Why is toxicity a bad thing

Checkm4te·12/22/2018, 9:17:32 PM·2 votes·2,722 views

Please do not down-vote me without giving a reply, I beg you, I legit am very curious.

Why is it that players love to blame toxicity for losing their games ? If you're below d2, 95% of the games you lost is because of you and only you, not your teammates, a better player would have won the game.

I don't get the hate around toxicity in competitive, people aren't toxic for no reason.

It's very rare you encounter someone that is toxic just because he likes being toxic, usually toxic players view the game as lost when its like 0-5 and theyll just give up.

Here's my point of view, if the games 0-5, you most likely deserve that elo because you should already have a kill by then

To sum it up , look at TF blade he wont drop a game until d5 he legit goes 20-0 most of the times until d5 and he encounters a lot of toxics and trolls.

I dont get the hate around toxicity and why it should be bannable.

39 Comments

ModThe Djinn12/22/2018, 9:28:14 PM12 votes

Simply put, I play League to have fun, and I understand that I won't win every game. When someone persists in behaving in a way intended to belittle, insult, or harass others, they're doing far more damage to my experience than someone playing poorly

Cats Are Food12/22/2018, 9:20:45 PM9 votes

Games are supposed go be fun, and having a 13yo ranting and raving at you all game destroys that for everyone. Not only that, but once players stop having fun they stop trying as hard to win, because now all they want is away from the toxic player. Even if it means catching a loss.

You CAN ignore them, but most of them proceed to Int, run down the lane, sell all their items, etc once they figure out they are being ignored. In a negative form of demanding attention. Like an ignored child.

Umbral Regent12/22/2018, 9:55:13 PM8 votes

Why is toxicity a bad thing? Well, let's see...

For starters, toxicity ruins communication between teams. If one person starts going out of their way to be an asshole, nobody is going to want to work with that person. Beyond that, they'll likely also mute him, thus cutting off any ability for said toxic player to communicate with his team if/when he stops throwing his fit.

Toxicity also lowers morale, which makes teams play worse. Positive feedback loops, despite the name, can be pretty fucking awful to experience, and it all starts with one small thing to set everything off. First it's toxicity/negativity, then something bad happens in-game, and suddenly everyone is expecting things to just keep going downhill from there.

Additionally, targeted toxicity (insults, flame), can aggravate/tilt/otherwise dampen the target's ability to play well, as well as those who aren't the target. I, for one, get aggravated whenever someone starts flaming, and I guarantee you I'm more likely to make mistakes when I'm aggravated than when I'm in a clear state of mind.

Fourth; Gameplay toxicity, naturally, severely decreases a team's chance of winning, period. Whether it's an intentional feeder or a troll or someone calling out positions over /all chat, they're going to make the game that much harder to win.

Fifth; the toxic player is making themselves play poorly by focusing more of their attention on flaming and being toxic in chat than actually playing the game. I've lost games because one of my teammates decided that it would be altogether better to just run off at the mouth instead of focus on the game and try to win. That plan didn't work out for them.

And, for the last point, I'll just quote The Djinn, as he put it pretty succinctly.

Simply put, I play League to have fun, and I understand that I won't win every game. When someone persists in behaving in a way intended to belittle, insult, or harass others, they're doing far more damage to my experience than someone playing poorly

So, now that I've answered your question, how's about you answer this one: Why do you think toxicity is a good thing?

King Lego12/22/2018, 9:59:52 PM5 votes

Well....imagine you're playing football, and have this one player who is saying "go kill yourself!" , "you suck!", "i banged your mom!", "you are useless!" etc. all this out loud in the middle of the football field while not helping his team out and passed the ball to the opponent whenever he gets it.

So yeah. Toxicity ruins games and gives the players a bad time and experience.

Modi12/22/2018, 10:58:49 PM5 votes

Toxicity, otherwise known as negative behavior, breeds more of the same. When one person becomes aggressive, it often (very, very often from my games) causes several others to begin raising their level of negativity. I have seen it in my teammates, I have seen it in my opponents, I have even seen it within myself. It is usually around that time that I ope to mute others, rather than get more involved.

