Progression of Punishment and the Tribunal

Neps BFF Compa·Sep 5, 2019·2 votes·1,877 views

Okay. So I've noticed something recently that may be a concern. I've been punished on my "main account" way too often, most of the time, for telling my teammates to essentially "shut up and play the game". The Tribunal honestly sends out way too many punishments for this specific thing. Yes, I sometimes get to be a little more toxic, but nowhere near the levels of these other players, yet I get the severe punishment and they get the slap on the wrist. This needs to be fixed. Instead of giving the person who said "shut up and play" a punishment, give them a message that says "Hey, thanks for trying to better the community, but try to stray from being toxic as well, k? K good, thanks." as a way to reward them and warn them at the same time.

Now, here's the other thing I've noticed. The punishment progression for toxic behaviour is crazy. First, you start off with a 10-game chat restriction. For those who don't know, a chat restriction completely blocks you from talking to the enemy team in all chat, and limits the number of messages you can send in game to your team to a maximum of three at the beginning of the game, and one extra every four minutes. Back on track, this 10-game chat restriction is supposed to act like your "slap on the wrist", and if you screw up again, you get hit harder and acquire a 25-game chat restriction. Now you'd think, "okay, so... does the punishment become a 50-game chat restriction or 1-day ban after that?" right? Well... no. It doesn't. The punishment jumps from a 25-game chat restriction all the way to a 2-week ban from the game. Um... excuse me, what? Where are all the other "less severe" punishments in between? What happened to the 1/2-day bans? Or the week long ban?

So here's my solution to this problem as well. Before all you Rioters get pissed at me, hear me out. In game, I've seen players have chat restrictions, yet they're still super toxic in their limited messages anyway. So i suggest that we remove chat-restrictions entirely, seeing as they do absolutely nothing to change the behaviour for the vast majority of toxic players. Instead, the "least severe" punishment starts off at a 1-day ban.

This 1-day ban will be the new "slap on the wrist" and it'll come with a message that says "Hey insert summoner name here, we get that people are dumb sometimes, but try not to let that affect your game play and attitude, alright? This is just to give you a breather and calm you down, even though we know that bans can be rough. Just try not to do this again, k? Thanks, love ya <3" and if they are at a checkpoint in honour, it lowers their honour by one checkpoint rather than a full level (cause decreasing it by a full level is a little much right away).

After this, you get a 2-day ban, which also lowers by one checkpoint and leaves a message that says, "Hey, we're trying to help you here. Try not to let this get out of hand, k? Thanks, love ya <3". And yes, put the "Thanks, love ya <3" at the end of every message for the laugh so people don't feel too bad about the ban.

If they screw up again, they get a week long ban and lose a full level of honour. This time the message reads, "K. We warned you. You keep messing up and we're trying to make sure you don't anymore. Try to learn from this and not be toxic anymore, k? Thanks, love ya <3"

The last three punishments progress to 2-week ban, 1-month ban, then perma. Come up with the last 3 message yourselves, and of course, add "Thanks, love ya <3" to the end of them.

I feel that this system will help a lot in terms of bettering player behaviour and turning down the dial on toxicity. Let me know your thoughts.

11 Comments

KuponyaSep 5, 20193 votes

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Neps BFF CompaSep 5, 20192 votes

Actually, the tribunal does still exist. It's just not run by players anymore and is just run by bots that Riot made. While I agree that people, including myself, need to "control their emotions", it doesn't discourage the fact that the punishment progression makes no sense. I'm sure that if this gets implemented, Riot will see a spike in toxicity for the first little while (maybe 2-3 months), but it'll die down once it's all settled and people are used to it. Trust me, people are super easy to read when it comes to emotions based off of a game. While that sounds super pretentious, it's actually very true. Just wait and see. If Riot does this, we'll see a better community, I'm sure of it.

KuponyaSep 5, 20194 votes

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Actually, the tribunal does still exist. It's just not run by players anymore and is just run by bots that Riot made. While I agree that people, including myself, need to "control their emotions", it doesn't discourage the fact that the punishment progression makes no sense. I'm sure that if this gets implemented, Riot will see a spike in toxicity for the first little while (maybe 2-3 months), but it'll die down once it's all settled and people are used to it. Trust me, people are super easy to read when it comes to emotions based off of a game. While that sounds super pretentious, it's actually very true. Just wait and see. If Riot does this, we'll see a better community, I'm sure of it.

