https://gyazo.com/5c3031674f9cc3023a8320a04da844ec.png Yes im a one trick bard top , and when i hover it and its banned and then you say "I don't want to play with a bard top you fking troll", don't be surprised when Im stuck with playing a champ i dont know well and do poorly. Just no. http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd340/SonicAdvance/no-just-no_zps8177c17e.jpg
Aatrox Mid 1v55 votesJust wait until after the ban phase to hover him.
OnlyYouCanHearMe4 votesIt seems perfectly reasonable to me that you would have a worse performance on a champion you do not know as well as your main. So, I can completely understand why you would be frustrated by teammates being toxic/angry towards you. It's rather unfair for them to blame you, when their bans were the immediate trigger of the situation. Though I'm sure by now you have noticed, that the internet, like life, isn't always fair.
All I can suggest is trying to talk to your team about it in champ select. Maybe even have a link to your op.gg saved so they can see your stats. A little communication in chat that is not something like "wtf are you banning my champ you asshole?!" can go a long way towards helping your cause. Not saying that you said things like that, but I see that sort of thing allll the time in chat.
And, as a one-trick myself, I would give one final piece of advice. Find at least one other champion that you can fall back on. You don't have to like playing them, but if you can play them at even 50% of the ability that you play your main, it's a good place to start. I was forced to do this because Riot decided to do a mini-rework on my girl last season, and she was banned every single match for weeks. So, I had to play someone else. Many people will pick someone who has a similar playstyle to their main. I've been wracking my brains, and I can't really think of anyone who is truly similar to Bard. Maybe try and think about what part of his kit you like the best, and go from there? Whether it's his mobility across the map with his tunnels, the buffed auto attacks from his meeps, his unusual way of landing hard cc. Do you enjoy having a caster with reliable, easy poke and safe cc? If you look for one or two of those things, instead of all of them, you may be able to find a champion that you can fall back on in a pinch.
NinjaGuy692 votesAll I can suggest is trying to talk to your team about it in champ select.
This is honestly the best piece of advice you could give someone who wants to play something that can be considered a troll pick. If they're cool with it, then everyone wins. If not, you have to respect their decision because it wouldn't be fair to them to force them to play with such an unconventional pick.
In OP's specific case, I have such disdain for Bard (as in I fucking hate that champion with a passion. He's one of the 3 useless brothers along with Teemo and Shaco) that I would ban him if I saw OP hover him. But you never know what you're going to get in champ select unless you talk it out. Communication goes a long way to resolving a lot of issues.
Last night, I had a guy lock in support Ekko and I told my team I was dodging because of it. As I was clicking the X button to close out my client, time slowed down and I read his final message to me as I was exiting the game: "I'm switching with Galio. I'm going mid". Communication OP. Have an upvote, m'lady.
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesWhen a player hovers that unconventional pick, and doesn't say anything, almost everyone has at least one moment of "this match is going to suck." People dread being trapped in a match for at least 15 minutes with someone who is going to do everything in their power to ruin that game. But you are very, very right. Communication goes such a long way. Just taking the time to type something in chat telling your team that you know what you're wanting to play isn't meta, but that you have a plan with it, or that you have a history of success with it, can go a long way to soothe that feeling of dread. There was actually an AD Bard top in one of my matches last night. From what we could see in /all chat (he was on the enemy team) there didn't seem to be a problem with it, and we were playing with a 4 man premade, so he likely was playing with some friends as well. But even if he wasn't, it didn't seem to cause enough problems for his team to spill over into the "report this troll top. auto locked bard. etc..." that you sometimes see.
In the rare ranked matches that I play, and the normals that I play without my friends, I get asked periodically if I would play X champion as a support. Ranked is one of the only places where I do tend to hover my champion, just so my team can get an idea of what we're looking at as a team comp; I don't tend to worry about it quite as rigorously in normals. I've one-tricked Sona for a long time now, and I'll be asked things like "can you play a tank?" "can you play an aggressive support?" "NO SONA NOOOOOO SOOOOONNNNNAAAA" (that was a personal favorite) "can you play thresh instead?" And I don't mind being asked this. If they ask nicely, I'm willing to discuss and compromise in a way that will benefit the team and help our chances to win. When I'm asked to play a tank, I'll let them know that I can play Leona, but it's been a few months, and I'm rusty, but I will let them decide whether they want to take that chance. If they insist on Leona then they already know that I'm not going to be making any pro-level plays with her, and it was their choice for me to play her. If they ask for a more aggressive support, I let them know that I am a Sona one-trick, and do like to play her as an aggressive poke-heavy presence in lane, but that I can play Karma or Syndra if they want more damage. I picked up Syndra because people kept picking Sona in my matches and I was annoyed. So I decided to punish them for taking my main. When people ask for Thresh, I tell them something similar to what I told them for Leona. I can play him, but I'm nowhere near as good with him as I am with Sona, and while I will try my best to land his cc, I will miss hooks, and probably flay backwards once or twice, and make other novice mistakes with him. But I let them make the informed decision.
