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LanaBananaAHS·12/27/2018, 4:42:58 PM·1 votes·7,021 views

hi everyone, im a toxic player got permabanned 3 months ago. i thought over and over on this and im here to discuss about permaban

i know , you probably thinking :" this is the classic permabanned desparate person asking for a unban" but thats not true

im here to discuss about permaban system and even if i will never get unbanned i wanna help other permabanned players because i think permaban is meaningless but let me explain why

the first day of my ban i got desperate and like every other person would do i asked to riot a unban but ofc i didnt got it after this i went in a depression for about 2 months keeping cry on my bed and so on

after this i started playing with my smurf and , this got me very tilt because after everything i passed i see ppl flaming really hard and just being chat restricted and as riot told me , a honor 5 and a honor 0 player deserves different "garbarge-ness" of the system and theres no justice on this , i mean i, if a honor 5 player say "[all] fuk you" get not even a chat restriction while if a honor 1 or 0 say this get a ban(i proved thoshe 2 things by myself) but this is only a point of my reasons

another reason is: where is the meaning of this? after 3 months of thinking i still the same, i simple disabled me of typing and even if im more tilted, im not getting any ban . the permabanned experience changed me 2 things, 1 everyone make fun of me using me as a stereotype for memes, and 2 i got depressed and lost money

another reason is: permabanned players have no reason to keep a good behavior. this is a really important thing, now take a while to think if a permabanned player get banned for being toxic, why should he behaving good next time ? in my particular case permaban worked (even if gamechat is a bit annoyinng without my comments) . but for many other permabanned players this is dont work and they end up flaming again and end up never thinking on how they offend ppl .

now as a result lets do a summary of what permaban made: i stopped flaming,im gettiing more tilted,i got depressed 2 months, i have no reason to behave good, and over 200 euros got waste

now, for this i have a "soluction" i see that you saying we had a chance to reform on other ban and restriction but them are not the same thing! a 14 days ban is totally different from a permaban and a player cant really believe riot is that greedy to ban accounts with so much time and money spent on ,and in my case, a player cant really think a ban happened 06/1 to being considerated 4 months later!

my "soluction" was to engage permabanned ppl to dont flame making them follow rules and behaving good so my idea was for example: if you get permabanned you have a last chance of recover your account by reaching honor 5 on a new account

i see that would " break " the permaban meaning but this is to engage permabanned player to reform because permaban meaning isnt of " muting " players it should help them to reform because muting anyone make only chaos

and before you comment saying riot dont mute players , i can tell i dont even have dirict of talking to them, my email got answered from a bot ( blitzcrank bot) thats not justice , thats not equality and permabanned players are over 10 000 thats why its not a minor them and riot should start taking really care of it

if not me , at the very least do this for other players because this is not only me i want no one else feeling like this anymore

thank for listening and i excuses for my bad englishitem 3070 [sg-ahri-2]

23 Comments

Umbral Regent12/27/2018, 7:22:51 PM5 votes

...and as riot told me , a honor 5 and a honor 0 player deserves different "garbarge-ness" of the system and theres no justice on this...

I have reason to doubt that Riot said anything similar to this. Either that, or you're taking quite a few liberties with paraphrasing.

...i mean i, if a honor 5 player say "[all] fuk you" get not even a chat restriction while if a honor 1 or 0 say this get a ban(i proved thoshe 2 things by myself) but this is only a point of my reasons

That's not related to Honor - outside of the fact that a player at Honor Level 1 or 0 would have less leniency from the system. The IFS punishes people based on consistency and severity, and saying "fuk you" once in /all chat, while certainly up there on the severity scale, is likely not consistent.

So, it's not that the player is Honor 5 that he gets to do that - it's that it's not a normal occurrence. He doesn't just snap saying "fuk you" in /all chat every single game - that was probably one instance of poor behavior compared to a pretty clean history. The IFS seldom punishes for one-off offenses unless they're especially egregious.

As for being Honor Level 1/0, you can only ever get to those Honor Levels if you've been punished, and if that's the case, then you're supposed to be proving your reform. If you're not on your best behavior, then the IFS can only assume that you haven't learned your lesson from the previous punishment, and it is counted as consistent misbehavior.

another reason is: permabanned players have no reason to keep a good behavior.

Well, the permanent ban is not meant to reform players. It's there to make them leave. If you run through both chat restrictions and the 14-day ban, and still misbehave, then Riot can't reasonably assume that any degree of punishment is going to change you, so they'd rather show you the door and have you be on your way.

The opportunities to reform and start behaving better come before the permanent ban, not after it.

...i see that you saying we had a chance to reform on other ban and restriction but them are not the same thing! a 14 days ban is totally different from a permaban and a player cant really believe riot is that greedy to ban accounts with so much time and money spent on...

