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Lakega··1 votes·388 views

So I had an interesting experience in a normal game. It made me think about the player behavior in League of Legends.. I also saw this post, just prior to writing this one, that literally goes hand in hand, if not exactly what I'm about to talk about. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/b8fYIH9M-do-people-even-know-what-toxic-means-anymore

First onto my short story...

I usually play a few ranked every once in awhile, but decided to try a yasuo game mid. I haven't played him in ages. I was going up against an annie, which is a little tough to counter, since she can by pass your wall with her ult. I was also being camped by a good lee sin, who was very good at ward hopping from nowhere, after I went in. Needless to say I did give a handful of kills over, but not without taking them myself as well.

Throughout the whole 28 minute game, I still had the least deaths, and twice the kills on my team. Sitting at 7/11/4 Next highest kills was mordekaiser at 4 with 7 deaths.

It wasn't until the last 3-5 minutes of the game I started going hardcore, and trying to get in fights, but my team just wasn't having it with a 1/10 Master Yi, and a 2/9 Jinx....

Now, normally this is the type of snowball no hope game that would make people rage, but I wasn't. I was doing my best to keep a good natured light hearted look on it. I only came in to practice yasuo anyway, not to win. It wasn't ranked.

3rd death of mine, I said "lol That's why I hate lee, so much utility" or something like that, in which the MF on the enemy team goes "Says the Yasuo".

Ok, I get this comment, it's meant to bait a flame war. I've seen "Says <Insert champion>" for just about every champ in the game.. It's meant to bait you to get mad.

I respond with "I'm just trying to have a nice conversation and you're trying to be toxic to me, why?"

In which MF replies "lol says the toxic yasuo"

In which the conversation moved to her blaming me for insulting...

Now this goes into the post I linked above.. Do people even know what toxic, or anything means? This MF clearly thought I was insulting the Lee Sin player by saying I don't like the champion..

I've seen this mentality alot, and I don't get it.. YOU are not the champ.. You're using a champ, and by me saying I hate a champ, or whatever.. doesn't mean I'm insulting YOU. YOU have nothing to do with the champion or its creation...

Fast forward to the end of the game, and me skipping alot more badgering, insults, and trolling by the MF, with the usual "Mad cuz bad" insult.

In the end game the worst thing I said all game is "My Team XD", because quite honestly the scores were pretty hilariously bad. But I didn't say, all I said was "My Team XD".

In which while I was still having a good time, trying to have a 1 sided conversation respectfully with the enemy who was insistant on insulting me every other response, the Lee and MF decide that I need a 15 minute lecture on my "emotions". Telling me to not get so upset, etc.

Which is news to me, I wasn't even aware I was upset!

Clearly me assuring them I was indeed not upset, and found the whole thing rather amusing in actuality, they of course insisted in return, that I am actually mad, and it's most likely because I suck, and fed all game.

In which case I pointed out, that my whole team fed every lane, (I barely left mid mind you, and all my kills were ganking other lanes in which I walked away with kills and got my team their kills, so I think I did pretty good). I also had the least deaths for 98% of the game. BUt they insisted, no, I certainly lost the game because I fed mid, being camped by a lee, and I shouldn't be so toxic either...

SO again I point at the post I linked.. Do people even realize how toxic THEY are? Do they realize they are the problem? I want to pull some posts from the thread I linked above, that really go hand in hand with my experiences, and this experience above and comment on them... because they really are 100% dead on, and reflect my experiences to a T.

> AboveTheLimit (NA) > well i honestly agree, anything in league community that offend other players, and they will report you for toxicity. which in general anything you type people can easily get offend by. they do not know how to use the mute button. doesn't mean i support toxicity, however 99% of the league community consider typing is toxic. unless you kiss there're asses when they go 0-10.