The ones that yell at me with the "NO SONA" crap, which happened earlier this week actually, I have no desire whatsoever to accommodate. I have a fairly crazy work schedule, and most work days, I can only play 1 match, 2 at the most. If they cannot speak to me with common courtesy or even a modicum of respect, then I see no reason why I should give up my one game time slot to play the champion I love to play. I won't be rude to them, I won't say anything at all to those people. For them, I simply lock in Sona, and /mute them as soon as the match starts. It might be a little immature of me, but I don't really trust myself to say something to them in chat that wouldn't come across as condescendingly chiding, so I don't try to say anything in champ select. If I could think of something to say that wouldn't make me sound like a pompous asshat, I might try it, but I've yet to think of anything, so I just stay quiet. If you've got any suggestions on what to say to people like that, I'd love to hear them!
NinjaGuy692 votesIf you've got any suggestions on what to say to people like that, I'd love to hear them!
I'd probably just reiterate that communication is key in those situations when you want to resolve any potential issues in champ select. Honesty is the best policy. If your ADC prefers that you play another support, just let them know that you're a one-trick Sona and you're not as experienced on other champions. If they're persistent (yet still cordial), then you either suggest that you'd have the best chance of winning lane if you played Sona or you indulge your ADC and play something that's more preferable to them. At the end of the day, the champion that you choose to play is up to you.
If they harass you in game for picking a support that they don't like then that's their fault, not yours. Just mute them and try your best to work with the team. Lastly, if you believe that being a Sona one-trick is too detrimental to your overall experience, then you can obviously try learning other support champions. It would also be beneficial to you in situations where the enemy team picks or bans Sona, m'lady.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesI've never found it detrimental to be a one-trick honestly. Aside from those few people who rage in champ select, which would probably only be something like 0.0001% of my matches, I don't usually have any severe issues with it. When they first reworked Sona, back in season 4 (I think?) was when I realized that I had to have a backup champion. It wasn't quite as bad then for me, since I played a lot of blind pick, but with her last rework, she was permabanned for almost a month until they went in and nerfed her. That was even more encouragement for me to take a bit more time to get more experience on my backup champions. It's the main reason why I will always try to recommend that any one-trick learns at least one backup champion.
Even someone like BoxBox, who is one of the more successful one-tricks, has quite a few backup champs. If Riven is banned out, he can easily play Fiora or Katarina. He's also pretty good with Lee Sin, Jayce, and Jax.
And yeah, the cordial ones I never have any issue with. It's just the ones who are so angry and yelling straight from champ-select that I never know what to do with. I honestly don't think I've ever sat there and typed shouting at another player in the entire time I've played League, and it mystifies me how someone can get so angry over someone else's pick, even when it's a troll pick, in a normal match. Those are the people that I don't know how to respond to. So, I had been just muting them and not saying anything. I'll try your approach the next time it happens and see how it goes! Thank you for this lovely discussion, sir, it's been quite refreshing.
NinjaGuy692 votesI'll try your approach the next time it happens and see how it goes! Thank you for this lovely discussion, sir, it's been quite refreshing.
Good luck, m'lady. One last thing I wanted to mention was you could also try being silly or jokey with your ADC to lighten up the mood if they're raging in game. You could say something corny like: "We don't need to be sour grapes over this game. We'll ruin the fruit jam that way! Let's just League and chill, amigo."
The reason for this is that if a person is aware that they were muted (or if you're not communicating with them because they already are muted), it could affect their mentality in a negative way. You don't need to care about your ADC, but to prevent them from tilting and get them back in a proper mindset, you could try deescalating the situation first through humor. I personally don't like muting people unless it's absolutely necessary because I like to keep the communication channels as open as possible, even with a negative player. But if they're just hurling obscenities at you in chat, then it's obviously best to just mute them because they're likely a lost cause.
