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'Toxicity' and its context

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd··3 votes·566 views

The kids on here use the cry of 'hes being toxic to' as a shield for trolling, negative behavior, and inting when you call them out on those course of actions. Rito Tribunal system expects that you must be chill for 15-20 minutes while someone comes in game with the sole purpose to make your experience bad. Case in point, Currently GV trying to fix MMR in preseason so I can have a better shot to possibly reach high Gold or Plat next season but 7/10 games are characterized by someone that trolls, ints or displays negative sportsmanlike behavior. Remember Rito, you cannot mute a persons behavior or inting in game, you have to frustrate yourself with that for at least 15 - 20 minutes. So when 1 player lashes out at that/those inters/feeders or neg attituders in game look at the match on a whole and not just extract the alleged offender's 'toxic' attitude when doling out judgment.

If you look on the context of the toxicity youll often realise that the inters/feeders/run down laners/teemo supporters/ afk farmers are the ones who should get harsher punishment.

11 Comments

Jo0o2 votes

You make it sound like the freedom to rage at trolls somehow lessens the impact of the trolling. The opposite is more often the case.

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd1 votes

I dont get how what you said has anything to do with my post. Elucidate please.

Jo0o3 votes

Well, several issues are at play here:

  1. Trolls DO get punished, and usually with an escalating 14-day ban or perma, but it's harder to catch them. Intentionally feeding can be difficult to distinguish from playing poorly, being outmatched, lagging, etc. It often requires a manual review to catch folks doing this, which takes time. It DOES happen, but it's never going to be as efficient to catch an inter as it is to catch a flamer.

  2. Folks get inaccurately accused of being a troll or an inter all the time. Ever had a bad game where your teammates claim you're inting? I sure have. Got level 2 ganked at top lane a couple weeks back, died, TP'd back in, turns out the enemy jungler just hung out in the tri-bush and I got popped again. Played as defensively as I could, still went 0/5 in a short game. Why am I mentioning this? Well, Riot can't allow the flaming of inters without somebody like me getting flamed in that scenario. It's not reasonable to trust the individual players to make an informed and correct assessment as to who would "deserve" to be flamed.

  3. Flaming trolls is feeding trolls. I assume that, as a denizen of the Internet, you understand the reasons why you aren't supposed to feed trolls.

If I've missed the point you're trying to make, feel free to clarify.

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd1 votes

I feel u on all of this. However, personally speaking, a lot of my games in pre season have been characterized by inters/feeders/run down laners/teemo supporters and I believe that those players should be hit with the full hand of Justice from Rito, more so, than one (like myself) who will rage at that troll.

Pizza on a Bun1 votes

{quoted} Rito Tribunal system expects that you must be chill for 15-20 minutes while someone comes in game with the sole purpose to make your experience bad.

This can be initiated at the start of champ select, and outside of game. Where did you even come to the idea that it there's a certain time frame where you can or can't be toxic without consequence?

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd1 votes

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This can be initiated at the start of champ select, and outside of game. Where did you even come to the idea that it there's a certain time frame where you can or can't be toxic without consequence?

by 15-20 minutes I mean you have to be chill for at least 15 minutes where you can early surrender

MLXIII1 votes

Teemo support is a thing?! Going to go give it a try now...

Jo0o1 votes

It was super popular for a while after the new runes went live, thanks to Aery being so strong. The consistent poke without the possibility to dodge was really oppressive.

It's probably still fine now, but with nerfs all around it doesn't seem nearly as popular as several weeks ago.

zPOOPz1 votes

if you play with (or in this case as) the devil, i hope you get burned.

#banTeemo

[sg-shisa]

Mindspeaker1 votes

{quoted} So when 1 player lashes out at that/those inters/feeders or neg attituders in game look at the match on a whole and not just extract the alleged offender's 'toxic' attitude when doling out judgment.

That is incorrect... Player 1 in your example deserves to be punished as equally as the intentional feeder.

You cannot blame your verbal abuse, toxic attitude or negative comments on the game or any other player.

Every player is 100% responsible for their own actions and speech.

It does not matter if its your promo and you have 2 intentional feeders and an afk..... You still don't have the right to express you dissatisfaction in game in any way shape or form.

