Seriously, how many games do you have to ruin before you're actually punished?

vOmvbrawfU··143 votes·10,136 views

Edit: I'm literally bumping my support ticket every time this person plays a game and AFKs in it. Have already done it about 4 times.

Edit2: A month later and they're still going afk in games lmfao. What a great company this is!

Played with some fella a little bit ago. He ran into the enemy jg and died, so he said "I'm done" and went and sat afk in bushes the rest of the match. So I report said player. I also report said player via support ticket so that I had his name and could check back in with him. What a surprise, he is STILL playing ranked games and STILL trolling in them.

My question is how many games does it take trolling to get punished? Because people say they magically punish trolls "eventually". But I'm failing to see it. This is bullshit. People like this are literally the reason this game is toxic. It's so obvious to see. This guy gets in a game and trolls it, and someone most likely "flames" him for it. I know someone did in our game. This troll then reports the player and the player that "flamed" gets punished. This player then goes into his next game and does the same exact fucking thing. Gets someone else punished. Goes into his next game, gets someone else punished. So it looks like there are a lot of "toxic" players when in reality it is literally 1 cancerous player spreading the toxicity. But, here's the kicker, the fucking cancer isn't the one to get punished! Nope, instead they just want to ban all the "flamers". And then the community fucking defends it. "Oh they just had a bad game" and "being bad isn't punishable".

There is a clear difference between having a bad game and trolling to anyone with an IQ above 50. But people just want to social justice warrior it and grab their pitch forks for all the "flamers" while ignoring the actual fucking problem. I've literally had more games with these types of players than I have had without them. I can go through my games and point out these people. And no, not players that had bad games. Not players that "lost lane". I'm not talking about players that pick an off-meta pick like Twitch jg. Because even though Twitch jg is literally useless when we already selected a squishy top and support, and even though he didn't play, he still fucking tried. No, I'm not talking about those players. I'm talking about the trolls. Players that legitimately say they just picked GP support because they got autofilled, and literally leave bot lane at 3 mins to go "roam" top. That's just fucking sad. But then I get a fucking 27 minute dodge penalty for leaving a queue that has a player that outright says, "I'm tilted so I'm trolling" and locks in fucking raka jg. And this community defends him. "Well hurr Raka jg is just off meta durr." The community bitches about "toxicity" but then they will literally defend the causes of it. Until you actually choose to address the causes of toxicity, you won't fix it. Lyte's bullshit over the past 4 years should have made that fairly obvious. It didn't work. It's not working. It's not going to work. There's always going to be the normally neutral players that just get a straw that breaks the camels back and causes them to "flame". But instead of banning the one person causing many neutral players to go toxic, the community will attack the "flamer".

Listen, I'm not excusing people flaming. Those 12 year olds that start raging at first blood and shit need to be banned. Obviously. But, in my experience, those players are exceptionally rare. The vast majority of "toxicity" I see is from someone that is pissed that their time is being wasted by some troll. And, to an extent, that is also inexcuseable. Not arguing that it shouldn't be. But, what I'm saying is that even though it's inexcusable, it's going to happen as long as you don't address the cause of the problem. Yes, I'm salty as fuck because I'm tired of losing games for the sole reason that I got unlucky and got these fucks on my team.

http://i.imgur.com/WxbXESV.png?1

Here is one of the MANY people I've reported that do this shit. I have yet to see 1 person I've reported punished for it. But he will "eventually get punished because they need enough evidence" (as if one game isn't enough evidence?). So the question:

Tl;dr: how many games do you have to troll before you should be punished?

141 Comments

vOmvbrawfU34 votes

Exactly what I'm talking about. I once reported some guy. He literally had an average score of 0-42-1 over the course of 250+ straight games. Like what the actual fuck? How stupid do you have to be to not realize bullshit like this is the cause of toxicity.

IM A ID A IR A11 votes

The first 3 pictures was a guy running down mid without doing anything else. Someone posted this on the EU boards and asked why this guy doesn't get banned.

One answer we got from a volunteer* was: MAYBE because of the playstyle.

Feederbuster OP.

Edit:*

ModWuks9 votes

Well, we do things a bit differently here in the NA Volunteer Programs. Can you send more information to [email protected]? While we hope that the intentional feeder detection system works most of the time, there are definitely times where that just isn't the case. If the player hasn't been dealt with already, I can pass it on for investigation.