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesI don't like to mute either. I'm always worried that I will miss something important in the match, some request or suggestion, or even a bit of intel that could have turned a fight in our favor. So, unless someone resorts to outright yelling, I don't bother. And even in those cases, I'll unmute them after a few minutes to "test the waters" and see if they are still at it or behaving. I didn't even mute my inting adc from last night who called me a "floating whore." I thought it was pretty damned funny, all things considered.
It was awesome to see you in a random match today! I'm sorry our game didn't go better, but hopefully we'll run into each other and have a bit better luck the next time. If you ever wanna play, just send me a message and if I'm free, I'll join. I'm usually either by myself or with the lovable goof (aka Draven) that masquerades as mu duo partner.
NinjaGuy691 votesIt was awesome to see you in a random match today! I'm sorry our game didn't go better, but hopefully we'll run into each other and have a bit better luck the next time. If you ever wanna play, just send me a message and if I'm free, I'll join. I'm usually either by myself or with the lovable goof (aka Draven) that masquerades as mu duo partner.
Yeah, it was definitely a curve ball. And don't worry about it - you win some, you lose some.
Chønklord1 votesIf they're cool with it, then everyone wins. If not, you have to respect their decision because it wouldn't be fair to them to force them to play with such an unconventional pick.
No. It's not fair to the off-meta / one trick player to be pigeon-holed by "mob mentality" in every solo queue lobby.
There's always going to be disagreements on champion choices -- even within a season's meta. Hell, there are people that will grief/rage/troll/quit if they were to see someone pick Jhin bot lane, for example.
Riot has already previously stated that off-meta players have an unequivocal right to play whatever champion they choose in whatever role they fill, so long as they're playing to win and filling that role.
No other player has the right to dictate any one else's selection in lobby, group or otherwise. It's not "their decision", it's your decision.
NinjaGuy691 votesNo. It's not fair to the off-meta / one trick player to be pigeon-holed by "mob mentality" in every solo queue lobby.
And it's equally not fair for the rest of the team to have to deal with the choice of the "off-meta" (troll pick) player when they just want to play a regular game of League. You make it sound like players who adhere to a strict meta are somehow bullies who gang up on the snowflakes and ruin their experience by banning away their pick. In reality, they're just regular people who want to play a regular game of League without having to worry about that one douche who wants to be different. Some people are okay with playing with unconventional picks while others aren't and you have to respect that fact.
Riot has already previously stated that off-meta players have an unequivocal right to play whatever champion they choose in whatever role they fill, so long as they're playing to win and filling that role.
Even if this was stated by Riot in the past (which I doubt it was in the way you described it), that doesn't mean people are just going to go along with it. Riot's stances on certain policies (like meta vs off-meta picks) isn't the absolute deciding factor that everyone has to abide by.
No other player has the right to dictate any one else's selection in lobby, group or otherwise. It's not "their decision", it's your decision.
I never said that other players have a right to dictate the champions their teammates play in lobby. No one can force another person to play any champion in any role. I was speaking about their right to ban your pick intent, which they can certainly do if they don't want to play with a top Bard (in OP's case). There's nothing wrong with that.
Chønklord1 votesAnd it's equally not fair for the rest of the team to have to deal with the choice of the "off-meta" (troll pick) player when they just want to play a regular game of League.
What is "regular" to you, doesn't mean everything else is "irregular", bad, wrong etc.
Case in point: things that were meta in the previous season but may have fallen out of style.
If you're only going to adhere to whatever the "strict meta-game" flavor is of the patch/season, then you are sorely out of touch with what makes this game fun.
Also picking "off-meta" does not automatically equate to "troll pick" or "being a troll". Off-meta =/= Troll.
Some people are okay with playing with unconventional picks while others aren't and you have to respect that fact.
Or, you have to respect the fact that League is based around trying different things, having fun, and having player agency to choose how and what each individual plays in any given queue.
The only "snowflakes" around here my friend, are you and others like you, who bitch and moan and grieve whenever someone does something "different" than what your short-sighted, narrow-minded view of League is capable of.
NinjaGuy691 votesOr, you have to respect the fact that League is based around trying different things, having fun, and having player agency to choose how and what each individual plays in any given queue.
That's doesn't negate the fact that some people are okay with playing with unconventional picks on their team and others aren't. That's a fact. Everyone has their own view about how they want to play the game.
The only "snowflakes" around here my friend, are you and others like you, who bitch and moan and grieve whenever someone does something "different" than what your short-sighted, narrow-minded view of League is capable of.
