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Is this considered negative enough to be perm banned

oXGreaterNickXo·1/25/2019, 8:13:32 PM·4 votes·3,547 views

My main account recently got perma banned due to getting off a 2 week ban and was placed on a severe "any kind of negativity for an unknown duration will result in a perma ban" state.

After a few hours of chatting with riot support they said the 3 things that were considered being "harsh" was saying someones kda in all chat, asking people to report someone, and having an argument with someone.

I was playing ranked top as garen vs darius. Our jungle was raging at me since champ select about me saying how ezreal is hybrid damage calling me r%%%%%ed and such. Get in game and i was just sitting at t1 top, random spam pings from jg saying how I'm dumb for just sitting at tower. I make a bad trade with darius, more spam pings from jg and jg says how I'm is useless. I ended up dying to darius a few times and then jg wants everyone to report me for feeding and inting. So in return I asked everyone to report jg for harassment and belittling me constantly(reason #1). Game continues on and jg is still asking people to report me, I looked at the score table and seen that jg was doing way worse than me. So I told everyone that kha had a worse kda how could he possibly be feeding then.(reason #2). as far as the "argument" I looked at the chat logs and no where did i see anything that could even be considered a "argument".

I have 2 chat sessions with riot supports, each agreeing that even tho i was not being negative, i could be perceived as being negative. I completely understand the after 2 week ban you have one more chance idea. But I just dont see where in this game i was being toxic or negative? They will no longer let me live chat with them and it has been a day for a ticket request and no response, maybe they are just ignoring me im not sure.

Chat logs for that one game Game 1 Pre-Game oXGreaterNickXo: we queued oXGreaterNickXo: no wrry oXGreaterNickXo: i dont play any ap tops oXGreaterNickXo: y? oXGreaterNickXo: we need ap oXGreaterNickXo: goe ad jg oXGreaterNickXo: sure oXGreaterNickXo: if u can play him oXGreaterNickXo: id rather u paly someone your comfortable witrh oXGreaterNickXo: ez is hybrid oXGreaterNickXo: muted In-Game oXGreaterNickXo: the more you talk oXGreaterNickXo: the mroe i wanna rage at you oXGreaterNickXo: so mute oXGreaterNickXo: or keep talking to a miminal oXGreaterNickXo: your pick oXGreaterNickXo: kk oXGreaterNickXo: ap oXGreaterNickXo: yeah def reported oXGreaterNickXo: keep going oXGreaterNickXo: ok oXGreaterNickXo: you push oXGreaterNickXo: can we geta report on kha be harassment and constant be littling oXGreaterNickXo: kk oXGreaterNickXo: top is lost cause i am useless like kha said oXGreaterNickXo: gotta live up to that oXGreaterNickXo: cant wait till post game stats and ez dmg is more then "5%" oXGreaterNickXo: yep oXGreaterNickXo: free drakes oXGreaterNickXo: kha remember next time oXGreaterNickXo: dont be toxic at champ select oXGreaterNickXo: and maybe people wont live up to your expectations oXGreaterNickXo: lol oXGreaterNickXo: 1v1 after? oXGreaterNickXo: k oXGreaterNickXo: nah oXGreaterNickXo: 20 oXGreaterNickXo: will do boss oXGreaterNickXo: roger oXGreaterNickXo: man oXGreaterNickXo: would suck to start ranked with 2 week oXGreaterNickXo: poor kha oXGreaterNickXo: friends? oXGreaterNickXo: u died more oXGreaterNickXo: feeder oXGreaterNickXo: lol oXGreaterNickXo: hes annoying oXGreaterNickXo: plz report oXGreaterNickXo: kha told me to oXGreaterNickXo: he told me multiple times to feed oXGreaterNickXo: chat logs will prove lol oXGreaterNickXo: look at time stamp 930 oXGreaterNickXo: and come back to me oXGreaterNickXo: he does oXGreaterNickXo: lmfao oXGreaterNickXo: no zed oXGreaterNickXo: u give me gold oXGreaterNickXo: so kha looks like shit? oXGreaterNickXo: YESSSS oXGreaterNickXo: ow oXGreaterNickXo: itsa bait oXGreaterNickXo: no oXGreaterNickXo: man kha is 1/6 and im the inting one oXGreaterNickXo: 1/7* oXGreaterNickXo: ty zed oXGreaterNickXo: kha i rec not queueing up after this incase the 2 week is instant oXGreaterNickXo: trolmaster oXGreaterNickXo: wym oXGreaterNickXo: i just want cs oXGreaterNickXo: he nice oXGreaterNickXo: i wont oXGreaterNickXo: farm oXGreaterNickXo: remember folks oXGreaterNickXo: report kha lol oXGreaterNickXo: i said nothing toxic? oXGreaterNickXo: ez is hybrid ig thats toxic af oXGreaterNickXo: u rite dude my b Post-Game oXGreaterNickXo: kha oXGreaterNickXo: dont queue up oXGreaterNickXo: incase of 2 week oXGreaterNickXo: kha oXGreaterNickXo: 30% of ez dmh oXGreaterNickXo: is ap oXGreaterNickXo: hmm oXGreaterNickXo: not 5% oXGreaterNickXo: hmm oXGreaterNickXo: weird oXGreaterNickXo: dmg charts dont lie