First of all, it's not an issue of greed. It's an issue of necessity, having to get rid of a problem player so that everyone else can enjoy the game. The more you think of it as "Riot bans because they're greedy", the less likely you're going to be able to actually understand the permanent ban itself.

Beyond that, how much clearer can Riot get that the 14-day ban is the penultimate punishment? They straight up say it in the reform card; "Any further misbehavior will result in a permanent ban."

Do they need to put it in its own window before you can officially play the game? Put it in boldface, italics, and have it dominate the screen? Does the fact that the punishments grow increasingly harsh - from ten games of restricted chat, to twenty-five, to a full two-week long ban from the game - does that not clue players in to the fact that Riot can and will permanently ban them if they keep it up?

If time and money spent on the game doesn't stop Riot from punishing players, then why would they doubt that Riot would permanently ban them if they keep up their act?

At the end of the day, it's the fault of the players if they ignore the message that their next punishment will be their last.

my "soluction" was to engage permabanned ppl to dont flame making them follow rules and behaving good so my idea was for example: if you get permabanned you have a last chance of recover your account by reaching honor 5 on a new account

If they can get to Honor Level 5 on a new account...Then great. They reached Honor Level 5 on their new account. But that's not going to magically redeem them from the offenses that led up to their previous account being permanently banned. The 14-day ban was the last chance to prove that you can reform on that account.

If that opportunity was squandered, then that's it. Nothing's going to change the fact that the account is permanently banned. If they wanted to keep their account, they'd listen to the punishments and warnings and urgings to reform, and actually play by the rules.

i see that would " break " the permaban meaning but this is to engage permabanned player to reform because permaban meaning isnt of " muting " players it should help them to reform because muting anyone make only chaos

No, the permanent ban, as I've mentioned before, is not there to reform players. It's to show them the door when they've proven time and time again that they won't reform.

and before you comment saying riot dont mute players , i can tell i dont even have dirict of talking to them, my email got answered from a bot ( blitzcrank bot) thats not justice , thats not equality and permabanned players are over 10 000 thats why its not a minor them and riot should start taking really care of it

10,000 players is still only a fraction of a playerbase that's millions strong. Even if you settle for a rough amount, like 2,000,000, 10,000 is still only a small fraction of that number.

if not me , at the very least do this for other players because this is not only me i want no one else feeling like this anymore

If people don't like the consequences for breaking the rules, then it should be on them to not break the rules, not on Riot to console them and give them umpteen more opportunities to break the rules.

If you break the rules over and over again, getting yourself permanently banned, and then start to feel bad about it, then I'm sorry to say, but you've dug your grave, so you have to lie in it.

breakordoom44412/27/2018, 5:12:29 PM3 votes

the solution in question is very problematic, Perma-banned players are ALWAYS given a 14-day ban warning, no matter the chat restriction amount, you can't be straight up perma-banned (unless you are IP banned). players are given a bunch of chances to reform, and if they fuck up, they should really take the time to contemplate their words.

also, while I do not critique grammar, if you want to write a meaningful thought out thread, try adjusting your grammar.

in addition, reaching honor 5 is really easy, you can just.... not talk and you will get to honor five eventually. I wouldn't un-ban perma ban players, but I must say perma-ban is very tough. maybe 10 year, 5 year ban?

AeroWaffle12/27/2018, 4:46:19 PM2 votes

Given the 14-day ban was suppose to be the "last chance", what reasoning can you give that this new last chance will result in any different result?

hi im Rizzuto12/27/2018, 4:47:54 PM2 votes

what the F is soluction ? Lol

Telephone Booth12/28/2018, 10:45:59 PM2 votes

Yeah it must suck not being able to follow the rules of a game and getting banned for it. The solution is to stop playing league. Youre permabanned. They dont want you to play anymore. You act like a permaban is supposed to HELP you. Its not. Its supposed to remove you from the community because you cant seem to follow the rules. Of course permabanned players have no reason to follow the rules anymore or whatever you said. You have no reason to play! Get out! Why are you talking about reform when youve been permanently banned? If you make a new account and arent reformed, thats on YOU. They dont try to reform you anymore because you managed to fuck up so bad your actual account got PERMANENTLY BANNED.

sona10000000007/20/2019, 10:41:33 AM1 votes

literally tyler1 was flaming at teammates and there was no mistake maken by the system he even until last minute he said 'fuck this tema' then he saw permabanned is that an mistake rito? I will really wanting answer to this and when I talk bout a punishment or something u guys barely ever answer but if I ask about ur merch literally 3 minutes u guys answered. please explain to me this !!!!