mature discussion regarding player reform and permanent suspension

Vicious94·7/10/2018, 8:49:22 AM·1 votes·1,742 views

I believe the jump from 14 day ban, (2 weeks) to a perma ban is way too drastic. I understand the need for order. However, I do believe there should be a way back in.. I seriously believe it's far too much to just throw the book at someone regardless of how many small warnings. Perhaps a probationary period.. after 6 month ban. Perhaps link a new account to your old one and allow them to reach a certain level without toxic behaviors or reports for a chance to regain control of their old account. Any ideas are welcome we all need to come together and influence riot. It is devastating to lose your account. Many people have mental illnesses and are poor, or sad, or hungry. They mouth off one too many times and boom. 3 years of work gone. We HAVE to find another way to help people reform. Even real criminals get parole sometimes, and noone likes criminals. #second chance.

31 Comments

P4ppino7/10/2018, 8:58:31 AM9 votes

Getting permabanned is not an instantaneous thing, you get warnings along the way, that you behavior needs to change. You have to be consistently toxic to even get a 14 day ban, excluding the zero tolerance policy. A simple chat restriction is a warning too. So in that sense you have 3 chances until you get permabanned, it seems reasonable to me.

Umbral Regent7/10/2018, 9:04:43 AM6 votes

I believe the jump from 14 day ban, (2 weeks) to a perma ban is way too drastic.

Perhaps a probationary period.. after 6 month ban.

Here's the thing: Six months is too long of a period for effective punishment. By the time three months have passed, the punished party will likely have forgotten the offense that resulted in the punishment in the first place. If they don't leave outright, they may just start up a new account and forget the old one - and at that point, you may as well just issue a permanent suspension and achieve the same effect.

You can say that the jump from 14-day ban to permanent is drastic...But don't you think getting to the 14-day ban in the first place seems pretty drastic? In most normal cases, you'd have to break the rules at least twice, ignoring a 10-game and a 25-game chat restriction. If you get to the 14-day ban - which is severe enough as is - and still don't get the picture...

Well, how many chances do you really need? If three chances aren't enough, with increasingly severe punishments, then what are the odds you'll get the picture and start reforming after a fourth punishment?

Perhaps link a new account to your old one and allow them to reach a certain level without toxic behaviors or reports for a chance to regain control of their old account.

When Riot permanently bans an account, they've given up on the expectation of the player reforming, and consequently, want that player to leave. They do not want that person playing on that account again - let alone playing League of Legends in general.

Giving players an opportunity to get a permanently banned account again would be welcoming back toxic players, which is not something Riot is going to humor in the near or far future.

It is devastating to lose your account. It's almost discriminatory.. almost.

If you're going to say that getting your account permanently banned due to consistent and belligerent misbehavior is "almost discriminatory", then you can't really say that the discussion you're trying to hold is mature.

Claiming "discrimination" instead of actually accepting that you broke the rules is not mature.

Many people have mental illnesses and are poor, or sad, or hungry.

I have yet to see someone with a mental illness that risks their account's longevity due to misbehavior. Granted, there is likely someone out there that fits such a description, but - I've yet to see them.

As for poor, sad, and hungry...None of those are remotely valid excuses for misbehavior.

They mouth off one too many times and boom. 3 years of work gone.

You'd have to mouth off quite a lot of times to actually get to the 14-day ban. And, again; if you don't get the message by that point, by the point when Riot is literally forcing you to not play their game for a while because your behavior is that bad, you're clearly not going to reform any time soon.

We HAVE to find another way to help people reform.

Let's start with the people who need to reform actually making the effort to do so, instead of trying to find cheap solutions to get banned accounts back.

Even real criminals get parole sometimes, and noone likes criminals.

The metaphorical parole, in this case, is the periods after your chat restriction/suspension are over. You've served your sentence (10-game chat restriction, 25-game chat restriction, 14-day suspension), and you're let out to prove that you can do better and abide by the rules.

If you don't, you get the next punishment tier.

If your last punishment happened to be a 14-day ban, that's it. You're done. The next step after that is a permanent ban.

ModThe Djinn7/10/2018, 11:44:43 AM4 votes

I believe the jump from 14 day ban, (2 weeks) to a perma ban is way too drastic.

I understand you feel this way, but Riot has done a lot of experiments, and have found two things (after several years and a lot of data):

  • More bans did not meaningfully increase reform, but DID increase occurrences of toxicity the community had to put up with.
  • Only a very small percentage of permanently banned players reform if given a second chance.

While this is not to say there aren't some who could, Riot needs a policy that will work for tens of thousands of players -- not one that is individually tailored to specific individuals, especially when those individuals have already violated the rules several times.

I know that sounds harsh, but it's the reality of a community this large.

Sir Prepuzius7/10/2018, 10:37:44 AM2 votes

dude, won't happen, perma is perma, you have to deal with it and move on you can always make a new account

MadSeer7/10/2018, 2:56:21 PM2 votes

I sympathize, but it takes a lot of consistent negative behaviour and warnings to receive a permaban. The only thing I can tell you is that you should take this as a lesson and genuinely work on your attitude, then maybe like in a year or two if you feel you've really changed you can try to contact RIot support directly and make your case, I don't know.

Kei1437/10/2018, 10:40:51 AM1 votes

If you didn't reform with so many warnings (chat restrictions and 14-day ban), an extra punishment tier won't help.

DearPear7/10/2018, 10:04:49 AM1 votes

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or hungry.

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Vicious947/10/2018, 9:26:40 AM1 votes

It's frustrating to hear this. Idk what I was expecting, maybe a little compassion? idk. This happened 6 months ago. I have had plenty of time to reflect, and all this time it's burned me. You have no idea what it feels like bro.. To fuck up this bad.

Vicious947/10/2018, 9:55:00 AM1 votes

People say it's a waste of time. I'm the kind of person who believes in that brighter future. I BELIEVE IN SECOND CHANCES. I am a player of PASSION. A lot can happen in a year. It's a damn shame.

Vicious947/10/2018, 8:52:26 AM1 votes

Riot is an INCREDIBLE company. I love this game because it is for everybody. Rich, poor, good computer or bad. Black, white, asian, gay or straight. We need healing in the community. I believe there is potential in this idea.

Vicious947/10/2018, 10:17:44 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/aJM2UHfr-social-anxiety this is the real me. This was really how I felt. I have a problem I know. But I need help, not perma ban e.e Please rito work with me baby WORK WITH ME. I wrote this 2 years ago. This is proof that I want to change. I'm just a late bloomer rito pleaseeee you have to believe me. Video chat me. I would be terrified but I can face my fears please I need you to understand.