Really seems to mirror my experiences, and in today's game, which isn't an oddity.. That MF clearly got triggered by my comment, so much so she thought she had to white knight for Lee in his defense for me daring to say I didn't like the players champion.... This isn't an oddity either. People get triggered by the smallest things.

> Jayceonmyface (NA) > At this point, I don't think they even know what being anything is, someone dies twice by 5 minutes because his midlane is camped isn't a feeder, he just needs a gank. > > Shamefully, people won't admit to it.

Again, another thing I noticed. What happend to respect? Why has Riot allowed their community to become like this?

> ThwartinMaPlans (NA > literally anything negative you say toward someone is 'toxic" "you salty" league community is a bunch of teenagers enabled by a bunch of moderators. The league suggestion is to basically never speak because if you do. You're "toxic" if you dont...Youre still toxic for not communicating. Mass pinging missing laner? toxic. not ganking for a 0- w/e losing top laner. toxic. Banning the "support teemo" pick? toxic. Asking support to get ss? toxic. Asking mid to stop feeding. toxic. wondering wtf we still even bother playing league? prob toxic.*

Again, reflects the conversation with Lee and MF in my example above, and just about every chat experience I've had in league. Anything you say, no matter how you say someone will get overly defensive, and butthurt, insult you for being toxic, or salty, and most likely several more people will jump on you.

There's a problem with this.... 9/10 times that person IS NOT being toxic, upset? maybe, but not toxic, usually not even truly insulting. (It's amazing what people consider insulting these days), and they all think they have the right to be an endless A hole to them after the game and give each other a pat on the back.

These are the true problematic people in the community.

> MagikarpIsBoss (NA) > - about 11 hours ago > > Most people in league are just legit so stupid. If you tell them anything about what they should be doing, they get super defensive and then start flaming you because you tried to help. These type of people piss me off so much. If i'm trying to help you, why do you gotta be a dick about it? It's these types of players that truly piss me off since they think they know everything 100% of the time. You can't reason with a person who does this, but so far pretty much most of the league community is like this.

Pretty much... I've even tried giving someone who killed me a few times some pointers on how to do it even better.... I'll give you 1 guess how they responded... yup, in a pissy attitude... "Stfu I just wrecked you" as he walks away with 5hp.. Sorry for trying to help you do even better bro!

> Krigjer (NA) > Was playing botlane. Had a Zed vs... an Akali mid I think. She roamed bot. A lot. > > I said, word for word, 'Can you either hardpush mid or follow Akali when she roams? She's wrecking us' > > And he called me bossy and rude and muted me right there. 'Constructive criticism' being considered toxic is so true.

Yup, I've been chat banned for 5 days because apparently constructive criticism, and giving suggestions is being "toxic".

"Hey Ashe you really shouldn't push that far, go to the jungle or mid lane"

Ashe: "STFU scrub, don't tell me how to play".

Me: "NO really, you're pushed too far, you've already been killed twice."

Lee: "Quit being toxic to ashe"

Lee: "Report Akali for Toxic, wont' stop insulting ashe"

Ashe: "Yea been toxic all game"

Enemy Kog'Maw: "Mad cuz Bad, lawls, she sucks"

really? SO they get to insult me, but I can't give suggestions? <--- Got chat banned after that game....

> 23SUper23 (NA) > > You know, i got perma banned for defending myself. I was getting bullied and flamed, when i tried to defend myself, they all reported me, because they were friends. I wrote a ticket and pretty much riot gave me the middle finger....I am starting to guess that they dont even fucking read the ticket. Thanks riot....

I had a similar situation as well. Something along the lines of dieing 2-3 times after being camped, asking the jungler to assist, and he says "no cuz you're bad". Ok, whatever.

Die again 2 more times (not back to back, but I did die 2 more times), and I mention in chat "FFS this is getting rediculous" in which case they respond with "Mad cuz bad, get good scrub".

I responded with. "I'm getting camped, and asked for my jungler to help, he wouldn't. Not much I can do when you can tower dive me."