Chat logs #1 hat started: 2019-01-25 01:27 AM UTC

(01:27:59 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: after playing a game with a toxic team mate who continued to question everything i did or said i got perma banned due to being offensive? after reading the chat log i seen nothing that would be considered offensive. no name calling, cursing, only thing i said was not to queue up after because everyone in the game planned on reporting them due to their toxicity. (01:28:36 AM) *** Robby joined the chat *** (01:28:50 AM) Robby: hey there greaternick (01:28:55 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: hey (01:28:58 AM) Robby: give me a moment to look over your account and see whats going on (01:29:45 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: ok (01:36:04 AM) Robby: so unfortunately, i dont think we'll be able to unabn your account after looking over the chatlog in question. i understand you werent necessarily name calling, but you were kind of harsh towards the kha'zix on your team. i understand they weren necessarily being cooperative back, but unfortunately after your 2 week suspension that should have been seen as a final warning for any future negative behavior (01:37:22 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: so because of this one report that i was the victim here im perma banned? (01:39:15 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i've been staying relatively friendly in games, yes a game here or there team mates are irritating but i havnt been telling them in in chat until this khazix. even the stuff that i did say i was keeping in mind that i have to be covered (01:40:16 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: the report states that i was extremely inflammatory and offensive, no where did i say anything that would be extremely offensive i believe?. (01:41:30 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: and i do understand the whole final strike thing but how can one single bad game automaticly perma ban when any other offenses have been backed by some number like 4 out of 20 games you were reported for this (01:42:04 AM) Robby: as stated in your reform card, any signs of negative behavior would result in a permanent suspension (01:43:35 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: could you provide me with the message i sent that was considered mildy harsh? (01:44:58 AM) Robby: so overall throughout the game, i think you were rather harsh to this kha'zix. i understand they may have been frustrating to deal with, but bringing up their KDA, telling everyone they are trolling, and getting into an argument with them isnt something we really would consider positive behavior (01:48:08 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: he told everyone to report me for feeding, when he has a worse kda how is that fair to me? he was trolling me, telling me that i was useless, and that i should just go int into darius, the argument about ezreal dmg? i was just providing additional information and he instantly went off on me in champ select (01:49:27 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: its not like i can just mute him when hes telling /all to report me given my circumstance and i have no clue to defend myself because he would have been muted (01:49:55 AM) Robby: in situations like that, you could absolutely mute them and report them to us directly, there isnt a need to get into an argument with them (01:50:50 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: and then i would be report by everyone for "feeding" like kha zix said to them all (01:51:10 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: and since it was final strike im sure that was have ended the same way (01:51:15 AM) Robby: but you werent feeding, obviously. so you wouldnt be penalized and you wouldnt need to argue with them (01:52:47 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i obviously wasn't being extremely inflammatory and offensive neither but hey final strike (01:53:46 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: im sorry (01:54:13 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: im just irritated that ive been trying to be non toxic and even this little thing messed it up (01:55:11 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i wasnt even the one who started the problem, the team was even on my side agreeing that kha was being a little extreme (01:55:38 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: no one said anything about me having a negative attitude except for kha who also claimed that i was inting and useless (01:56:09 AM) Robby: i understand, but as previously stated, arguing with them, making fun of his KDA, and constantly asking people to report them are all things we would consider negative (01:58:12 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: im sorry that i did not know those things were considered negative enough to cause a dispute (02:01:15 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i did not know that the things i said could be considered negative, with knowing that now i could assure you that i wouldn't being them up in chat (02:02:58 AM) Robby: thank you for understanding where we're coming from. unfortunately, i wont be able to undo this permanent suspension. (02:03:45 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: what if i wasnt on final strike, would this game have been flagged and held against me? (02:05:40 AM) Robby: yes, you would still be held accountable on this chat (02:05:52 AM) Robby: unfortunately, ill need to close out this chat as there isnt much else i can add to this situation (02:06:04 AM) Robby: if you would like, you could open another chat or open a ticket to discuss this issue further (02:06:15 AM) *** Robby left the chat ***