IM A ID A IR A5 votes

The case is a bit weird. The 3 pictures i mentioned are each one different account played by a bot which got banned after these games (manually as far as i know). However, there is a guy on EUNE who duo queued with this accounts (4 accounts until now) so he stays in Bronze.

After he reached B5 he started playing solo with his main champ so he get a good KDA and lolskill-score.

The 4 accounts played by bots got all banned, but the main account who was premade with the bots didn't. I don't know if Riot checked the guy or not, but if you still want it i can send you his name.

Here is the thread i made about this on the NA board a while ago: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ggFhEk8d-player-ruining-60-ranked-games-by-queuing-up-with-a-bot

IM A ID A IR A1 votes

Holy sh#t, that's what i would call i FEW games.

100 games on one account, probably because of his "playstyle" :D

Cresmont3 votes

now, the question is, was it with a 5 man group of meme loving banterous friends or him being a shit head

vOmvbrawfU18 votes

I think the "ranked SOLO" answers that question.

Anatera3 votes

I know I should be paying attention to how many losses the guy has, but I can't help looking at his victories and thinking, "How the hell did his team manage that?"

Kudrov1 votes

this inspire me :) meanwhile rito still target bad mouthing probelmes lul

General Esdeath 14 votes

Does he say anything toxic in chat?

If not, a few months :^)

drakuIa4217 votes

yeah, a few months untill everyone forgets about that case.

BIackfox13 votes

Because riot thinks toxic people are a hazard to society so they take priority to that instead of feeders

vOmvbrawfU5 votes

They have an automated system to prioritize "toxic" people. But, the point is, trolls cause the game to be toxic.

LoliBlanc2 votes

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IM A ID A IR A2 votes

just a question for the statistics: How many times (estimate) did you run down mid and did you ever get banned for it?

LoliBlanc4 votes

Thats an interesting question, once I just run down every game, to find out exactly this. I got bored after the fifth, nothing ever happend.

IM A ID A IR A5 votes

gg Rito

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

Meanwhile, I int in one game where my team had a Kat ADC who banned my pick and then flamed the team like napalm dropped on each one of our houses, and get a 14-day ban, without warning, without exception, without analysis of what actually happened.

Not saying I don't deserve it, but, I mean, something's very wrong when someone can keep playing after ten games in a row, going 0/12, and yet I, for one single bad game where I got tilted and fed, get a 14-day ban.

P.S: I never plan to feed again. That Kat is still ADCing and burning people to a crisp in /all in plenty of other games, enjoying her 2/17/4 KDA w/ her DMP+Titanic build.

vOmvbrawfU2 votes

I would guess you argued with people in chat. Most likely banned for that and not feeding.

Inari Fox Orrion2 votes

I'm actually willing to supply chat logs, if I have some way to get them, to prove you wrong.

ALL game long I was apologizing to everyone but for Katarina for getting caught up in all of this. I'm pretty sure I never once even asked a rhetorical question to even start an argument.

...or are you trying to get back at me for having a different opinion? A genuine ask.

vOmvbrawfU2 votes

No, was making a legitimate point. You can have a different opinion all you'd like. My point is that typically when I see people banned for feeding, they also argued with people. Or they say in chat that they're intentionally feeding. Riot's chat policy is extremely strict, so you might have said things that triggered them that you don't think were toxic at all lol. You say you were apologizing. Was it something along the lines of "sorry for feeding guys, but kat is trolling me"?

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

If I was banned for "I'm sorry, Wu, Syn, everyone, but Kat can't expect to get away with banning someones' pick and then acting all smart about it." then I'm amazed the Kat hasn't been banned for the preceding or ensuing "Kys" and "Fuk u" comments.

Plus, I didn't even argue with Wu or, well, anyone else when they said I was ruining their game - not even Kat. I openly admitted and accepted it; I didn't even try to justify it, and even wrote it off as a personal agenda.

vOmvbrawfU2 votes

Yup, there's where ya went wrong. You admitted it in chat lol. If you didn't, you would not have been punished.

And do you have Kat's OP.gg saved so you can check if she got banned or not? Because rito is pretty quick to ban for "kys" if it's reported.

vOmvbrawfU10 votes

So what you're saying is that you're not intelligent enough to mute? And that you throw a little tempter tantrum whenever some big bad meany tells you to build sightstone as support. Got it.