In which case, they defended my jungler, and flamed me more, then the jungler chimed in, and they gangbang insulted me for the rest of the game with all types of personal attacks on me and my skill level, after which they all congratulated themselves on trashing yet another "toxic" player, honored each other, and all reported me...

Really? This isn't rare either...

IN-fact none of this is rare...

So you really have to wonder, who are the truly toxic players? Toxic in the real sense? Or just the "problematic" players? The more I play, the more I'm realizing it's usually not the players who are actually getting reported en masse. (Not saying all of them aren't problems), but many times 1 person will get a little upset, or even rightfully get mad at a teammate for something, like constantly going down mid lane just to feed and not learning from it in a ranked game. To me that's an appropriate, and reasonable reason to be upset. You're human after all, and you're spending your time trying to climb in ranked, It's only reasonable you expect your teammates to do their best, and do their best to work with you as well. Despite you telling them they shouldn't do that, learn from your mistakes, they respond with "omg toxic, how dare yout ell me how to play while I feed more kills down mid, and btw it's all your fault" while either your team or the enemy team gangs up on you, and reports you for being the "Toxic" one.

Worse yet is when you have a negative KDA yourself, doesn't mean your suggestion was wrong, or any less meaningful, but they'll use it against you as an even better reason why its completely ok for them to trash you and your person even more and pat each other on the back while reporting you.

To me, it's those people are the problem.

7 Comments

The Skull King2 votes

I read most of it, one of your problems is this which the MF on the enemy team goes "Says the Yasuo.

The enemy team isn't going to help you win or add to anything already going on. I personally turned off all chat and never looked back.

Anyways, you must be new to the PB because there are lots of players who have no idea how toxic they are, even in defending themselves and end up permabanned. The only thing YOU can control is what YOU say and it doesn't matter what they're saying and doing. You say the same things as them and you're going to get busted for it. There is no right time to be toxic and it sucks to have to deal with it. That's why I usually play ARAM because it's not nearly as bad as SR. I mean there is a mute button for a reason. If someone is playing not so smart on your team and you say hey man you're a little to far in lane, back up and let them push and I'll gank and they lose their mind and say you're toxic. You already know what they're trying to do, just mute them.

This game makes people believe they have to carry the team, they're the best player on the team no matter what. So if top loses top lane and blames the jungler for not ganking. It's tops job to win it, if you look like an easy kill trying to push up and be aggro, expect the enemy jungler. You have people who blame losses on everyone else and they do no wrong. If someone starts to blame you for them losing lane, just mute them. You gain nothing even if your intentions are good, it doesn't matter to them. You'll get the rare cases where someone decides to allow themselves to be carried when they're down or to change tactics and play smart, but it's not always the case.

Squidwards House1 votes

tl:dr?

Sarutobi1 votes

To be fair it does seem like you were trying to egg them on. Remember this is all through text. There is no emotion like if you were talking to someone. In most cases people take what other people say the wrong way, or in the worse case of what they were saying. Especially with how this community is for certain champions (Zed, Yasuo, Riven for example) It isn't surprising to me that people took what you said the wrong way. The last thing people want to hear in their game is when someone complains about a certain champion while playing what they believe is an "OP" or "broken champion".

It also doesnt help that you are keeping up with this type of conversation. If it didnt make you upset you would have just dropped it (as i assume they would as well) but seeing how this went on not only throughout the whole game, but also after the match makes it seem like to them you were upset because you would never drop it. thats just how some people are.

Could we honestly say if this whole conversation was toxic? No, we cannot just take your word for it. Im sure more was said, as well as how it was said. Honestly Riot definition of Toxicity is very vague. It basically comes down to Dont be a jerk, and to some you might be coming off as a jerk. But like i said we would have to see everyone's chat. But even with that you could have been the bigger person and just ended the conversation right then and there because despite you starting the whole thing, it really had nothing to do with the game itself. How was saying that you hated Lee Sin going to help you and your team win the game? If it doesnt then it was pointless to say and not needed.

