome to appeal the ban but I highly doubt it will get undone (as far as I know permabans are just that, permabans. the never get overturned)

and i'm sorry to say but I agree with the other people

riot used to have more steps in the punishment process

however they saw players partly abusing that so they changed it to what it is now ( no idea if this part is true, it's what I've heard)

you have 4 shots to make sure your account doesn't get yeeted into nothingness

and on the third instance it warns you by going "Hey, this is it, you screw up again...you are gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You had your chances. We will be watching."

now yes, you can de-escalate punishment tiers but you have to play games (I think someone roughly mathed it to be about 300-400 games) "without" getting reported to drop down a tier

honestly for you and your friend, this game and other mobas may not be for you, i'm not sure any online multiplayer game is for you because they all have their limits (either directly or through the system the game is on) of what they will handle before the camel's back breaks

Ricje9 votes

Knew I recognized the name..

[{quoted}](name=Neekoo Neeko Nee,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vrulxBAI,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-11T10:24:58.910+0000) I myself had an account that I worked hard on, level 79 with a lot of skins and mastery levels, perma banned last April

So one account was permabanned and another of your account received a 14 day ban several weeks ago as well? https://gyazo.com/18105d6c7695f6f4a2fdfb415ffd2835

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My account's gonna be coming back from a 14 day ban in 3 days.

Is that the reason you keep making posts about the "ban" topic? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RMAI2UOE-could-i-get-punished-for-this

Is this "proposal" post really about your friend or did you get your 25th account banned? https://gyazo.com/ffe3be5a2851e32eac2f5698acfb5616

i think we should give permabanned players a chance to appeal their punishment and get to use their account again.

You have plenty of chances in the form of chat bans and a 14 day ban. If you can't reform in that period of time then it's your own fault. Someone that already had 24 accounts banned (atleast you claim you've had 24 accounts banned) should realize this by now (shouldn't even need to take 24 accounts).

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

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Knew I recognized the name..

So one account was permabanned and another of your account received a 14 day ban several weeks ago as well? https://gyazo.com/18105d6c7695f6f4a2fdfb415ffd2835

Is that the reason you keep making posts about the "ban" topic? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RMAI2UOE-could-i-get-punished-for-this

Is this "proposal" post really about your friend or did you get your 25th account banned? https://gyazo.com/ffe3be5a2851e32eac2f5698acfb5616

You have plenty of chances in the form of chat bans and a 14 day ban. If you can't reform in that period of time then it's your own fault. Someone that already had 24 accounts banned (atleast you claim you've had 24 accounts banned) should realize this by now (shouldn't even need to take 24 accounts).

I'm not talking about myself here, but about other playres. I'm understanding that I'm not the nicest of players and my bans were deserved, I've had very many chances and ruined them all, but I'm talking about other playres, specifically my friend. He's a nice guy and got banned because he just blew up one game. I can link you his profile if you want some proof.

Ricje6 votes

You don't get permanently banned for 1 game. As I (and many others before me) have said repeatedly: Players already get multiple chances. If a player doesn't do anything with those chances then it's their own fault. The system doesn't need to change. The players need to.

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

actually you do get banned for one game most of the time. Riot just puts other games there, where you were recently reported for toxic behavior.

Jamaree3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neekoo Neeko Nee,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vrulxBAI,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-11T10:24:58.910+0000)

I think that after receiving a perma-ban, players think, "Wow, I really was that toxic." My friend in particular wasn't that toxic every game, but he had games where he just blew up and flamed everyone (usually while playing Yasuo, go figure.)

Which is still a lot more then others.

I myself had an account that I worked hard on, level 79 with a lot of skins and mastery levels, perma banned last April, and I'm still troubled for it, and in disbelief when i look at just how obscenely toxic the chatlogs were and how deserved the ban was. And now? I'm reformed. I make good use of the mute button and I rarley speak in chat. I believe that playres who have been perma-banned and managed to reform deserve another chance. What I suggested in my post might not be the best, because of course riot did try something like this long ago, but I think that nowadays the success rate might be better, since now we have free rewards and honor. (I cant recall exactly when it was, season 3 or so?)

That is you, and that is good that you reformed, but consequences are just that. IF, the test they are trying works out, they MIGHT give more chances, but don't hold your breath.

Eedat6 votes

You're not reformed at all lol. You just got off a two week ban a few weeks ago and even since that ban you've intentionally trolled lmao

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You aren't the slightest bit reformed.

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

? This was one game, I have not intentionally trolled since getting unbanned. I always try my hardest to win. I'd recommend you stop stalking my profiles and making assumptions on situations you know nothing about.

GatekeeperTDS4 votes

LOL - people start doing some research into your claims and now you jump on them for "stalking." Don't come to the boards with a sob story if you don't want people to check facts.