LoliBlanc4 votes

I know where the mute button is, and its not even, that I'm offended or something. I just find it funny, that someone flames me, because he thinks that will help winning the game, so I just do the right opposite. No, I always buy the Sightsone as support. It's more things like, engaging and dying at the botlane, when I'm on the way from the river after I pinged I'm on the way, and then blaming and insulting me.

vOmvbrawfU6 votes

If you start running down mid lane the second someone tells you to ward, you're definitely offended lmfao.

Inari Fox Orrion3 votes

You didn't even read what he wrote, did you.

There's a pretty major difference between "Flaming for not warding" and "Flaming because I died when my support made it very clear he was going far far away to ward the river."

vOmvbrawfU5 votes

Yes, I did. But are you going to take someone's word for it that says they aren't offended, yet run down mid lane to feed? Sounds like something a pretty offended player does. So he can she he isn't mad all he wants, but if the shoe fits.

Inari Fox Orrion3 votes

"Guilty until proven innocent" is the mindset you're looking to put into words; Your own mindset.

The literal only reason you think that he ran down mid to feed because he was flamed for not warding, is because he said the word "ward" and... and... well, that's about it.

I could name three different reasons off the top of my head why I'd run down mid in his shoes, as a support; A: Awful ADC who BMs the ENTIRE team for dying 2v1 to Thresh/Jhin B: Awful ADC who BMs the support for having cooldowns or otherwise just isn't that bright as a whole. C: No ADC at all.

Plus, whose to say you run down mid because you're offended, and not out of patience? You act like you know how people work when you really don't; You box everyone into one single set of archetype without regard to the fact that everyone will think and act different.

...or at least it seems that way. My reasons for feeding would be: irreverence, impatience, curiosity, revenge. Plus, in the end, their word is as valid as your lack of respect for it - you're not entitled to be treated differently because you're the OP, after all.

vOmvbrawfU4 votes

I didn't say that was the only reason. I used it as an example. Because obviously he is a snowflake, so people telling him to ward obviously offends him enough to run down mid lane. He said it himself.

Inari Fox Orrion3 votes

...you do realize he said, and I quote... "I know where the mute button is, and its not even, that I'm offended or something. I just find it funny, that someone flames me, because he thinks that will help winning the game" and not "I know where the mute button is, and I don't use it because I'm offended someone told me to ward" right?

I find it fairly funny you're accusing him of being a "special snowflake" when you're trying to act like you A: know what you're talking about and B: have any right to lay retribution down for a non-crime and non-offense to you.

vOmvbrawfU3 votes

And I can literally show you 10,000 post where people got banned for toxicity that say, "I wasn't even toxic." That literally means nothing.

What I'm saying is that if you start running down the mid lane and feeding because someone "flamed" you, you ARE offended. That is the definition of being offended. And if are the type of person that runs down mid because someone "flamed" you, then you are the type of person that thinks people telling you to ward is flaming. What are you not understanding about this?

Inari Fox Orrion4 votes

"You're a babbling monkey." Now how does that make you feel? Offended, probably, hopefully.

""You calling me a monkey won't make this conversation go anywhere."" That last one was what he was saying, what he meant, what he was doing, and what I am saying.

Being "offended" is taking personal indictment of something, and feeling attacked or otherwise about it.

You don't need to be offended to feed; You can do it to just prove a point or keep your word.

Plus, you aren't him, and if you're incapable of the above, me and him both are not, and so you can't deny it doesn't exist - you can only deny you can't personally do or feel it. We are humans, after all.

Mecha MaIphite10 votes

So you basically also troll the three other people in your game, who did absolutely nothing to you.

Good job, that puts you on the same level as the flamer.

vOmvbrawfU3 votes

Worse level. Since he is such a special snowflake that he gets so easily offended and then trolls.

BIackfox1 votes

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vOmvbrawfU3 votes

Which literally has nothing to do with the comment in which I replied to. Think bud.

TheMinez1 votes

Huh, I've never seen someone be "Triggert" enough to do that. I also never knew the "instant loose" advice. I will try being toxic when I am in a cramped space.

But on a serious note, people who do that IN GENERAL are a plague to this game and should grow skin at the very least thicker than translucent paper.