I don't have a problem with other people trying out new item builds or champions in other roles or anything like that and I've stated it here on the boards before.
Lastly, the true snowflakes are actually the entitled Chads like you who like to make assumptions about others just because they play the game a different way than you do. You make it seem as if the people who adhere to the meta are somehow missing out on what these enlightened, genius meta breakers are trying. Well guess what? They don't care. You want to break the meta? Go for it. But you can't realistically expect everyone to be okay with how you want to play the game. You can't force others to want to enjoy the game the way you do. And you can't get upset when other people don't agree with you. That's not how it works.
Chønklord1 votesTell me; did you build that strawman yourself or someone have it made for you?
I never said anything about off-meta being "better", or off-meta players being "enlightened";
I said that you can't force other players to adhere to your meta or anyone else's meta.
You don't have to "be ok" with off-meta -- and by you I mean anyone in general -- you just have to accept that anyone can play whatever they want in their role.
NinjaGuy691 votesI never said anything about off-meta being "better" or off-meta players being "enlightened";
Well you sure as hell made a whole lot of implications to make it sound that way (and I'm pretty sure it's what you meant too).
You don't have to "be ok" with off-meta -- and by you I mean anyone in general -- you just have to accept that anyone can play whatever they want in their role.
Wait, what? I said that already, so what's your point?...
Dolyna3 votesOn the one hand, it was very rude to ban your pick.
On the other hand, you may have a problem with crippling overspecialization.
Chønklord1 votesIt's not anyone else's decision on what other people want to play, except that person's.
Jo0o2 votes"I'm a Bard top otp, feel free to check my match history and win rate"
Saying that every game would go a long way towards having people understand that you aren't trolling.
Sejeo1 votesNobody gives a shit about win rate. Last season I was a yasuo one trick with 80% winrate and in over half of my ranked games yasuo would be banned from my team due to them not wanting yasuo on their team.
Shahamut2 voteslawl. 80% win rate eh? over how many games? 6? Can't be too many more as often as he gets hate banned :P
(I LOVE Yasuo, its so rediculous how people will ban him so much. I also love playing against him, as he is really easy to counter)
Beas7ie1 votesLaned against Yasuo as Garen 2 nights ago and went like 4/0 within the first 10 minutes.
Oh you want to dash around me like a maniac? I'll show you what happens when you try that while I'm spinning.
Whoops you've been silenced. No dashing around and special attacks for you, but here's my spin.
Oh here comes the giant sword look out!
YOU HAVE SLAIN AN ENEMY!
Shahamut1 votesLol. It's really sad how easy it is to beat Yasuo. He is such a fun champion.
Sejeo1 votesOh sorry for late reply but anyway it was over the course of 70-80 games I had an 75-80% win rate.
Kei1432 votespeople don't give a shit about win rates when yasuo and riven are involved.
BigBellBrute2 votesDon't be a one trick then. Due to autofill, you should be capable of playing more than one champ and more than one role.
CrazFight 1 votesIf I get autofilled Support: I play bard Jungle: I play bard Mid: I play bard You don't get autofilled adc but if i had to it would be bard.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesThere's nothing wrong with being a one-trick. Many players find one champion much more appealing to play than others and focus on that one champion, and learning all of it's matchups and intricacies. I've been a one-trick for a few seasons now, and for the most part, I don't have any trouble with it.
But I will agree with you, in that it is always advisable to be able to play at least one other champion for each role, just in case your champ is banned/picked by the other team, or you get filled into a role that you physically cannot put your one-trick viably into.
I've actually seen Bards in every role, and I've seen it work in every role. It may take some convincing of his team, but if there's communication during champ select, then it can be worked out. There's always the option to link your op.gg stats, to prove that you are capable of playing that champ at that role. That's if you want to let them see before you pick. I suppose you can also simply not hover and just select the champion.
ananke1 votesno offense but you should probably learn something else too
ScriptBrand1 votesdont hover
MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votesthere is only one reason to hover off-meta before ban phase. he Wants them to ban it so he can troll them and pretend to have a good excuse.
IcyPepper1 votesOr don't be angry/toxic at all.
I mean, really, people are allowed to be bad at something. Someone has to lose. Jesus.
Chønklord1 votesUnfortunately there are a vast majority of entitled, spoiled children that all believe "I should always win, but it's THEIR fault!" when confronted by something their narrow-minded and short-sighted brains are incapable of processing when it comes to off-meta.