The last thing i want to write about was this part in your post:

"Now, normally this is the type of snowball no hope game that would make people rage, but I wasn't. I was doing my best to keep a good natured light hearted look on it. I only came in to practice yasuo anyway, not to win. It wasn't ranked."

I understand what you mean, but others might take it the wrong way (as what im trying to say throughout this whole reply) because of Riot's definition of Trolling, this could come off as such. You aren't playing to win and that despite what ever Game mode you are playing Riot stance is that you try your best to try and win or else you are trolling. I get you want to practice and the best way to do that in a competitive environment is to play PVP. It shouldnt matter if its normals or not you should always try to win. If not and you want to test the champion out, you have Vs Ai, or Custom.

Lakega1 votes

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To be fair it does seem like you were trying to egg them on. Remember this is all through text. There is no emotion like if you were talking to someone. In most cases people take what other people say the wrong way, or in the worse case of what they were saying. Especially with how this community is for certain champions (Zed, Yasuo, Riven for example) It isn't surprising to me that people took what you said the wrong way. The last thing people want to hear in their game is when someone complains about a certain champion while playing what they believe is an "OP" or "broken champion".

It also doesnt help that you are keeping up with this type of conversation. If it didnt make you upset you would have just dropped it (as i assume they would as well) but seeing how this went on not only throughout the whole game, but also after the match makes it seem like to them you were upset because you would never drop it. thats just how some people are.

Could we honestly say if this whole conversation was toxic? No, we cannot just take your word for it. Im sure more was said, as well as how it was said. Honestly Riot definition of Toxicity is very vague. It basically comes down to Dont be a jerk, and to some you might be coming off as a jerk. But like i said we would have to see everyone's chat. But even with that you could have been the bigger person and just ended the conversation right then and there because despite you starting the whole thing, it really had nothing to do with the game itself. How was saying that you hated Lee Sin going to help you and your team win the game? If it doesnt then it was pointless to say and not needed.

The last thing i want to write about was this part in your post:

"Now, normally this is the type of snowball no hope game that would make people rage, but I wasn't. I was doing my best to keep a good natured light hearted look on it. I only came in to practice yasuo anyway, not to win. It wasn't ranked."

I understand what you mean, but others might take it the wrong way (as what im trying to say throughout this whole reply) because of Riot's definition of Trolling, this could come off as such. You aren't playing to win and that despite what ever Game mode you are playing Riot stance is that you try your best to try and win or else you are trolling. I get you want to practice and the best way to do that in a competitive environment is to play PVP. It shouldnt matter if its normals or not you should always try to win. If not and you want to test the champion out, you have Vs Ai, or Custom.

Just wanted to chime in and say....

There is a difference between practicing a champion, and "not trying and testing". Testing a champion, etc, practicing anim cancelations, etc. that's what AI are for.

Every time you play a game, you're practicing. If you ask Riot "Why do pro's play norms?" They'll tell you. "Because they are practicing and getting ready for their big game".

That's what I'm doing.. practicing. I wasn't out right trying to do anything stupid. I was trying to win, doing my best to win, while practicing a champion, for that big game. It may not be the LCS, but it's ranked. And to me that's just as important.

Playing norms to practice a champion is 100% acceptable. So long as you're trying your best, and not throwing, or doing stupid things that jeapordize your teams chances.

Sarutobi1 votes

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Just wanted to chime in and say....

There is a difference between practicing a champion, and "not trying and testing". Testing a champion, etc, practicing anim cancelations, etc. that's what AI are for.

Every time you play a game, you're practicing. If you ask Riot "Why do pro's play norms?" They'll tell you. "Because they are practicing and getting ready for their big game".

