Still haven't had a valid discussion on toxicity

VALUABLE PLAYER·8/12/2018, 4:19:11 PM·4 votes·2,108 views

I see ignorant comments such as

"Muting toxic players causes there to be less team communication"

Well , would you rather have a flamer flame you 24/7 or him to be quiet? He won't have any useful conversation anyways AMIRITE ??

"Riot doesn't want toxic players in there game"

Well, aren't you a smart economics major, you really think a company doesn't want money!

"Toxicity makes you lose games"

You don't even play ranked, looking at you Molt, toxicity has no effects on winning\losing. It's 100% about skill

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ModThe Djinn8/12/2018, 4:24:28 PM12 votes

He won't have any useful conversation anyways AMIRITE?

You are correct. But every player permanently muted is one NOT permanently muted player I don't have on my team. In short, it reduces my odds of getting a helpful, communicative teammate.

Well, aren't you a smart economics major, you really think a company doesn't want money!

Given that Riot has explicitly, on several occasions, said they do not want toxic players playing their game, I would say that the people repeating these statements are correct, yes.

Toxicity makes you lose games

This is also supported by data Riot has, as announced in a video they made a few years ago.

Jo0o8/12/2018, 4:32:24 PM10 votes

This thread isn't going to be a "valid discussion" if you dismiss people as trash as you answer them.

ModWulf Helhammer8/12/2018, 4:26:07 PM8 votes

"Riot doesn't want toxic players in there game"

Well, aren't you a smart economics major, you really think a company doesn't want money!

You are at a restaurant. There's a guest being incredibly obnoxious, going over to people's tables and harassing them, being loud, etc. The restaurant staff does nothing about him. How likely are you to go back to that restaurant?

The atmosphere that toxic players causes Riot to lose more customers than banning a single toxic player does. If they get the point of them permabanning you, it's a sign saying "Don't come back, we don't want you here."

"Toxicity makes you lose games"

You don't even play ranked, looking at you Molt, toxicity has no effects on winning\losing. It's 100% about skill

So you're saying that someone constantly berating teammates for every little mistake, being insulting and rude, all that makes you play better?

Why then have pro teams consistently released players because of poor attitude and behavior? Acting like a dick makes it harder for people to actually work together.

RallerenP8/12/2018, 7:40:27 PM4 votes

And wow, I must say you are certainly taking the lead on this one. You're not here for a discussion. I don't know exactly why you are here, but you're certainly not here for any kind of discussion.

You don't even play ranked, looking at you Molt, toxicity has no effects on winning\losing. It's 100% about skill

This is what we call a 'claim'. A 'claim' has to be either backed by 'evidence', OR you have to be able to follow it rationally.

You didn't deliver any evidence, and you also didn't provide any reasoning to help us rationally understand why you think the way you do.


When you are tilted, you make worse decisions.

Relative to sadness, guilt, gratitude, and pride, angry participants were less likely to trust others... ....Relative to fearful people, angry people were more likely to make risk-seeking choices.

By angering people, or tilting them, you are impacting their judgement on risk-factors. Essentially, people make more risky plays when tilted.

Not only that, you are also hurting team cooperation.

...

I don't think I need to spell it out even further but, tilting people makes them play worse, lowering your chances of winning a game. That is backed by evidence from a 3rd party other than Riot, and it's also something you can follow with common sense and rationale.

Thinker8/12/2018, 4:25:18 PM3 votes

I have seen theses types of comments too. It is really frustrating that people actually think toxicity makes the game worse, on average these people also reside in the lower elo bracket but if I go on certain mods will claim its rank shaming only because they belong to said rank. I think toxicity actually makes the game better because we got people that care about the game and that want to win, Imaqtpie and wildturtle even said this in one of their beyond the rift. I also saw what you did there with "Molt". I'll let the mystery go on for now but funny. Nevertheless trolls should be flamed and toxicity does not lose you games whatsoever.

Umbral Regent8/12/2018, 11:34:40 PM3 votes

First off, no discussion is ever going to be valid if you cannot accept the responses people give you. If you're not willing to hear anything, then you're just calling every discussion invalid when it actually isn't.

"Muting toxic players causes there to be less team communication"

Well , would you rather have a flamer flame you 24/7 or him to be quiet? He won't have any useful conversation anyways AMIRITE ??

This, I see both ways on. Yes, you're right in that muting is a necessity here. But the point of that response about muting causing less team communication is more about the flamers themselves ruining team communication than the act of muting. We shouldn't have to mute someone. We should be able to keep an open line of communication with people, but flamers just so happen to ruin that.

"Riot doesn't want toxic players in there game"

Well, aren't you a smart economics major, you really think a company doesn't want money!

First, condescending and belittling remarks like this only further serve to invalidate discussion, since you clearly can't seem to provide a good argument without resorting to such insults.

Second; Riot has stated in the past that they don't want toxic players in their game, and they don't want those toxic players' money. Imagine this; in one match, you have one toxic player and four non-toxic players. They've all recently spent five-hundred dollars, and each plans to spend more in the future.

The toxic player would drive away those non-toxics, and consequently lose Riot whatever money they were planning to spend in the future.

Riot loses more if they keep toxics than if they kick them out. You don't need to be an economics major to know that people being toxic, yelling at others, and being all-around assholes is bad for business.

Besides, the League playerbase is millions-strong. Surely to god, losing toxic players isn't gonna put a dent in their income.

"Toxicity makes you lose games"

You don't even play ranked, looking at you Molt, toxicity has no effects on winning\losing. It's 100% about skill

Dunno who Molt is, but your comment to them is completely undeserved. But, since playing Ranked is a requirement for a valid opinion on this matter...

Hi, I'm Umbral Regent, Gold V/Silver III/Silver I of 2017, Gold V/N/A/Silver II of 2018. I have an opinion to the contrary of yours.

Whether you like it or not, toxicity does increase the likelihood of losing a match. You can think it's 100% about skill, but it isn't. It's 70% about skill, 20% about team cohesion, and 10% morale.

Toxicity, obviously, breaks down team cohesion. If you have any number of flamers more than zero, you're going to have people who don't want to deal with that flamer. And if you have two flamers...Congrats. Half of your team doesn't want to work together with the other half. Having to mute toxic players breaks team cohesion further (because, again, those players shouldn't be toxic and require muting in the first place), and there's really no coming back once a flame war has started.

On top of that, the skill bit about winning Ranked? Yeah, toxicity saps that, too. Flamers play worse because they're focusing more on flaming than playing the game, and everyone around them plays worse because of that last 10% - morale - going down.

So, unless you can somehow make toxicity not damage morale, team cohesion, or focus...Yeah, toxicity'll lose you more games than it'll win you.

EvilDustMan8/12/2018, 8:36:36 PM2 votes

You are clearly not someone who would argue in good faith.