chat log #2(02:08:56 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: different view on negativity shouldnt be so firm on "harsh" words (02:10:28 AM) Player Support Bot: Hey! We’re getting a ton of new chats right now. If you're writing in about not being able to play with a friend(s) when all of you were within 1 tier of each other last year, make sure everyone in the group tries playing one ranked game alone first. Then try queuing up again after. This is a known bug we're trying to solve. Additionally, remember that with the start of this ranked season, everyone is unranked and therefore you will not have a loading screen border until you finish your placements. If you have other questions, it may take upwards of 15 minutes to get to your chat, but if you sit tight we’ll help you out as soon as we can. If you’re not about that waiting in line lifestyle, you can always submit a ticket instead! (02:14:26 AM) *** Cammy White joined the chat *** (02:15:15 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: hey (02:16:13 AM) Cammy White: Whats up (02:16:17 AM) Cammy White: let me get caught up (02:16:23 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: alrite (02:21:30 AM) Cammy White: it looks like Robby went over your penalty pretty thoroughly, was there more questions you had about this penalty though ? (02:22:20 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: yes i dont think it is fair that the final strike period should have lasted 10 days when i play a couple of games a day (02:23:12 AM) Cammy White: well after a 2 week suspension any negativity can result in the perma, and if the negativity shown is close to the 2 week then it can be placed quicker. (02:24:23 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: and there is no period of time after the 2 week where you are allowed 0 negativity? (02:25:35 AM) Cammy White: if it was less than a month like your account then it can be applied quite easily. (02:28:03 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i just dont understand how defending myself from another player telling everyone to report me is considered harsh, not extremely inflammatory or offensive like the in game client says. yes it could be look at in a negative way but that doesnt mean i was playing the game with attempts to offend the player (02:29:26 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: like just because it could be looked at as being negative doesnt mean that was my intentions if that makes sense (02:30:47 AM) Cammy White: I get that maybe you did not mean it that way, but we do things a bit differently in League and we hold players to a higher standard. Even if you are defending yourself we dont want you to bring further negativity into the game (02:33:47 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i've been playing league since darius released. never have i been reported for defending myself against a player that is so quick to lash out at people (02:34:32 AM) Cammy White: regardless of what others are doing in the game you and only you are responsible for your actions in game right? (02:39:01 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: to an extent yes. everyone has their breaking point. mine is when im trying to be helpful and someone throws it back out me plus some and then carries it around all game (02:40:05 AM) Cammy White: I 100% agree with you that this is infuriating, but we expect for players to not bring in more negativity and just mute em and report em. It only takes one report for us to take action on an account. (02:42:27 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i wasnt spreading negativity. no one in the game(besides kha) mentioned anything about me being toxic. as you can probably see from the chat logs kha had it out for me since champ select, should i have just dodged that game then? to avoid the situation all together (02:45:49 AM) Cammy White: If you needed to dodge the game that decision is up to you to make, but I am seeing arguing with others and quite a bit of negativity in the game. We have been chatting for quite a while though and I will have to go soon to help other players. Was there anything else you needed though before I go ? (02:46:53 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i understand that kha could have taken the things i said negatively. I did not know that defending myself i could be at fault still. why am i being punished for something that i did not know? i wouldnt punish a child for doing something that they dont know is bad, note id like to leave off on (02:49:25 AM) Cammy White: well even if you are " defending" your self we do consider this kind of chat to be negative and we want chat to be about communicating with the team and helping form strategies. Not about arguing with your team or bringing more negativity into the game. I do have to go now though but I hope that you have a good rest of your day (02:49:48 AM) oXGreaterNickXo: i wont but thanks ig

EDIT Just want to say thank you to those are are responding to this, more active than Riots support ticket system that they forced me to use to continue further questioning of this subject. Even if you are disagreeing with my perspective thank you

32 Comments

AeroWaffle1/25/2019, 8:52:47 PM2 votes

After a few hours of chatting with riot support they said the 3 things that were considered being "harsh" was saying someones kda in all chat, asking people to report someone, and having an argument with someone.