When another player becomes aggressive/negative, it tends to make the original player feel validated, that their behavior was a proper reaction to the situation. When people are not focusing on the game, but are focusing on getting the next zinger in, it disrupts their play, causing even more mistakes, which in turn causes more toxicity...a cycle that can be avoided.

Regarding this part:

95% of the games you lost is because of you and only you, not your teammates, a better player would have won the game.

You have to recognize that this is a team game. There is no "if I just played better, we would have won". There may be situations where that is the case, but you playing better in one situation is not necessarily going to turn the tide of the whole game. Maybe you getting that pick will help, but it will also change your opponents strategy, causing a completely different game to occur.

Back to the team game, you win as a team and lose as a team. The mindset that "if [you|I|he|she] played better we would have won" is not that of a team player. The best thing to do is check your ego at the door, because the fact of the matter is, no matter who caused the loss, everyone on the team lost together.

mtothe6thpower12/22/2018, 10:04:00 PM4 votes

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Why is it that players love to blame toxicity for losing their games ? If you're below d2, 95% of the games you lost is because of you and only you, not your teammates, a better player would have won the game.

To sum it up , look at TF blade he wont drop a game until d5 he legit goes 20-0 most of the times until d5 and he encounters a lot of toxics and trolls.

I dont get the hate around toxicity and why it should be bannable.

Because it's not just you, unless you are significantly better than your enemy then it's remarkably hard to carry people who don't want to be carried. Most toxic people don't want to be carried, they want to either carry themselves and rage if they aren't winning, or throw the game because they're rage splitting or AFK in jungle.
He's significantly better than his enemies. He's been challenger for literal years. His obviously leaps and bounds better than anyone below D5, and even then he drops games in D5, according to you, where he's still better than his competition but the hinderance of a toxic player will prevent him from carrying.
Because the game expects you to be sportsmanlike, toxicity is unsportsmanlike, so it's bannable. Someone wouldn't talk to people in a community basketball league like they do in League of Legends. And if they did, they'd be warned, then eventually asked to leave, just like Riot does to people when they're banned.

EvilDustMan12/22/2018, 9:46:55 PM3 votes

Because having someone who is the internet equivalent of a yappy dog every time I make a mistake or just SEEM to make a mistake is irritating.

jocomotion12/23/2018, 12:45:53 AM2 votes

There’s nothing to be gained from being toxic to your teammates.

It’d be better to just keep quiet rather than insulting your teammates.
wasting time typing, wasting time argueing, and wasting your teammates time doing the same things. (It’s fine when talking strategy, but using it just to insult teammates is literally just wasting time)

brings down everyone’s morale.

“Just ff, X obviously no point in fighting” “teammate X is so (%%%%%%ed, stupid, boosted, etc...) shouldn’t be playing at MY elo” “Go back to bronze” no one wants someone like this on their team, and some people (believe it or not) do play worse whenever they have people on their team spout nonsense like this. It’s less potent for ranked, but still holds true, people lose their spirits, not wanting to either play anymore or simply leaving the game. And believe me, I’ve seen people play worse after being flamed in game. (Like going from 0/2/1 to 0/7/3, not because he was loosing intentionally, but because he stopped trying his hardest.)

It’s just rude

I feel like this should just be common sense, but no one wants these jerks in their games. Just like people who are loud at the library, or people who answer calls in movie theaters, or people who curse cashiers out for something minor, toxic people in any multiplayer game aren’t welcome. No one enjoys being unjustifiably judged. If someone’s playing badly you Could just leave them alone or better yet offer constructive criticism. Unless they’re losing intentionally, there’s no reason to be so frustrated with them that you openly insult them to the point of mild harassment.

World peace plz12/23/2018, 12:06:21 AM2 votes

I think hes actually talking about what for efect it has on the game. A while back i had a yi and gragas flame the sh!t out of eatch other. I muted them but i no good feelings about cause as umbral regent very wel said it cuts of communication between teams.

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ12/22/2018, 9:51:59 PM1 votes

"If you're below d2, 95% of the games you lost is because of you and only you, not your teammates, a better player would have won the game."

Nice shitpost