You can't go around calling dogs cats. The tribunal is not longer in motion. The current system is not a tribunal based system that uses bots to vote whether your logs are acceptable or not. The chat progression system makes perfect sense. It does not base off time in the sense of calendar dates but rather by your number of game played.

Neps BFF CompaSep 5, 20192 votes

You really don't know a lot about how Riot operates do you? No, the tribunal isn't exactly the same as it was where players review the cases and vote on whether or not you should be punished and are rewarded x amount of RP for doing so, bots do that job now. It's not calling a dog a cat, it's just operated differently now. Even if the tribunal doesn't operate the same, it is still in effect and has a different process to sorting out player related punishments. While I feel it would be a lot smarter to hire a specific team strictly for this, I don't see Riot doing that any time soon. So right now, all we have to do is make suggestions, like mine, to try and help improve the experience.

Chat-restrictions legitimately do nothing. I've seen it. Hell, it used to do nothing for me either back in the day. They are a ridiculously pointless punishment that people will still find a loophole for. So, in removing them, and only issuing bans which don't have a loophole, this fixes the problem. And like I mentioned, the "Thanks, love ya <3" at the end of every ban issued message will provide a laugh and take a little of the sting away, despite it being automated.

KuponyaSep 5, 20194 votes

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You really don't know a lot about how Riot operates do you? No, the tribunal isn't exactly the same as it was where players review the cases and vote on whether or not you should be punished and are rewarded x amount of RP for doing so, bots do that job now. It's not calling a dog a cat, it's just operated differently now. Even if the tribunal doesn't operate the same, it is still in effect and has a different process to sorting out player related punishments. While I feel it would be a lot smarter to hire a specific team strictly for this, I don't see Riot doing that any time soon. So right now, all we have to do is make suggestions, like mine, to try and help improve the experience.

Chat-restrictions legitimately do nothing. I've seen it. Hell, it used to do nothing for me either back in the day. They are a ridiculously pointless punishment that people will still find a loophole for. So, in removing them, and only issuing bans which don't have a loophole, this fixes the problem. And like I mentioned, the "Thanks, love ya <3" at the end of every ban issued message will provide a laugh and take a little of the sting away, despite it being automated.

I'm not sure whether it is your lack of comprehension or your stubborn refusal to realize when you're wrong but when you call a completely different system by the definition of another completely different system, that is calling a dog a cat. You do not even seem to be aware of how the tribunal operated when it was up outside of what most toxic players spew about it when they like you were banned by another system.

What you are suggesting is not helpful in the slightest and basically condescending suggestions. League is not geared for children. Riot is not your parents. A player should be able to recognize and control their behaviour and when they aren't able to recognize what they did wrong, that is what this section of the boards and their chat logs are for.

There are already player behaviour teams that study the data given and make adjustments as they see fit. Clearly you would know this if you had bothered to do your research.

Neps BFF CompaSep 6, 20191 votes

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The tribunal is not longer in motion. The current system is not a tribunal based system that uses bots to vote whether your logs are acceptable or not.

The Tribunal is no longer in motion..... but the current system is a Tribunal based system.... I don't think you realize how contradictory that is. I'll wait.

Onto the topic of "condescending suggestions", yes. I know that. That's why the "Thanks, love ya <3" is funny, and would provide a good laugh for those who get banned. We all know that Riot doesn't actually love its player-base in the slightest, besides.... maybe half of the pros. That's why these will actually work. If you don't understand human psychology, or cyberphsychology, why are you even trying to argue with me here? You clearly don't know what you're talking about and you should seriously do some research of your own. Bye Felicia.

GatekeeperTDSSep 5, 20194 votes

Fine, don't control your emotions.

Control your goddamn actions and stop flaming your teammates. Riot isn't interested in giving incredibly toxic people even more chances to ruin games for the rest of us. Your slaps on the wrists are the two chat restrictions. Learn to follow the rules or you'll be shown the door.

Neps BFF CompaSep 6, 20191 votes

The problem is, I don't flame them like 95% of the time. Like I said, most of the time it's "shut up, stop blaming everyone for your mistakes, and play the game". Tell me how that's flaming exactly? Cause no matter how you look at it, it isn't. But please, enlighten me.

GatekeeperTDSSep 6, 20191 votes