The edge of what is and isn't inting, IMO

Marshbouy··2 votes·1,271 views

If someone is literally running down mid and dying repeatedly, that's definitely inting. If someone has over 20 deaths, very low kills/assists, it's almost certainly inting. But, if someone is losing lane and doing poorly, at what moment do they start inting?

Lets set up a scenario. Garen top VS Fiora. Garen is getting completely rekt, he's 0/4 and the CS is 17 to 60. It's about 10 minutes into the game. He is not inting if -he gets ganked turret dived 2v1 -he gets turret dived 1v1 -he gets flashed on and/or killed from a long range -he gets ganked and killed before he gets under tower -he gets inseced or stunlocked by a jungler

He is inting if -He continues to walk up to fight fiora, knowing that it's definitely going to be death, repeatedly. (While getting 0 cs for it)

You can't tell me that repeatedly walking up to a champion you know will kill you isn't inting. You know you are going to die if this happens, and you do it anyway. That's by definition intentionally feeding/dying. If you can't recognize that you can't fight them after dying 3 times and being at a large CS disadvantage, then I am seriously questioning how you manage to get through the process of downloading league in the first place.

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Chermorg5 votes

Let's have a chat here. I play Illaoi sometimes. My Illaoi playstyle is very CS oriented. In a good game, I'll have around 9-10 cs per minute top lane (yeah it's not the best but it's usually 40-50 more than anyone else in the game in my elo). I'll go very negative (handful of kills, sometimes 10+ deaths). I will continuously walk into an enemy, giving them 50-150 more gold, but in exchange I'll get 20+ more CS (which more than makes up the gold difference).

I will end up with the most damage done, or if not I will be a big portion of the win (not all of it, maybe not even half, but a decent sizable portion of the reason we won).

Are you actually trying to tell me that I'm inting by doing that?

Marshbouy2 votes

fine. I'll make an edit.

Chermorg2 votes

I'm using my case as an example as to how much of a grey area it is.

If we lose the game before 25-30 minutes, people accuse me of intentionally feeding. Was I? No. Does it appear that way? Not if you look at the statistics, hence why I've never been warned/punished for it.

If we go on to lose after 30 mins, or win, nothing from the team accusing me of inting.

But it's cases like this that are the borderline. It's hard to detect and just constantly dying to a champion that you think you can take on is not inting. Intentional feeding means intentionally dying - if someone legitimately thinks they can take on an enemy and they can't, that's bad gameplay and being bad at the game. Not trolling/intentionally feeding

Marshbouy1 votes

if someone legitimately thinks they can take on an enemy and they can't, that's bad gameplay and being bad at the game. Not trolling/intentionally feeding

you clearly did not read my post.

Chermorg2 votes

How the heck are you supposed (or Riot supposed) to know if he knew it would be death?

Marshbouy1 votes

You can't tell me that repeatedly walking up to a champion you know will kill you isn't inting. You know you are going to die if this happens, and you do it anyway. That's by definition intentionally feeding/dying. If you can't recognize that you can't fight them after dying 3 times and being at a large CS disadvantage, then I am seriously questioning how you manage to get through the process of downloading league in the first place.

Chermorg2 votes

"you know will kill you" how do you know that he "kn[e]w [the enemy] will kill [him]"?

Marshbouy1 votes

because it's fucking obvious. it's incredibly fucking obvious. If you have died three times already, what makes you think the fourth will be any different?

Chermorg3 votes

Finishing an item, catching them by surprise, more health from level up, full mana this time, better vision to not get ganked...

Long laundry list of things can cause someone to legitimately think it will be different every single thing.

Chermorg2 votes

Isn't the entire game of League when you're behind based on changing something (buying an item, getting levels, finishing an item, etc) then trying to get kills to get back in it?

Marshbouy2 votes

I'm done wasting my time talking with you. Keep defending int feeders dude, I just hope I never have to play with you in a game.

Chermorg3 votes

You never answered my question. You came to the boards to have a discussion I presume. Or did you just come to look for yes-men to fuel your negative attitude that bad players should be punished.

