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MufasaInTheHooD·11/25/2019, 12:57:39 AM·1 votes·2,181 views

100 percent the ban system and report system are broken. I got banned for having a single bad game. And to top it off i guess if you put in a support ticket for review you get a bot with the ticket put on solved. they then throw in a survey to improve the system if you want an actual review from a person(or in other words actual support) but from what I've experienced and heard from so many people it seems like a copy and paste that provides less service than the bot. The system is so automated, you get banned and that's how it is, that's what they tell you. They put on the boards they cant help you over turn a ban because why? I'm calling it an unfair ban for a reason because i wasn't toxic or i didn't feed. I don't get asked why my ban is wrong instead i get told how things are, told to go back to my room and sit on my race car bed thinking about what i didn't do. Get banned you deserve it and that's how it is? 1 game can get you banned if you have 4 trolls and call them out without being toxic. 1 bad score line can get you banned because every death is now called inting when its not. After not playing this game for a couple of years then coming back and being banned for a total of 28 days after never being banned is incredible. I was wondering why streamers were calling every death an int even if it was a good 1 for 1 trade that resulted in a won team fight. I figured it out really fast. You can report someone for inting, greifing, and being negative find them the next game and do it again. 6 reports in two games from 1 person doesn't only skew the data its a completely broken system when run by bots that resulted in the Int meme. When i got my ban it first said for intentionally feeding, i logged out then logged back in to get a completely different message. The worst part about being banned isn't even the fact that i can't play its the fact that I'm banned for feeding while climbing the ladder.

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Hotarµ11/25/2019, 1:12:43 AM14 votes

100 percent the ban system and report system are broken. I got banned for having a single bad game.

You didn't get banned for just having a "single bad game", though.

You **intentionally fed. ** 0/15/0 with almost one death a minute, basically 0 damage to champions, and a full movespeed build.

The rules don't say "You can intentionally feed if other people are doing it or you're with friends."

The rules say "Do not intentionally feed under any circumstances." That's why you were met with a bot's response and why a support agent would (most likely) have given you a copy/paste response. That match is a clear violation of the rules regardless of whatever your reasoning was.

KFCeytron11/25/2019, 1:02:03 AM3 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

In a perfect and just world, everyone who deserved a punishment would get one. In reality, it is possible for some punishable behavior to go unpunished. First, punishments in LoL can only occur after a valid report. Second, punishments take into account the consistency and severity of the punished player's misbehavior: if two players in a match break the same rule in the same way, one who consistently misbehaves in this way might get a punishment while the other who almost never does so gets away without a punishment (this time). At the end of the day, though, all this does is explain how differences in player behavior over many games can produce different results for equivalent behavior within a single game. It doesn't excuse poor behavior. One person having a rare bad day doesn't give a consistently toxic player the right to join in. The only behavior that matters in your punishment is your own... and a good thing, too: how would you feel if you behaved yourself but got punished anyway just because all your teammates were spectacularly friendly, communicative, and positive?

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

We can not discuss other players’ actions with you but you can always report them at end of game and mute them when in game. There is no excuse for raging back or responding to people trying to get you to tilt. You are the only one responsible for your actions and your words which is what we are trying to address with these bans.

Your opinion of the rules is of zero relevance. When a cop stops you for going 40 in a 25 zone, you can claim "I think the limit should be 45 here" all you want. You're still getting a ticket. If a librarian asks you to keep your voice down while you use the facilities, shouting that libraries should be loud will simply get you escorted out. If you go to a friend's house who insists that you remove your shoes while you're in their home, "that's a stupid rule and I do what I want" will lose you a friend. If you are using someone else's services, facilities, equipment, etc., you abide by their rules or you deal with the consequences. If you think the rules should change, that is a completely different conversation (and I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for your chances at convincing Riot to change their rules to allow behavior like yours).

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the matches that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several matches. You might see three matches, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

MufasaInTheHooD11/25/2019, 1:00:19 AM1 votes

ban someone from this game and tell me why.

Total damage to champions 3.5k champ 1 2.3k champ 2 6.5k champ 3 4.9k champ 4 2.5k champ 5 Physical Damage to Champions 1.1k 0.5k 0.4k 3.9k 0.4k Magic Damage to Champions 2.1k 1.8k 6.1k 0.0k 1.9k True Damage to Champions 0.3k 0.0k 0.0k 0.9k 0.1k Total Damage Dealt 10.3k 28.3k 24.2k 34.1k 40.8k Physical Damage Dealt 3.7k 6.7k 5.8k 33.1k 8.9k Magic Damage Dealt 3.1k 14.6k 18.3k 0.0k 23.6k True Damage Dealt 3.5k 7.0k 0.0k 0.9k 8.3k

Total Damage to Objectives 0.0k 0.4k 0.0k 2.0k 0.0k Total Damage to Turrets 0.0k 0.4k 0.0k 1.7k 0.0k Damage Healed 0.7k 0.1k 3.3k 0.2k 0.7k Damage Taken 4.7k 14.1k 12.6k 16.0k 11.3k Physical Damage Taken 2.9k 7.4k 7.3k 5.8k 2.8k Magic Damage Taken 1.7k 6.5k 5.1k 10.1k 8.4k True Damage Taken 0.1k 0.1k 0.2k 0.1k 0.1k

Tele II11/26/2019, 4:08:07 AM1 votes

Inting isnt about stats. Its about Riot percieving you as dying intentionally. It can only be once, it can be 5 times, you can die 15 times but only once was intentional. Not all your deaths need to be intentional, and you dont even need more than one death to int. Sorry if you really werent inting, but its hard to take your word for it when Riot is notorious for giving leniency to inting. They play it real safe, trying not to ban innocent players for just getting outplayed. So its really difficult for me to take a random anonymous stranger's word for it, when Riot is known for letting "inting" be passed off as just a bad game.