Eedat3 votes

Its not stalking. You just constantly post here with lies trying to desperately convince people you're this reformed good guy to manipulate them. In reality, you said you have 20-something banned accounts and this account you're posting on should also 100% be permabanned for hard trolling a match just one week after your 14 day ban. You realize that 99+% of players don't get a single account banned right? Yet here you are telling people how reformed you are AGAIN ***just one week *** after getting caught trolling. One week.

If you don't want to be called out, you shouldn't lie so much and it's not stalking when people catch on to you. You're a manipulator that's mad about getting caught and called out so you've attempted to flip it into "stalking" to try to regain control. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but people remembering that someone blatantly lied to them not being fooled the next time isn't stalking. It's just called being normal.

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

Yes I have over 27 permanently banned accounts, another on a 2 week banned and another on a 10 game chat ban. I really do not care. I don't flame on my main account lol. I'm reformed; once I was genuinely toxic and didn't know how to stop, now I just go onto a smurf to flame and int when I'm tilted or feeling like shit. It is funny to watch how mad people can get over a video game. One day they will realize that it is just that, a GAME.

and I'll repeat this again. The game where I was supposed "trolling", I was being BULLIED by my teammates the ENTIRE game. Constant harassment and verbal abuse. So why not show them that their behavior is unacceptable by building troll items and throwing spells in base for seven minutes after which I returned to playing normally. I believe that every game is winnable no matter the odds - but when I am being bullied and finding absolutely NO fun in playing a game, you can be assured I'm not going to play it out seriously.

BTW that statistic is absolute bullshit. Literally every single person I know has an account that's been banned or punished at least once, not to mention that low level games are utterly flooded with toxic permabanned players. Now if you will excuse me, since I can't seem to escape bullying and harassment even on the boards i will just close my account and post on a new one.

Eedat2 votes

Yes I have over 27 permanently banned accounts, another on a 2 week banned and another on a 10 game chat ban.

now I just go onto a smurf to flame and int when I'm tilted or feeling like shit

So why not show them that their behavior is unacceptable by building troll items and throwing spells in base for seven minutes?

I'm reformed

LOL

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

To the people who want to play the game without tilting and flaming others, I'm reformed.

Eedat3 votes

*** You literally JUST admitted that you still flame the fuck out of people and troll across multiple accounts***

This is some of the most delusional, ridiculous stuff I've seen on this board. You aren't reformed at all. Convincing yourself that you're reformed doesn't mean you're reformed. It means you're delusional.

Jamaree1 votes

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Yes I have over 27 permanently banned accounts, another on a 2 week banned and another on a 10 game chat ban. I really do not care. I don't flame on my main account lol. I'm reformed; once I was genuinely toxic and didn't know how to stop, now I just go onto a smurf to flame and int when I'm tilted or feeling like shit. It is funny to watch how mad people can get over a video game. One day they will realize that it is just that, a GAME.

and I'll repeat this again. The game where I was supposed "trolling", I was being BULLIED by my teammates the ENTIRE game. Constant harassment and verbal abuse. So why not show them that their behavior is unacceptable by building troll items and throwing spells in base for seven minutes after which I returned to playing normally. I believe that every game is winnable no matter the odds - but when I am being bullied and finding absolutely NO fun in playing a game, you can be assured I'm not going to play it out seriously.

BTW that statistic is absolute bullshit. Literally every single person I know has an account that's been banned or punished at least once, not to mention that low level games are utterly flooded with toxic permabanned players. Now if you will excuse me, since I can't seem to escape bullying and harassment even on the boards i will just close my account and post on a new one.

Not a single one of my irls friends who plays this game has a banned or even punished account, but o.

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

Then that's just you. don't make up a fake percentage, because it's more like 60% of players have never had a banned account.

Jamaree3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neekoo Neeko Nee,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vrulxBAI,comment-id=00000000000300000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-12T08:59:43.379+0000)

Then that's just you. don't make up a fake percentage, because it's more like 60% of players have never had a banned account.

Says don't make up a fake percentage.

Immediately brings up a fake percentage?

[sg-lux-2]

Neekoo Neeko Nee1 votes

Key word: "more like". It's simply an estimate.

Jamaree3 votes

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Key word: "more like". It's simply an estimate.

And that makes it a not fake percentage then?

church arson2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Neekoo Neeko Nee,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vrulxBAI,comment-id=000000000003000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-11T23:40:34.186+0000)

Yes I have over 27 permanently banned accounts, another on a 2 week banned and another on a 10 game chat ban. I really do not care. I don't flame on my main account lol. I'm reformed; once I was genuinely toxic and didn't know how to stop, now I just go onto a smurf to flame and int when I'm tilted or feeling like shit. It is funny to watch how mad people can get over a video game. One day they will realize that it is just that, a GAME.

and I'll repeat this again. The game where I was supposed "trolling", I was being BULLIED by my teammates the ENTIRE game. Constant harassment and verbal abuse. So why not show them that their behavior is unacceptable by building troll items and throwing spells in base for seven minutes after which I returned to playing normally. I believe that every game is winnable no matter the odds - but when I am being bullied and finding absolutely NO fun in playing a game, you can be assured I'm not going to play it out seriously.