Here is the standard copy and paste for this type of attitiued

No matter what anyone says or does in game you are not to react or respond to it in any way shape or form

either mute and or ignore.

There is absolutely no justification to meet negativity with more negativity

Here is a couple of quotes from the mods regarding " defending yourself"

(LET'S NOT FORGET THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MY SELF WHEN SOMEONE ATTACKS ME VERBALLY ESPECIALLY ON THE FU*KING INTERNET)

Ulanopo (NA) - 24 days ago

No, you actually don't. This isn't a free speech issue. Riot controls the space, which grants them the authority to set the rules. If they don't want you in their house, you have to leave.

^^^this is a point i wish more people understood ^^^

Chermorg (NA) - 18 days ago

You still don't have the right to "defend yourself". That has never been a "right" in League. "Defending yourself" is rude, annoying, and turns one toxic player into multiple that your teammates and the enemy have to deal with. And it doesn't actually stop toxicity.

There is no justification for combating negativity with more negativity in a video game.

^^^^^What part of this is such difficult concept to comprehend?????^^^^^^^^

If you are getting angry at the status or outcome of a video game that is a personal issue dealing with emotional stability / anger management. It has nothing to do with Riot , the game , Competitive, legitimate rule breakers or anything else you can come up with.

It also portrays you as an immature childish uncivilized player and person.

If someone intentionally feeds/ afk etc and you flame them for it

you deserve to be punishing just as much as they do.

If someone calls you every name in the book and makes up some new ones -- and you respond

you deserve to be punished just as much as they do.

If someone simply isn't answering your pings , chat or playing the way you think they should and you "call them out"

You deserve to be punished

It does not matter "why" you did it ...the fact is you did . That's the only think that matters in the above cases.

No matter what game mode your in certain things just are not allowed reacting to anything you dont like in game is one of the things not allowed,

In other words you ( according to Riots behavioral policy) have no right to

  • be verbally abusive/ verbally offesive
  • react or "defend yourself" against others being verbally abusive
  • chastise those legitimately breaking the rules
  • Chastise those who you don't agree with
  • complain about anything
  • Rant about any personal grievance in the game
  • giving any type of negative commentary regarding whats happening in the game

Doing any of the above can lead to various punishments including permaban's

So here is the lessons you should take from this on the mature and civilized way to handle things which will also ensure you are following Riots behavioral guidelines

So yes if someone is saying the most vile insults to you ever spoken,

the proper action according to Riot is mute and report without any response including " report x or i'm muting you"

If any amount of people are breaking every game play rule in the book

The proper action according to Riot is ignore them don't respond with anything -- even "report x"

yes you might lose a match and some lP if in ranked its still just a video game and not a serious life or death situation if you do.

and really---

Which is the best coarse of action if you don't want to be punished given Riots current policy?

1 Not reacting or responding in any way shape or form and losing a match and some Lp ...which really has no "real value" and can eventually be replaced

2 Reacting, "defending yourself", "sarcastic " responses, chastising rule breakers or simply just complaining about think you don't like in game and risking losing your entire account that does have monetary value?

The safest option is in other words if you cant say anything positive ..without being sarcastic about it .. don't say anything at all.

If you pick option 2 its inevitable that you will eventually end up perma banned once you reach the top punishment tier.

HeyBigGuyHeyBudd1 votes

Thanks for the clarification. Thats a flawed lazy system, but i guess its a free to play game.

Personally, the inters, feeders and those negative tilters have led me to not spend another cent on skins as I did in the past. Those negative, tilting, frustrating experiences with them have been to common in the recent past. A lot of my other friends, especially the ones I duoed with share the same sentiment and have done the same and started playing other games like this new one (Player Unknown Battle Ground). Believe it or not, for them, and me League has lost its appeal beacuse of those people who ruin their in game experience on the rift, not the ones who lash out at the toxic behavior.

Its seems as though however, that muting and moving along is the answer for me, ill def try that more but theres still the over-arching problem. Theres little to no inhibition for players to int and feed and play negatively ESPECIALLY IN RANKED because they know that the likelyhood of punishment is low, they know that their behavior can be passed off as 'having a bad game' 'or im just having fun'.

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