Marshbouy3 votes

Aight. I'm a sucker for internet fights. This is the last try. If you still come up with some BS way to talk your way around a guy inting then I'm not going to waste my time talking anymore.

Finishing an item

Chances are if you are far behind and CS and the enemy has multiple kills on you, they would have already finished an item and would be well on their way to a second or even third item by the time you have finished one. That puts you at a huge disadvantage. If your item is so core on your champion that you can come back from a large CS loss and being down in kills and XP (because dying puts you behind in XP), then i'll be darned.

catching them by surprise

Rarely will this work out properly. Unless you can somehow burst them instantly before they can use their kit, this wouldn't happen. Rarely are people good enough to start snowballing early dumb enough to recall with low resources in a very vulnerable position. The element of surprise rarely makes up for a gold and XP deficit.

more health from level up

too bad the enemy would have leveled up too and already is a higher level because you died repeatedly.

full mana this time

this changes nothing. If there are two champions with full mana, but one is behind in gold and XP, 99/100 times the guy behind is going to lose.

better vision to not get ganked

this does not change the fact that in a 1v1 situation, 99/100 times the guy that is behind is going to lose.

If it's a very low power off meta top vs a high power meta top then sure it might be ever so slightly more possible for you to win.

Isn't the entire game of League when you're behind based on changing something (buying an item, getting levels, finishing an item, etc) then trying to get kills to get back in it?

it is long term. you aren't going to come back in lane by buying one item. You don't see lane bullies suddenly lose lane just because the enemy bought an item. that's not how the game works. You come back in the game/lane by playing safe, getting CS, and trying not to put yourself farther behind. This means not fighting when disadvantageous.

this is all barring skill. If you died 3 times 1v1 because they played better, then the 4rth time isn't going to be much different unless the goddamn stars align or the enemy player has a massive brain fart and botches the attack completely.

You came to the boards to have a discussion I presume.

yes, with people who don't support running in 1v1 over and over again to "get back in the game"

Or did you just come to look for yes-men to fuel your negative attitude that bad players should be punished.

let me fix that

Or did you just come to look for yes-men to fuel your negative attitude that intentional feeders or players who are so bad that they can't be told apart from intentional feeders should be punished.

Ghosty9101 votes

you are level 20. you are inting

CasabIancas1 votes

{quoted}

Let's have a chat here. I play Illaoi sometimes. My Illaoi playstyle is very CS oriented. In a good game, I'll have around 9-10 cs per minute top lane (yeah it's not the best but it's usually 40-50 more than anyone else in the game in my elo). I'll go very negative (handful of kills, sometimes 10+ deaths). I will continuously walk into an enemy, giving them 50-150 more gold, but in exchange I'll get 20+ more CS (which more than makes up the gold difference).

I will end up with the most damage done, or if not I will be a big portion of the win (not all of it, maybe not even half, but a decent sizable portion of the reason we won).

Are you actually trying to tell me that I'm inting by doing that?

Yes I will tell you that youre inting and that you should farm under tower, not go up and continously feed her until you're 0/10

KORGtuners2 votes

It only takes one death to be an intentional feeder.

Tails90161 votes

Starts match as top laner Mid laner: "Don't feed Yi( enemy top laner) mePantheon : "Ok" Yi get's first blood on me Pantheon How did I mess that up so ba- Mid-laner(insert squishy mage here):"I SAID DON'T FEED YI" Happened a while ago, and this is what happened, pretty sure we won though.

KORGtuners3 votes

Did you know?

It only takes one death to be an unintentional feeder.

Tails90161 votes

O

Guess I'm going to jungle as a farm heavy champ

ThePikol2 votes

What if said Garen is 0/4/0 and still try to 1v1 that fed Fiora? He of course will die but because he's "trying" Riot will not punish him as in their eyes its not int

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Lets say Garen was inting- You now have to play vs a 20/0 Fiora whom you have no chance of winning against. Fun experience.

Lets say Garen had "just a bad game"- You now have to play vs a 20/0 Fiora whom you have no chance of winning against. Fun experience.