That's what I'm doing.. practicing. I wasn't out right trying to do anything stupid. I was trying to win, doing my best to win, while practicing a champion, for that big game. It may not be the LCS, but it's ranked. And to me that's just as important.

Playing norms to practice a champion is 100% acceptable. So long as you're trying your best, and not throwing, or doing stupid things that jeapordize your teams chances.

See but if that was the case why did you write that you werent trying to win? See its all in the way you write what you are trying to say. Like i said i know what were you trying to say, but its coming off as something different!

Lakega1 votes

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See but if that was the case why did you write that you werent trying to win? See its all in the way you write what you are trying to say. Like i said i know what were you trying to say, but its coming off as something different!

I see what you mean.

I didn't write what I meant.

I meant simply, I didn't care if we won or not, but that doesn't mean I wasn't trying to win.

See, it's a catch 22. Double edged sword. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

If I say "I came in to win, and was trying my hardest, but every lane fed harder than I did" then said what I said in chat. It now looks like I was upset, and I'll be blamed for that.

If I say, "well I didn't care about winning, but I was trying" then I'll be blamed for not caring enough, or trying enough, or both, and that'd why I did bad.

Either way I'm screwed in what I say.

But alas, that is the league community. You can never do right... unless you're a troll, or emotionless, or overly fake and pretending EVERYTHING is ok, and EVERYONE is an amazing star in the game....

But see that just brings me into another rant about the league community. The proverbial oxymoron of the whole thing. Because when someone DOES care enough, and see others are not caring enough, or not trying, or working as a team, or doing things that are obviously bad calls, or very risky for no reason, they get a little upset, and rightly so. but then they get flamed, trolled, and dog piled on by every white knight in the game, taking down the "big toxic meanie" if they dare point any of it out. Usually by that overly accepting player of anything that happens. You know the one. The ones who makes the same mistake over and over again, but don't care, they pat a player on the back who made an atrociously dumb call, and enforces that player to do it again thinking it was good. THey dog pile anyone who suggests anything remotely bad about any of their teammates and rallies everyone on your team, and the enemy if possible to attack that "big toxic player" who dared suggest the person they pointed at isn't better than faker himself and turn the entire game into a cess pool of attacks. They don't take the ranked serious enough, and turn a simple little irritation a player has with another and inflates it into an episode of Jerry Springer. Yet... They walk away in most cases with congratulations, and good jobs, while everyone around them gets reported wrongly.

Ironically it's those people who end up being more toxic than the people who were upset. Sometimes it's ok to be NOT accepting of a mistake, or issue. It's ok to be NOT accepting of people who are obviously not caring to work as a team. At least in ranked.

If people had that mentality, you'd see a huge change in teamwork. People would work together more, and the people who obviously don't care enough, or think "gee it's ok my mid fed 0/10, I'll keep telling them "good try" every time they tower dive" would learn that that type of thinking is accepting in Norms, but not Ranked.

I came from the gaming days before it became "Main stream", when if you went into a competetive "ranked" environment, you were expected to at least know the basics, and be a decent enough player, and mature enough player to work with your team, take criticisms, and be respectful, and do your best, and fix any mistakes you make quickly.

But now with today's society of degenerate millenials, who think you should be accepting of anything, and everything, no matter what. They think it's ok to go into ranked "cuz reasons", and choose a champ they've never played before, and think they have any excuse, or reason, or right to get upset, when someone tells them to not play the champ in ranked agian until they get some practice with it.

Because honestly, it's NOT ok. There are people like me who are trying our asses off, to climb in ranked, to get better, and do everything you can for a team, then you get these side shows who think this crap is ok, and completely side line your chances of winning a match, or making it ultimately more difficult than it should be.

So for people who get upset, call them out, and tell them to seriously stop doing what they're doing, it's not ok... Are perfectly in their right to do so in my book. It's that mentality, that type of person, and that "accepting of anything and everything" mentality, which is the root of the problem that's creating such a toxic environment to begin with.

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