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"Retalitory Report"

Glamorous Rammus·8/28/2019, 3:56:26 PM·2 votes·4,217 views

Basically, I'm tired of trolls abusing the reports. I don't typically report people because unlike most snowflakes I understand it's a game, and I like to sprinkle salt. There's good and bad cholesterol. I think a lot of people's frustrations with the game are well deserved, albeit poorly aimed. So when someone on the team gives up First Blood- the frustration is real because the game snowballs too quick and a lane with FB begins to powerhouse. Poorly aimed is flaming the person that died. If I give up FB I expect a little salt because the game is broken and I expect frustrations. Why report a person and ruin their gaming experience any further?

I'm guilty of throwing salt when I get stuck in a game like this. But I've noticed a serious trend- the person rallying for reports is throwing just as much salt, if not more. RULES ASIDE Just pretend for a second that it's up to us as players to set the precedent for how to behave in the game. It's really ironic that someone could be "toxic" and then at the same time try to pretend that other people should be punished for the same behavior. And it's self-defeating because as soon as I see the word "report" I remember who to report post-game. Like, I can let salt slide, but when a person wants to bring it to the next level and try attacing my account literally because they are still salty and want to milk it for everything it's worth.. then there's just an element of frustration that is left unchecked.

I would love to be able to have Team Speak in all my games because it really helps aleviate the frustration of communication. But it's not always possible.

What I think would help is if Riot started DISMISSING REPORTS SUBMITTED BY TROLLS. Someone saying things that are "moderately insulting" has already justified this sort of behavior for themselves.

It would be nice if Riot was like: "You want a report? Too bad look how you were acting. Fair game buddy." And throw the report out.

It would free up Riot from havnig to deal with the petty nonsense, It would deter people from trying to tilt allies in order to bait a report And it would save people from dealing with losing what they've worked for to achieve in the game

^All 3 of these issues can be tackled by simply rejecting "retalitory reports". And I really believe that once people are no longer able to use Riot as a shield for their toxicity, and when they are no longer able to use reports for self-serving toxicity, then the community will begin to heal and we can move on from all the nonsense.

49 Comments

The Highest Noon8/28/2019, 4:04:50 PM15 votes

There is no such thing as troll reports. You being reported has no affect whatsoever unless you were participating in punishable behavior, by which case you'll be punished. That's it.

rujitra8/28/2019, 4:06:54 PM8 votes

I don't typically report people because unlike most snowflakes I understand it's a game, and I like to sprinkle salt.

When your first argument is you insulting those you disagree with, it's clear that there's no valid discussion to be had here.

If I give up FB I expect a little salt because the game is broken and I expect frustrations. Why report a person and ruin their gaming experience any further?

Because they ruin the gaming experience for others by using chat to flame. The vast majority of players agree that flaming no matter who is doing it or who it is directed to makes the game less fun. Statistics show that flaming at all reduces the chance of winning the game.

It's really ironic that someone could be "toxic" and then at the same time try to pretend that other people should be punished for the same behavior.

It does not matter who is reporting a crime - the crime was still committed and someone was still wronged. It doesn't matter who was "worse".

I would love to be able to have Team Speak in all my games because it really helps aleviate the frustration of communication. But it's not always possible.

It's not possible because in every single online game that has open voice communications, the voice communications are used more for flaming/screaming/screeching at others than actual beneficial communication. Furthermore, League is less fast paced than many other online games - it's completely possible to type in League. If you're not able to have good communication over text, you won't be able to do so over voice either.

It would be nice if Riot was like: "You want a report? Too bad look how you were acting. Fair game buddy." And throw the report out.

And then the other players who did not be toxic would have their reports validated and you'd still be punished. Most games that players are reported in, they are reported by multiple players. You make it seem as if this issue is common - when in fact it is very rare that this happens where only one report is issued against someone in a game. The bottom line is that if you don't misbehave, you don't get punished.

It would deter people from trying to tilt allies in order to bait a report

They can't bait you if you don't misbehave.

GatekeeperTDS8/28/2019, 4:05:03 PM6 votes

What I think would help is if Riot started DISMISSING REPORTS SUBMITTED BY TROLLS.

If a report is invalid, it doesn't count against you no matter who submitted it. If you got punished, it was deserved.

Ninjas Flossing8/28/2019, 4:18:16 PM5 votes

the entire league of legends community could report a specific person. but if that person has not broken any rules they wont be punished. "troll reports" don't actually do anything. if you're worried about it then that probably means that you've done something you think the system might punish you for.

Subdue8/31/2019, 11:30:51 PM2 votes

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I'm guilty of throwing salt when I get stuck in a game like this. But I've noticed a serious trend- the person rallying for reports is throwing just as much salt, if not more.

Telephone Booth8/28/2019, 10:18:57 PM2 votes

Thats an idea that would involve wayyyy too much investigation on every individual report. Its just not a plausible solution in a game with hundreds of thousands of reports daily. Like, if we didnt have to consider cost, we could easily come up with a great system that is 100x better than what we have. Like Riot just hiring 100,000 employees to investigate reports all day. Even then, people would still get pissed when Riot decides that someone you accused of trolling, wasnt actually trolling, they just made a mistake.

Thats why the rules are just a blanket that covers everyone regardless of context. If you dont break any rules, you'll never get punished. If you do, and someone reports you, you will get punished. Its just simple. Its up to individuals to control themselves. If you lack understanding of the rules, and lack self control, thats on you.

EvilDustMan8/30/2019, 7:42:17 PM2 votes

"I did stuff that was punishable and got reported and punished."

Okay, and?

GayrensTari8/31/2019, 7:36:37 PM2 votes

Talking about absuing report, it's nasty when someone troll you and you get banned.

ModPeriscope8/28/2019, 5:10:33 PM2 votes

Just pretend for a second that it's up to us as players to set the precedent for how to behave in the game.

Players have control over what's reported and what's punished. The initial system was built on players' reports involving in-game behavior.

It would be nice if Riot was like: "You want a report? Too bad look how you were acting. Fair game buddy." And throw the report out.

So if 2 people were toxic and both of them reported one another, neither of them would be punished?

This system you've explained only adds report weight, which has not been a thing for some time.

I Like Teemo8/28/2019, 4:19:06 PM1 votes

lets just perm ban everyone, throw the filtering out the window and just yeet the player base to play something else

100% scorched earth

Subdue8/31/2019, 8:09:29 PM1 votes

You won't get what you're asking for, because it is illogical and contrary to the data. That said, It wouldn't really matter anyway. My chat is always clean, and I always report both sides of a flame war. I imagine most people do the same, and as such, you'd get penalized about as frequently anyway.

Also, have you noticed how most of the people here who disagree with you have kept their side of the conversation civil, while you seem completely unable to do the same? I'd be willing to bet even if the rule was that whoever "started it" would be penalized, you'd still be penalized quite often, as you seem unable to control yourself, even here in a low stress environment.

1wolfpack8/28/2019, 4:00:49 PM1 votes

Nobody looks at your reports or your games, its all done by a automated system. Accept that League has trolls, inters, toxic players and report them or dont. You will only get punished if u break the rules and thats on u.