I'm a relatively new player, and I'm still unsure of what the deal is with tribunals. Upstanding citizen that I am, I've never been on the receiving end of them, but I'd love to participate in the process of making our community better. Are players just selected randomly to review cases? Is there a vetting or application process?
Martensitic12 votes#The Tribunal...
...is the old-fashioned name for League of Legends punishment system. It is actually an outdated term, because the current system has little to do with the old tribunal system. The modern term would be "Automated punishment system" or simply "Punishment system". Since that is quite a mouthful, and for "historic" reasons, many players still call it "The Tribunal", myself included.
(Also, you gotta admit, its a catchy term ^^)
The old system included player-participation in terms of actually voting on each and every case, where a majority out-of-5 vote decided wheter or not a player was guilty or not. Every player who ddn't receive a punishment himself, and was above lvl 20, was eligible to participate.
Here is pictures of the (web-broser based) interface of 'ye olde days: (And yes dear forum experts, I took the time to mask all the names.)
https://s11.postimg.org/jf426svtv/Tribunal_Safe_Pic.jpg
This one shows what the chatlog looked like. Purple is the guy the case is about, green is his team, red the other team:
http://i.imgur.com/KV08uyO.jpg
The "judges" were presented with "cases", each of wich consisted of 3-5 games. The cases were automatically generated by the system, based on reports...basically, a lot of reports = a case was generated and put into the queue, and random judges were assigned to it from the pool of participating players.
Within a case, the "judges" could access the players build, the entire chatlog, as well as read the report reasons, and comments. They then could vote "Punish" or "Pardon", or refuse to vote on the case at all.
You could do a maximum of 20 cases per week.
Hope that clears things up a bit :-)
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Flyinguillotine1 votesWow thanks for the thorough answer. Too bad people can't participate anymore. Back then I was playing dota and it seemed like a really cool idea.
Kei1431 votesTribunal 2.0 (which interacts with the honor system as well) is on its way, probably after the new client is up and running smoothly.
TrulyBland4 votesWould you happen to have a source on that? I'm not trying to imply anything, I'm just genuinely interested, since I haven't seen anything semi-official on this since a long time.
Kei1431 votesnot actually anything "official" per say, Ghost Crawler and Wookie has said before that Tribunal 2.0 will be linked with honors.
Ghost crawler has also said that features that improve the visibility of the behavioral system is one of the highest priorities in regards to new behavioral features.
Ghost crawler also said in multiple different FAQs (reedit, this boards, twitch stream) that their behavioral team is working hard on new features, but just because they aren't talking too much about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Finally, I asked another Rioter (name starting with Y, can't remember the exact spelling) "Am I allowed to tell people that new features will come by after the new client is done?" and he answered "yes, that is a safe bet."
This was when he was answering questions in regards to behavioral ping spamming and how the ping muting feature can be a tool that isn't as desirable.
Basically you add 1+1+1 and you can come to the conclusion of whats coming soon. Though it may not be the Tribunal 2.0 coming first, but the Tribunal did a pretty good job in adding visibility to the system.
That said, do you really need me to dig the source up? It'll be hell for me to find them as it was a while ago (3 - 6 months ago).
TrulyBland1 votesOkay, it's good enough to know that Ghost Crawler and Wookie mentioned something of the sorts, even if it's been a while... The only person I ever saw talking about it was Lyte, so I was a bit worried he was the only one actively pushing the project before he left.
Martensitic1 votesnot actually anything "official" per say
Translation: Nothing at all.
And as to Ghostcrawler "saying something vague", well, lets just say, I played WoW long enough...
Martensitic1 votesThere is not a single credible source backing that statement.
Shaco my BFF1 votesAAAAND now there's a system that just detects certain strings and screws people over, while occasionally letting racists etc scum get away for long time.
TrulyBland2 votesthat just detects certain strings
Explicitely denied by Riot on several occasions.
screws people over
citation needed
while occasionally letting racists etc scum get away for long time
Which is obviously worse than Tribunal which consistently let racist etc scum get away for a long time because it had a humongous backlog (and occasionally reached very questionable verdicts on people screaming the N-word over and over again).
The only thing that was better with the old Tribunal was how people felt about it, because people felt that more was being done, and that they could make more of a difference. Don't get me wrong, that's an important part of the system that Riot needs to improve desperately... but in terms of actual effectivity and even accuracy, the old Tribunal was objectively worse.
Shaco my BFF1 votesRiot can deny all they want, but everyone with logical thinking figures it out that a system that monitors chat logs just looks for certain words or strings in coding language.
As for screwing people over, I'm talking about cases, where someone is trolling the crap out of someone and they say something like "WTF ARE YOU DOING?", "are you stupid?", etc. These people get screwed over, they weren't toxic, but Riot only wants little girly behavior in this game.