BTW that statistic is absolute bullshit. Literally every single person I know has an account that's been banned or punished at least once, not to mention that low level games are utterly flooded with toxic permabanned players. Now if you will excuse me, since I can't seem to escape bullying and harassment even on the boards i will just close my account and post on a new one.

If you have 27 permabanned accounts, there isn't much to discuss. You say you regret it. Obviously you actually don't. If you managed to get banned that many times, all the blame is on you.

You are of those who make this game hell. You're immature as fuck and toxic. I can't believe you think flaming or inting on a smurf is not toxic. You try to block people from enjoying a game because you are pathetic as fuck.

They are trying to cover for your sorry childish ass in a 4v5, or a 4v6 when you int, and you are here calling them out for taking this too seriously. You're wasting their time. Nobody has to take your bullshit.

It's you who has to realize this is a game that people enjoy and if you make it shit on purpose, probably thousands of times, you, are just pitiful.

I'm gonna dodge instantly if I ever get put in a match with you.

KFCeytron2 votes

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? This was one game, I have not intentionally trolled since getting unbanned. I always try my hardest to win. I'd recommend you stop stalking my profiles and making assumptions on situations you know nothing about.

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GatekeeperTDS6 votes

Nah, rulebreaking needs to have consequences and punishments are supposed to feel bad and gross.

Your buddy had chances to feel remorseful and improve his behavior, but he squandered them. It's unlikely that yet another chance would change that, and I see nothing good about encouraging extremely toxic permabanned players from creating new accounts and polluting the experience for actual new players.

ModUlanopo6 votes

It's worth noting that Riot's statistics suggest rather the opposite of what you're suggesting, which is part of the reason they don't use your method.

What they realized is that most people reform after one punishment, regardless of what that punishment is. Regardless of whether or not it takes all four steps or you get an escalated ban, the recidivism rate for people who get to permaban is in the ballpark of 90%.

ModPrandine3 votes

While it is unfortunate, players are given multiple chances to improve their behavior before they get permabanned. If they can't be bothered to be behave in a mature and respectful manner then why should they be allowed to continue playing? The line has to be drawn somewhere.

To quote Umbral Regent:

If you got your main account permanently banned, the only way you can prove your reform is to not get any further accounts banned.

Riot isn't going to give you infinite chances, they have to put their foot down somewhere - and that somewhere happens to be after the 14-day ban. If you can't be bothered to listen to three separate warnings at the very least, then, why should your main account be given a fourth try? You've already proven three separate times that you don't care about the rules.

My opinion is that if you're worth getting your account back, you wouldn't have gotten it banned in the first place.

U Ratchet1 votes

Agreed but you expect players to not flame once in 5-6 months? Even when they get pop up notifications that they’re doing better and their honor level is rising, that’s kind of absurd don’t you think? I have points dropped off my driving record faster than league drops points off a chat restriction.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Agreed but you expect players to not flame once in 5-6 months? Even when they get pop up notifications that they’re doing better and their honor level is rising, that’s kind of absurd don’t you think? I have points dropped off my driving record faster than league drops points off a chat restriction.

There are plenty of outlets to vent ones frustrations that don't involve yelling and raging at other players in-game. Whenever I get frustrated I simply yell and rage at the screen or punch a pillow or something and never take it out on others in-game. It is not Riot's nor anyone elses job to control someones behavior for them, and while they can certainly try to encourage players to vent their frustrations through other out-of-game outlets if the players won't do that and wind up getting punished for it then quite frankly that's on them and not Riot.

Scuttle3 votes

I'm sure most of you have a story about getting permabanned. Now, onto my proposals.

That's a definite NO for most people here. I've never even gotten a chat restriction, nor anyone I know.

Kei1432 votes

Sometimes it takes a great loss for people to change. They can only move forward after that point. Can't keep crying over spilt milk forever.

Sebastit7d2 votes

Sounds to me like your friend got banned from toxicity in chat, which takes multiple steps to result in a permaban, the fact that he said "if i knew it was a perma ban i'd never talk again" means he got through multiple warnings and kept being toxic. Ban well deserved if you ask me.

church arson1 votes

If the permabanned get another chance, people will know about this and will stop taking permaban as seriously. Absolutely r%%%%%ed suggestion.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

i think we should give permabanned players a chance to appeal their punishment

That's called chat restriction & 14 days suspension. Nothing else.

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