You were doing both of those (asking people to report and pointing out someone's kda and stats for the sake of belittlement).

I have 2 chat sessions with riot supports, each agreeing that even tho i was not being negative, i could be perceived as being negative.

I would like to see these chats.

Edit: I see that you posted the chats with support. At no point did they say you weren't being negative.

The best that was said was;

I get that maybe you did not mean it that way

That's very different than saying you weren't being negative. The very first response puts it best;

(01:36:04 AM) Robby: so unfortunately, i dont think we'll be able to unabn your account after looking over the chatlog in question. i understand you werent necessarily name calling, but you were kind of harsh towards the kha'zix on your team. i understand they weren necessarily being cooperative back, but unfortunately after your 2 week suspension that should have been seen as a final warning for any future negative behavior

The rest of the responses follow this same sentiment;

(01:44:58 AM) Robby: so overall throughout the game, i think you were rather harsh to this kha'zix. i understand they may have been frustrating to deal with, but bringing up their KDA, telling everyone they are trolling, and getting into an argument with them isnt something we really would consider positive behavior

Even the other support had roughly the same thing to say;

(02:45:49 AM) Cammy White: If you needed to dodge the game that decision is up to you to make, but I am seeing arguing with others and quite a bit of negativity in the game.

PVPmaster LOL1/27/2019, 5:22:23 AM2 votes

Honestly just mute him lol. Maybe not help him in most situations. Most games, KDAs speak for themselves.

ModBianca Colt1/25/2019, 8:50:46 PM1 votes

You were incessantly negative and condescending towards Kha, which was picked up by the IFS and deemed toxic. You got off your 14-day suspension, rendering your account extremely vulnerable to any kind of toxic behaviour coming from your end. That's why the punishment was issued.

AnkryaDoli1/25/2019, 9:58:15 PM1 votes

Nah, I don't see anything wrong with telling someone else to stop or defending yourself. I see the problem with everyone else saying that you should've just been quite and all that and let that person ruin the game. Riot does nothing to them, your team won't report them, and it sucks man. I know how it feels. I wish there was a better system. It's dumb

EvilDustMan1/25/2019, 8:14:22 PM1 votes

You can add chat logs yes.

oXGreaterNickXo1/25/2019, 10:26:56 PM1 votes

Can any one link me some kind of material that clearly describes what can be considered negative?

Telephone Booth1/25/2019, 10:57:06 PM1 votes

Why didnt you mute? You even said "the more you talk, the more i wanna rage at you" ... this should have signaled something in your brain, to find a solution. Yet, your brain came up with telling HIM to mute?? You know you can still talk when you mute people right? The solution would have been for YOU to mute. Lol. Wtf.

Anyways, sucks ya got the perma dude. Thats pretty typical unfortunately. Rito pretty strict on policing the chat.

LordGeovanni1/26/2019, 3:50:25 AM1 votes

Dont call for other people to report anyone. Other than that i dont see a problem with calling out shit when their team is doing shit.

Saezio1/25/2019, 10:11:12 PM1 votes

Mate, you know the rules. And if you don't know the rules you really should have known the rules since you already had 2 more punishments. And at some point you argue that "My negativity was more than 10 days after the 2 week ban was over" Are you seriously going with that defence line? Just don't type if you are tilted easily. It's not hard, if you were smart enough to ignore any negativity in your games you still would have had your account.

PavLoo1/25/2019, 8:50:27 PM1 votes

Hey there, Summoner! Your account was suspended because you used abusive language, and made a negative experience for your team. Your only way of competing on the Fields of Justice is to create a new account. Remember, suspensions are retracted ONLY if the suspension is an error, which means your account is lost forever. And also Riot Games do not care who started, they just bring justice. About the "toxicity", you were telling people to report others all the time, which is considered abusive. Hope I helped!