As for Tribunal system, players judged cases (as did I) and cases where someone called someone else an idiot or a noob, were not punished because there's no need, but now they get also punished. Also I've seen same guy about 5x and each time he was telling others to die, that he screwed their entire family and pets, that they should suicide and uninstall League. Yet after reporting them, I saw them few days later again, no chat restriction, still at it with such behavior.
Of course there were unfair cases, where someone who said nothing bad was punished or where someone toxic was pardoned. But those cases were fixed by Riot Support pretty quick.
TrulyBland1 votesEveryone with logical thinking understands that this is a blackbox that cannot actually be understood with the very very limited data that we have, and also understands that checking for certain words or strings will not detect feeding, ping spamming and passive aggressive sarcasm like it does.
We seem to have a very different idea of people being screwed over. The majority of the community agrees that these people should also be punished, in part because a lot of these "trolls" are legitimately bad players that are being harassed, and in part because they only give the troll an audience thereby encouraging them and generally adding to the toxicity of the match.
The Tribunal system punished people for saying "idiot" and "noob". Just not consistently, because it generally erred on the side of pardons and was more lenient than Riot intended it to be. Then again, to repeat the point that I already made: Tribunal didn't punish a lot of people anyway. It sometimes took months for Tribunal to process a case. It had such a huge backlog that even when it did punish somebody, they would most likely not even remember the game they were punished for, eliminating any kind of learning effect. That's why your anecdotal evidence of seeing the same guy 5x is moot, as this guy would be going on for months before seeing any kind of punishment under the old system.
And unfair cases of innocents being punished are just as low now as they have been then, and are fixed just as fast, so that's not really an advantage of Tribunal. After all that kind of stuff is done manually by Riot Staff, so that part of the system didn't even change significantly.
bad arcade kitty1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shaco my BFF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ukN7M6fo,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-12-04T21:59:54.461+0000)
AAAAND now there's a system that just detects certain strings and screws people over, while occasionally letting racists etc scum get away for long time.
pretty much what we had before... they should lessen the punishments by a lot
Junkο5 votesTribunal doesn't exist. Riot removed it about 4 years ago and replaced it with an automated system, and decided to still refer to every punishment as judged by Tribunal because god knows why.
Great Muta3 votesIt's gone, was supposed to be back but seems like it won't be.
ima firin3 votesriot has had the tribunal "under maintenance" for 4 years but wont admit that they aren't bringing it back
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesOh man, I miss the Tribunal. Could sit down with a big ole' bowl of popcorn, and munch away as you read through the juicy tidbits. And you got to see both sides of the story! So you really knew how things were getting started.
A lot of times here, someone will come in and post a sad story about how they were unfairly banned, and post logs and say that they didn't do anything wrong.... and then a Red will come in and call them on the giant pile of shenanigans they were building. It seems like with the old Tribunal, it was more unbiased for us as reviewers. I also loved how you got a score, based on how "accurate" you were. That is to say, how often your vote coincided with what was ultimately decided for the particular case. So you really got to see how others in the Tribunal community were feeling as a whole, and what trends were considered "acceptable" versus "unacceptable" by the players, within the framework of the rules. It gave a human element to the review process, where people were deciding if something was just harmless banter, or if it was harassing trashtalk.
Unfortunately, there simply were not nearly enough people on the Tribunal to keep up with the amount of cases that needed to be reviewed (since we could only review a small number at a time. =( ) The IFS is much more efficient, but at the price of losing that human element. I just keep my fingers crossed that they will bring back some form of the Tribunal. I've got my popcorn ready!
bad arcade kitty1 votesno, tribunal was just an open vote, anybody past certain summoner level could log in and vote for iirc 10 cases per day, initially you got a bit of ip for that, then lol nothing, but the best part was to read the full logs and report messages, sometimes you could find hilarious stuff there
not only it violated people's privacy (they even showed you their names originally), but it also was just a kangaroo court, 95% or so cases were voted to be punished
eventually rito ditched tribunal and simply began to automatically punish every case which back then would be marked as tribunal worthy, it works pretty much like tribunal but without any hassle
p.s. your desire to "better" community is actually a desire to feel yourself emporvered and deciding the punishments of other people
Flyinguillotine1 votesYour analysis of my motivations is only partially wrong. Yes, it isn't completely selfless. But I don't want to do it as some sort of power play. I would just feel better about people flaming and being toxic in my own games if I could help punish people for being verbally abusive and intentionally feeding in other people's games.
Morality Coach1 votesThe Tribunal was this thing where you clicked punish and got IP.
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The Tribunal was this thing where you clicked punish and got IP.
That was back in the early days of the Tribunal. They got rid of the IP rewards when I started doing Tribunal around late S2/early S3.
