Pre-game Shenanigans: Rito Pls

Sorin Alucard··5 votes·588 views

I've already posted about this before. Normally repeating a post wouldn't be something I do, but I think it would be awesome to get real answers for this one.

Can we get some pre-game dissuasion to allies banning your pick intent pls? There are too many players who just straight up ban their allies' picks in rank then tell them f off or laugh at them. If its not happening to me, its happening to someone else in my lobby

I understand that you can post game report them by keeping track of their summoner names, but really that puts the targets of the trolling in a shittier position. Hear me out

One example is a promos game I had. Already won 1, lost 1. Ally bans my pick intent. Laughs and says mb. I say its ok it happens. switch my pick intent. His buddy who was next in line to ban, banned my second pick. Both start laughing. I continue the game and mute them when we start. We lose. There's little to no cooperation between me and these two. They ignore my pings, I don't follow them into a few plays, etc. Post game they're raging and demanding reports on me for trolling because they banned my pick intents.

End result, I played a game that was entirely unenjoyable for the sake of my LP and not wanting bans. I lost the LP, and had to submit my own counter report anyway. I still received a report

The other option would've been to dodge the lobby, get a penalty time, lose the LP, lose the promos slot. I could then report, but its not going to lift any penalties I just received, and they are probably playing another game already. This happens A LOT.

Let's also not forget how long these queue times are. I waited how long to get trolled? Now its either 30 min more trolling or 30 min no game? LP loss either way?

Do you see the inbalance in effort here? i receive more bans of my champions from allies who thinks its funny than my opponents who benefit from the decision. Even if you stick it out, how are players suppose to feel about being stuck with allies who have already actively screwed them at the word "Go"? Great player cohesion

I suggest pre game/ in game report But that's just a suggestion. Ultimately I just want people to have less power to mess up my game before it begins

18 Comments

Gimpy892 votes

the game shouldn't let you ban a champ that is selected as pick int. this is an easy fix.

Jabberwöcky1 votes

Uh this is a bad idea.

Brand new champ out?

Yorick Rework?

Ban Yas, and the guy who is 5th pick wants it, but no one owns him to trade and you dont want the enemy team to pick him?

I understand what your saying, but this could really screw up alot of people.

Maybe if you do what you said, BUT make it where in ranked, people cant pick a new champ/reworked one for two weeks, then i could accept this.

TrulyBland1 votes

Even then, this just shifts the possibility to troll. Right now people can troll by banning champions others intend to pick, if that was no longer possible, People could troll by "intending" to pick champions others would usually want to ban.

Might sound harsh, but at least banning an intended pick only harms one person per troll. Not being able to ban a certain champion on the other hand might screw over the entire team.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

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Even then, this just shifts the possibility to troll. Right now people can troll by banning champions others intend to pick, if that was no longer possible, People could troll by "intending" to pick champions others would usually want to ban.

Might sound harsh, but at least banning an intended pick only harms one person per troll. Not being able to ban a certain champion on the other hand might screw over the entire team.

That's a good point

What if the pick intent worked also like locking in a champion? So let's say troll wants to pick to mess with someone then switch right? Nope. Unless the enemy bans that champ, when selection comes back around they are stuck with their intended pick

To balance it the other way, those who don't declare pick intent are still free to proceed as normal and scan through the champs during their pick turn.

Last, I'd like to point out that off-meta players are suffering atm. I've seen many posts across the web listing the feels of wanting to play the off meta things, but then allies ban their picks. By locking intent, Off meta pickers can enjoy protection from ally bans

Now before the next response is "but now trolls can lock troll picks", 2 things: Anyone can troll in game with any champion pick. If someone picks off-meta and then trolls its just as report worthy as the Renekton who spammed his Lifeguard Tower into enemy tower all game lol Its not about the pick, its about in game behaviour

TrulyBland1 votes

But they don't need to switch. If they intentionally "intend" to pick something very overpowered as the last pick, they will simply not get that champion because the enemy will pick it before them.

I understand that it sucks to get your intended pick banned for the sake of preventing you from playing it, and I also understand that off-meta pickers suffer from this the most. That's why I absolutely believe that it should be punishable behaviour to ban somebody's intended pick with the intention of preventing them from playing it.

But that's just the problem, we are looking at two very different cases here, both of which would be prohibited by your suggestion. There are people that actively want to prevent their teammate from taking that champion, and there are those that do not want to take the risk of the enemy getting the champion.

And in such situations it's in my opinion always a better idea to punish the abuse cases, rather than limit everybody's ability to use a feature in the way it was intended to be used. Especially given that there's always the possibility of not announcing what you pick until the banning phase is over. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it's a workaround. A workaround that wouldn't work for the potential abuse case where people intentionally prevent certain bans.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

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Uh this is a bad idea.

Brand new champ out?

Yorick Rework?

Ban Yas, and the guy who is 5th pick wants it, but no one owns him to trade and you dont want the enemy team to pick him?

I understand what your saying, but this could really screw up alot of people.

Maybe if you do what you said, BUT make it where in ranked, people cant pick a new champ/reworked one for two weeks, then i could accept this.

I agree with your last statement of maybe preventing new champs from entering rank.

But on the flip side to everything else you've said, banning a champ because you don't want to deal with their bs is perfectly understandable when you see your allies have not intended to use those champs.

If the champs are SO OP and your ALLY wants to use one, it may behoove you to facilitate the attempt for them to acquire it, rather than ban it and cause internal strife.

