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People who don't /ff 15 or 20 in clearly lost games are part of the problem

Waaaarrrrgggghhh·1/29/2020, 8:36:50 PM·3 votes·2,609 views

No, I am not one of those idiots that say 'ff15' when we lose first blood, or if I lose lane and our jungler isnt in a position to help. And I don't lose my temper when the score is for example 0-5, as 5 kills is a small dfference and kills aren't everything.

But something that is important to realise is that not all games can be won, nor should it be expected. When your bot lane has gone 0-15 by minute 10, your mid laner keeps disconnecting and reconnecting and spends more time in the fountain the and your bot lane decides to give up, its over.

Yes, it is technically winnable, but in the vast majority of people's opinion, it is not worth the effort. It's better to just end it and try again in the next game. And yet, these people that lost their lane hard and blame the jungler, flame hard and refuse to follow pings/advice also refuse to ff, effectively holding the other 4 players hostage in a game that is finished. It has to drag on for another 10-15 minutes. I think this is the main cause of people losing their temper; being forced to stick around in a shit game with people with a shit attitude. At best, we will farm on autopilot, alt tabbing. At worst, they will afk or start trolling as well.

This fallacy that we sign up to some sort of pseudo agreement to stay until the end of the game is a lie. I don't know who the hell came up with this idea but it promotes bad behaviour and loss of people's temper. I am older and wiser now and understand it is just a game at the end of the day, so I don't get angry. I just ignore my team and play on auto pilot.

Personally, I think the ff15 threshold needs to be 4/1 to surrender as well as ff20.

23 Comments

General Esdeath 1/29/2020, 10:08:10 PM4 votes

Nah bro we scale

  • 0/7 Renekton speaking to his 2/4 Draven adc while they fight under nexus turrets at 17 minutes
rujitra1/29/2020, 8:43:58 PM4 votes

Fun fact - this isn't a problem because a game isn't "clearly lost" until the nexus falls. There is no fallacy - the rules are clear and you agree to not leave games or give up simply because you dislike the way the game is turning out.

You also seem to be quite hypocritical - your title complains about "clearly" over games, but you then state that something being "technically winnable" isn't enough - well if it's "technically winnable" it is not, by definition, "clearly over".

MagicFlyingLlama1/29/2020, 9:12:01 PM3 votes

Interesting match history.

Lucian Waifu1/29/2020, 11:18:31 PM3 votes

People who are bad enough to not learn how to climb back from being behind are part of the problem.....

GatekeeperTDS1/29/2020, 8:44:18 PM2 votes

Impatient players who think games are over at 15 minutes are a bigger part of the problem. You are signing up for matches that average 30-40 minutes. Find a new game if you can't handle it. It's not fair for everyone else to have to sacrifice their time and rank because you want to give up in 15 minutes.

Yin Yang Taoist1/29/2020, 9:46:31 PM2 votes

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Yes, it is technically winnable, but in the vast majority of people's opinion, it is not worth the effort.

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Yes, it is technically winnable, but in the vast majority of people's opinion, it is not worth the effort. It's better to just end it and try again in the next game. And yet, these people that lost their lane hard and blame the jungler, flame hard and refuse to follow pings/advice also refuse to ff, effectively holding the other 4 players hostage in a game that is finished. It has to drag on for another 10-15 minutes. I think this is the main cause of people losing their temper; being forced to stick around in a shit game with people with a shit attitude. At best, we will farm on autopilot, alt tabbing. At worst, they will afk or start trolling as well.

You have to look at it from their POV as well, OP. It takes guts to not give up a game that is obviously lost. Whether its because of a lack of gaming knowledge or because they are pinning their hopes on that 0.01%. I admire as well as dislike them for it, obviously not to the point where I retaliate. When my teammates refuse to give up, I still play and let them see the end result. Then, move on.

I've had a ton of games like these where people refuse to give up. Lost Inhibs, lost Baron, Elder is on the table and there are no wards. Either the support is not giving a dime or the team won't help the support ward. Either way, its a team game. Some amount of patience towards teammates should be acceptable! As frustratingly obvious a loss may be to you, give them the peace of mind to play it out. 10-15 minutes waste of time but its on you and all those players not to lose your tempers. Remember, a little bit of kindness goes a long way! Not everyone understands everything and perhaps, they're still learning - the lost match may not be as obvious to them as its to you. [galio-happy]

JustA kleo1/30/2020, 3:45:52 AM2 votes

always a mixed bag.

honestly when we have an afk and 2 lanes are feeding like crazy, to me its not worth playing like its the worlds finals, just to win 1 game that actually gives me nothing and exhausts me more than its worth it.

there are also games where my teammates are so toxic that even muting wont help because they just hardcore troll i dont wanna put in the effort for those games AND i dont want to carry them. thsoe are games i just want to ff.

after all im playing games to have a good time. not to feel bad and have to endure with it. thats alrdy my daily life .

TrulyBland1/29/2020, 8:46:05 PM2 votes

Yes, it is technically winnable, but in the vast majority of people's opinion, it is not worth the effort.

If that were really true, the logical consequences would be that such games are only not surrendered in a tiny minority of the cases, no? Especially regarding 20 minute surrenders, considering you'd need two people to object.

This fallacy that we sign up to some sort of pseudo agreement to stay until the end of the game is a lie.

No, it's not. Evidenced by the fact that surrendering is decided by a vote with supermajority and the fact that afking and leaving is punished.

StrikeCare2/28/2020, 10:46:44 PM1 votes

People who think it takes guts or courage to play a game from behind clearly have never learned the definition of the word "game"! It is a game and it is meaningless, unless you are being paid to play and then it's not really a game anyhow. If you are badly losing, then unless you enjoy losing, it is time to play another game. News flash - most people do not enjoy losing and fun is what "games" are all about.

The only time I can see it being worth tryharding is maybe in ranked.

Inkling Commando1/29/2020, 10:29:34 PM1 votes

listen buddy. if you want a to be a cry baby cause 2 of teammates fed and you haven't taken any objectives (towers, drags, etc) then you do you but you cannot expect the rest of the team to follow the same attitude. you chose to play the game so you have to commit. and spamming ff will not help at all. your best bet is to worry about yourself and report after (not like reporting will do anything to begin with). riot will never adjust the surrender ratio to your liking.

Tele II1/29/2020, 11:52:22 PM1 votes

Its a problem for some people, and then their emotional problems become a problem for everyone else lol. So i guess in a way youre right, it is part of a problem. But the grander problem is just the fact that children are appropriately immature (nothing wrong with that, theyre just kids), and even some adults have emotional problems that manifest in game, and we have to put up with it.

12341231241234121/29/2020, 8:42:44 PM1 votes

I agree but youre not alone others have the roght to say no you are not all mighty