Think about this before you decide to take the next game hostage. Are you better as a catalyst for your teammates' hate than the one who made the spark? Is the sum of your MMR drop for you and your allies worth it to get back at one person? Is the time you yourself and 3 other allies waste an acceptable price for what you are doing to one person?

Remember,"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

Inari Fox Orrion2 votes
  • Friedrich Nietzsche

Also, arguably, either side is wrong. As a race, we need vengeance and righteous indignation to keep balance and prevent people from abusing one-another, but at the same time taking it to either extreme of passivity or vengeance will lead to something like this; An endless cycle of cat-bites-dog-bites-cat.

Me, I'd rather actual trolls and feeders get punished as they are, and not based on an automated system that decides someone playing AD Veigar Support and going 1/12, game after game of loss after loss, is alright while a first-and-last-time feeder gets banned for 14 days on the spot while the other feeder with a tank Kat build is left alone like he's just bad, when even in chat he says he's trolling.

Swollwonder2 votes

Yeah I've never really understood this personally. I would much rather have a guy flaming than feeding yet only flamers are the one I see getting banned.

I can fix a flamer. It's called the mute button. I can't stop a feeder.

Solitair3 votes

Here's a newsflash for you: You're not entitled to pervasively verbally abuse people without repercussion just because you did it online.

And while some whimpering shit-lord may not be a threat to society unless he gets a gun and a school to shoot up, research Riot has conducted indicates that toxicity has all-around negative consequences regarding people's likelihood to play the game, enjoyment of the game, and performance in the game.

Just for the added joy, I silently report douchelords who say "ez" after game. Why? I'm toxic AF. And I've always been a real shit-slinging ass master in real life as well. But even I have the restraint to realize that people are trying to enjoy themselves, and that they make mistakes. So I say what I want to say in my head or to myself, but not to people who are innocently playing a game. I don't know who is behind that screen. A former marine with actual triggers? A grandmother? A 13 year old girl with luekemia? So this is how I take out my sadism: by knowing that every little edgelord who couldn't be decent enough to refrain from saying two little letters is eventually getting spanked for it. In fact, I just got a notification this morning that someone I reported for "ez" was punished-- for simply typing 2 little letters. Great feeling it is.

BIackfox1 votes

{quoted}

Here's a newsflash for you: You're not entitled to pervasively verbally abuse people without repercussion just because you did it online.

And while some whimpering shit-lord may not be a threat to society unless he gets a gun and a school to shoot up, research Riot has conducted indicates that toxicity has all-around negative consequences regarding people's likelihood to play the game, enjoyment of the game, and performance in the game.

Just for the added joy, I silently report douchelords who say "ez" after game. Why? I'm toxic AF. And I've always been a real shit-slinging ass master in real life as well. But even I have the restraint to realize that people are trying to enjoy themselves, and that they make mistakes. So I say what I want to say in my head or to myself, but not to people who are innocently playing a game. I don't know who is behind that screen. A former marine with actual triggers? A grandmother? A 13 year old girl with luekemia? So this is how I take out my sadism: by knowing that every little edgelord who couldn't be decent enough to refrain from saying two little letters is eventually getting spanked for it. In fact, I just got a notification this morning that someone I reported for "ez" was punished-- for simply typing 2 little letters. Great feeling it is.

Marine that actual triggers?

Holy shit, you sound like some conspiracy nut job

Asdadarf1 votes

Conspiracy?? You know triggers are actually legit for some people - not tumblrinas. If that's the only part of his post you noticed you may just be challenged - hope that doesn't trigger your conspiracies

BIackfox1 votes

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Conspiracy?? You know triggers are actually legit for some people - not tumblrinas. If that's the only part of his post you noticed you may just be challenged - hope that doesn't trigger your conspiracies

No I skimmed through some of your bullshit post but I laughed at you thinking that me saying fuck you would make someone go ballistic irl and start killing people.

Asdadarf1 votes

lol?? That wasn't even my post, goes to show how good you are at reading. Wouldn't kill you to attend your 9th grade English class now and again boy.

KGB watching U8 votes

in league of legends troll and feeder are never punished, but if you try to offend them you could say bye to your account, lol is the most troll-friendly game i've ever seen

rtbf2256182413 votes

"Only 1% of the League playerbase is deemed toxic by the Community."

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