Also, even before considering what champs will appear in game at all, I have a few more points that makes your approach silly with bias from my perspective

EVERY SINGLE GAME OF LEAGUE OF LEGENDS IS A GAMBLE. OP CHAMPS OR NOT YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR ALLIES/ENEMIES HARDLY AT ALL. Our skill levels are vast in difference, and even the best/worst of us have opposite games. (Ever check a guy who's record sucked then beat your ass? lol)

How does it help you win more to assume all of your allies are bad, untrustworthy, or how does it help to turn a possibly positive ally into a possibly negative one? All over a general character you're personally salty over?

Akali Annie Darius Illaoi Irelia Jax Leblanc Yorick Yasuo Malzahar Fiora Vayne Riven are all picks that can carry a game right up your anus if played right

But we've all seen these same champs get picked and absolutely get demolished too. Basically there are more of them than you can possibly ban, and based off that alone targeting your ally's pick is no more increasing you chance of not encountering a hard carry on the enemy team than letting your ally get the opportunity to pick them.

That might've been your ally's best champ for that role, you may have just forced them into a weaker pick----- you've gained salt and less likelihood of their best skill being shown.

Or the Enemy may get the pick over your ally, you exchange mutual "dammits", and then it turns out the Enemy BLOWS with the champ and opens a buffet of gold for you.

The Point: you cannot 100% predict match outcome. Your bans can't possibly cover all the champs who may beat you. You can control having a better match with your allies and possibly getting an OP pick for your team. I said it before too that if you say to your ally "hey can i ban that cuz you might not get it as x pick". They might agree with you. Then you get your wish and no salt. Best of all, you at least encouraged a better League experience

Morality Coach1 votes

No way dude, all the Bronze people want to play AD Thresh top in norms now, gotta ban that.

Too many kids who failed at ranked going off meta high skill cap in the normals right now cause of pride and ego.

Karunamon1 votes

I still received a report

You don't know if you received a report or not.

I suggest pre game/ in game report

For the love of gods this. There are so many more ways to screw with someone other than in game, and that's the only thing Riot lets you report.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

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Karunamon2 votes

A player has no way to see who reported them - all you have to go on are the words of trolls who very well could be lying because bogus reports can get you banned all by themselves.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

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You don't know if you received a report or not.

For the love of gods this. There are so many more ways to screw with someone other than in game, and that's the only thing Riot lets you report.

They said they reported me

Either way it sucks. Trying to lower salt levels

Sorin Alucard1 votes

^ Form of apology

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

If you're one of the last 2-3 to pick(depending on side) and your pick intent is, for example, Fiora, then I'm gonna ban Fiora to prevent the enemy team from getting her unless the first or second(again depending on side) pick is willing to grab her for you. No offense or anything, but I don't want to deal with a possibly fed Fiora. Or if it's a new champion because I'd rather not risk the enemy getting them.

I can see why it should be reportable, which it is if they did in fact say/prove they did it on purpose to troll/tilt you, but if it IS an accident or any of the two things above, just deal with it instead of whining or don't show your pick intent.

Also, there is/was a bug where it wouldn't show your pick intent. So a mistaken ban could happen if for some reason the client wasn't showing your pick intent for the person/people banning.

Ryuyah1 votes

You know that losing promos with 97 LP and playing another match is better than losing promos with ~75 LP and wasting 30+ minutes of your time with trolls right?

Morality Coach1 votes

Nothing wrong with going hard in the pregame. That's how I work all my toxic out so I can be quiet during the game.

Riot agrees with me, pre chat is not counted in the tribunal and I doubt people actually get banned for pre game chat on a manual review.

phil7011 votes

It should run on a LeaverBuster like system, where multiple repeated ally pick intent bans cause punishment. I hate trolls, but if mid and top are last 2 picks and one selects Yasuo, I'm still banning him if no one can first pick him.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

Also, that rant is not personally aimed at you

Sorin Alucard1 votes

if one person offers no dialogue or communicative reason as to why they were intentionally banning a pick, you'd never know if it was accident or not. It's flawed to think that discerning between individuals' reasons could be done fairly and accurately with Riot's current capabilities

I do believe my suggestion offers more overall options with reduced trolling. If you put your pick intent, your allies can't ban it. As long as you leave it selected, they can't ban it. If an enemy bans it (a risk every game) you choose someone else If you don't announce pick intent and your ally bans your pick, then its on you Trades can still occur. Use your chat. You can still scroll through your list of champs to show allies possible trades.

At most trolling would be reduced to outright trolls (nothing new) Or someone might use the opportunity of you cast scrolling for trade to ban your main pick,

How are you helping by banning your "troll suspect" Are you preventing a troll from picking a more troll pick? If they want to troll they could pick ANYONE and accomplish the job. If you banned that Teemo adc on your team he might just laugh and be Sejuani adc instead He might also have been a super legit Teemo adc, but you've now harmed morale/trust at the least

I just can't see weighing the chance of 1 OP pick (even if it is last) being so significant as to justify making decisions unilaterally for your ally. Yes, The enemy can still ban/pick the champ before your ally, but that's a fair risk considering how many champions will still be available after bans and picks are done. That goes for you and your ally.

My defense for Off-meta players stands still too. They deserve a shot at playing without being witch hunted by teammates

Where is the potential abuse to this? How is this removing any benefits the champ select system is supposed to inherently offer?

Ty for your thoughts so far by the way. I'm enjoying the discussion

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