At some point, "intent" shouldn't matter.

Marshbouy1 votes

At some point, "intent" shouldn't matter.

I disagree. I played with a completely non toxic riven who got completely shit on in lane. She died at least 6 times under tower. She died twice, then proceeded to get tower dived the rest of the game even when playing safe and building defensively. She played poorly, that's why she lost, but she did not fight them knowing she would lose.

At some point, "intent" shouldn't matter.

and it really does if you are reporting them for inting or not.

Chermorg3 votes

You cannot punish people for being bad at the game.

You. Cannot. Punish. People. For. Being. Bad. At. The. Game.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

I don't see why not. And I'm not suggesting players should be perma'd for being bad. But there should be some kind of punishment, maybe larger LP/MMR loss or temporary ranked bans. If someone goes 0/20, is it really unreasonable to restrict them from Ranked for a few hours?

Chermorg3 votes

Yes, it's unreasonable to punish people in any way for any amount of time for being bad.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

So why is it acceptable for those players to ruin the game for others and create very negative situations with virtually no repercussions?

LightSword4 votes

By this logic we should stop further accounts from being created. New accounts could mean new players, who are often bad if they aren't really good at other similar games.

You would pretty much suggest implementing a system that made it impossible for people to learn, and then wonder why they aren't learning.

Chermorg1 votes

This.

HarambeMeme1 votes

its league of legends the most toxic game out there what you expect

i personally play mobile legends now cuase its way less toxic and more fun

YerroFever1 votes

The difference between bad game and inting is really the mental state of the player and the only thing we can do is try to infer what their mental state is by observing their behavior.

If there's a person who is very stubborn and really vindictive and wants that kill and keeps going in and ignoring CS, that's just bad playing.

If there's a person who has given up and just wants to let their lane snowball to end the game faster and keeps going in and ignoring CS, that's intentional feeding.

Since I don't know the player from a hole in the wall, I have to make a best guess when observing them. When they chat, it's a lot easier to tell when they're trolling because they usually troll you in chat in addition to trolling you through their game play.

The hard ones to figure out are the silent trollers, especially the ones who build items and look like they're trying to last hit but failing, etc...

Drugoth1 votes

{quoted}

If someone is literally running down mid and dying repeatedly, that's definitely inting. If someone has over 20 deaths, very low kills/assists, it's almost certainly inting. But, if someone is losing lane and doing poorly, at what moment do they start inting?

Lets set up a scenario. Garen top VS Fiora. Garen is getting completely rekt, he's 0/4 and the CS is 17 to 60. It's about 10 minutes into the game. He is not inting if -he gets ganked turret dived 2v1 -he gets turret dived 1v1 -he gets flashed on and/or killed from a long range -he gets ganked and killed before he gets under tower -he gets inseced or stunlocked by a jungler

He is inting if -He continues to walk up to fight fiora, knowing that it's definitely going to be death, repeatedly. (While getting 0 cs for it)

You can't tell me that repeatedly walking up to a champion you know will kill you isn't inting. You know you are going to die if this happens, and you do it anyway. That's by definition intentionally feeding/dying. If you can't recognize that you can't fight them after dying 3 times and being at a large CS disadvantage, then I am seriously questioning how you manage to get through the process of downloading league in the first place.

Actually, that's the definition for insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results. :P

Some people think "Well if I just __ this time-" or "I wasn't prepared for that damage last time." You gotta give people the benefit of the doubt. I honestly doubt you can tell me with a straight face you haven't gone 0/5 in lane despite trying really hard not to feed.

Subdue1 votes

The fact of the matter is that people have different play styles. Some prefer slow games with a focus on objectives - typically these players have modest kill counts but also modest death counts. Others prefer more aggressive play, with a focus on crushing the opponent - typically these players have feast or famine games, either stomping or feeding. Both styles are valid styles at all levels of play. Here's an example, the 13th ranked Challenger player with a string of just such a famine.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=linsan%C3%ADty

Just because someone is doing poorly doesn't mean they're feeding intentionally.

DearPear1 votes

Int stands for intentional.

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