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Perma-Banning should be changed to Perma-Muting

Swinky··1 votes·606 views

Hello as being a perma banned player after a year i see people might say hey you are just salty but hear me out. See as a business you would want to generate income correct? Well permanently banning accounts that have a lot of time and money in them is not a good idea. I had a long discussion with many people and business masters in my university and we came to an agreement to keep Riot earning the most money from common players it would be best to permanently mute players to a certain degree, Maybe them take courses and tests to earn the right to speak in chat again. Because of all the money and time i put into that account and so if i ever create another account again i wont spend any money or as much time. Because i will always have that fear if oh what if i get a bad game or get report spammed by a group who doesnt' like the way i play. But if i was just perma muted i would not need to worry since league is making pings more flexable and you can play a game just by pinging now it would work a lot better. And with all the time i spent on that account id still be buying skins because it would be worth it in my mind for with the account i had.

Let me know what all you guys think about this. :)

13 Comments

ModThe Djinn5 votes

Riot actually INTENTIONALLY sacrifices this potential income in the interest of building a better community.

They've tested unending chat restrictions and mutes in the past. They were not happy with the results. The current system is a conscious choice in their part, and one that definitely weighs the potential revenue loss from toxic players, and the potential revenue gain from a less toxic community. I assure you Riot has definitely thought of that. :)

ModPrandine4 votes

Short Answer: They tried that and it didn't work. Long Answer: Back before the IFS was implemented it was possible to players to get ever increasing chat restrictions. Some would get so many that it was effectively a perma-mute. The big main problem was that allot of these players would just switch to other more difficult to detect/prove forms of griefing (i.e. intentionally feeding, gameplay trolling, etc.), and it was because of this that Riot scrapped that system and implemented the IFS instead.

This question/suggestion comes up allot and the answer is always the same: Riot won't do it because they tried it before and it didn't work.

Swinky1 votes

see i hate people like that. i was toxic yeah but not once did i int or grief or troll i always played ranked seriously and when people did feed i thought riot would accept being mad at trolls and such... but that wasn't the case they ban more toxic players (chatwise) rather than feeders and trolls. which i think is a major flaw in the way they work. but everyone has an opinion on the matter. Like i would offer riot to perma mute my account or anything just to get it back or make year long bans a thing maybe? perma bans should be used in serious matters (scripting racism trolling ect.)

ModPrandine2 votes

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see i hate people like that. i was toxic yeah but not once did i int or grief or troll i always played ranked seriously and when people did feed i thought riot would accept being mad at trolls and such... but that wasn't the case they ban more toxic players (chatwise) rather than feeders and trolls. which i think is a major flaw in the way they work. but everyone has an opinion on the matter. Like i would offer riot to perma mute my account or anything just to get it back or make year long bans a thing maybe? perma bans should be used in serious matters (scripting racism trolling ect.)

It's not that Riot doesn't ban trolls and int. feeders; they do, but compared to chat related offenses trolling and int. feeding is harder to detect and prove. When they are detected though the first punishment is a 14-day ban followed by a permaban if they're still acting up after their temp ban is over. Also, you're allowed to be upset at problem players, but Riot (and the community as a whole for that matter) doesn't want you taking it out in the chat.

Think about it: the more time you spend thinking of insults and such to type at a problem player the less time you spend playing the game itself. Not only that but yelling and raging at them will rarely get them to stop behaving poorly. with often the opposite happening instead. The best response in those situations is to mute, report and move on, and if you must rage then do it at the screen instead of in the chat.

As for permabans they are reserved for those who refuse to act in a mature and respectful manner when around others despite receiving warnings telling them to stop, which includes people who use the chat system to bully and harass others.

EvilDustMan3 votes

Riot doesn't want money from people who get permabanned. They want them to go away.

Swinky

Well you don't really know how a business works my friend :) but i see where you are coming from back in the day i was a salty sailor and after about a year i decided hey why not play again and it's been fun. But a business is still a business they want income from consumers. And if people are perma muted money still is generated and no toxicity would be apparent. Now for inting and feeding, and sure scripting i completely agree for perma bans for that sort of behavior.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Well you don't really know how a business works my friend :) but i see where you are coming from back in the day i was a salty sailor and after about a year i decided hey why not play again and it's been fun. But a business is still a business they want income from consumers. And if people are perma muted money still is generated and no toxicity would be apparent. Now for inting and feeding, and sure scripting i completely agree for perma bans for that sort of behavior.

As per my earlier comment, this is actually a sacrifice Riot knowingly and intentionally makes. They're willing to sacrifice some revenue in the interest of a batter experience for non-toxic players, as they were not happy with the results of their tests involving extended chat restrictions and mutes.

GankedByWindows1 votes

Or they're looking at it from an angle you don't see. By banning those especially toxic players, they're making a better environment for everyone else, which might make them more willing to spend more money.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

They would lose more money from toxic players ruining games (and discouraging people from playing) than they would from banning the toxic players.

archerno12 votes

No.

Shikigami1 votes

Communication is a key part of the game. Something like "ward this brush" and "buy some armor" dramatically change the pace of the game. This is why riot decided to chat restrict individuals and not mute them entirely. Even with the new ping system, there are some things needed to be said in chat.

I think the biggest and most important factor is that if you're a "toxic" individual, you run the real psychological risk of losing your entire investment into the game. That's the motivation for people to control what they say. Previously, individuals would rack up thousands of games of chat restriction and still be just as degrading to the game before the restriction. Mutes aren't a solution.

FlyingRoboticCow1 votes

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Because i will always have that fear if oh what if i get a bad game or get report spammed by a group who doesnt' like the way i play.

First things first take responsibility for your actions you don't earn a perma ban from a group choosing to all report you or a couple of bad games you EARN perma bans by choosing to behave in a certain way that both riot and the community have deemed as toxic and unacceptable. Second just because someone is muted doesn't stop them from switching to other forms of toxicity such as simply running it down mid.

Kei1431 votes

From Riot's past experiences, if they don't reform after 3 opportunities, they chances of them reforming is so low and the damage they deal to them community is much higher. Thus they permaban and it is their way of saying that they actually want you out of the game, and not want your money.

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