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Unfair punishment towards victims of dishonorable behavior

waverider411·11/4/2019, 11:04:55 PM·14 votes·4,803 views

Hello, i have recently received a 10 game chat restriction (i will post the full chat log) which i feel has been unfairly given to me as a result of me standing up for the rules. i was playing a ranked game in which one of our teammates continued to troll our team from the start, giving us a hard time and telling us that they'd feed making it so the other team wins. i continued to tell this player that if they choose to intentionally feed i would report them. This player then ran it down several more times dying on purpose and flamed our team. i did not use profanity, racism, or pick on an innocent player. i clearly stated to a player that openly stated in chat that their intent was to throw the game for us that if they continue to negatively impact the game for myself and others that i will report them for doing so.

Pre-Game Chat [2019-10-20 16:15:03 PDT] waverider411: bot In-Game Chat [0:25] waverider411 (Morgana): invade? [1:42] waverider411 (Morgana): naw just be here when the game starts [1:47] waverider411 (Morgana): not 2 min in [4:34] [All] waverider411 (Morgana): how many heals did u get right there wtf [6:09] waverider411 (Morgana): u throw youre getting reported olaf [6:21] waverider411 (Morgana): u already said u can make it happen in chat [6:41] [All] waverider411 (Morgana): olaf in now inting [6:51] [All] waverider411 (Morgana): gotta love 3v3s.. [7:20] waverider411 (Morgana): u already said u can make it happen so the other team wins i have it in chat [7:44] waverider411 (Morgana): your inting [7:52] waverider411 (Morgana): enjoy the ban [8:05] waverider411 (Morgana): nope [8:11] waverider411 (Morgana): im tired of ppl like u inting tho [8:20] waverider411 (Morgana): then play for real [9:37] [All] waverider411 (Morgana): i have popped off on him at all this kid is a troll [9:59] waverider411 (Morgana): excuses [10:23] waverider411 (Morgana): no we arent.. [10:38] waverider411 (Morgana): yeah youre reported XD [11:10] waverider411 (Morgana): yes please continue give me more to report you for [11:34] waverider411 (Morgana): i have it.. and ur [11:53] waverider411 (Morgana): and ur chat screen shotted [12:14] waverider411 (Morgana): u sound like a child please stop [14:06] waverider411 (Morgana): i havent said anything about rumble [14:10] waverider411 (Morgana): he wants to end cause of you Post-Game Chat [2019-10-20 16:34:41 PDT] waverider411: 3v3s is so toxic

After the game had finished i received a chat restriction and penalties to my account dropping me from honor 5 to honor 1 with a lock preventing me from gaining honor or receiving rewards until it was removed. With it being the end of the season it is impossible for me to acquire honor level 2 in time for the end of the season meaning all the positive behavior ive displayed during the whole season has been thrown away, while someone who was actually toxic during the season is able to raise their honor level back up and acquire the end of season rewards due to them not having such time restraints. i filed an appeal to riot support asking why ive been punished for my chat and was told the following

''The thing is chat is in the game to help your team and to be a positive encouraging force, not to police others. We handle that part with the Instant Feedback System! If someone is breaking the rules, all you need to do is report them after the game!''

Riot support is telling its players that they're not allowed to stand up to dishonorable behavior even if its in a way that doesn't use profanity , racism, or harsh words. i feel that this instance is not being looked at fully and that i am just being pushed aside into the pile of report appeals. i have never received any form of negative punishment or feedback towards my account and ive played since season 2. Riot support is supposed to be their to help their players but right now i dont feel very supported. All i did was ask this player to follow the rules and stop negatively impacting the game for us or that ill have to report them for doing so. i have also received these comments within my ticket...

Sanguinedogma states the restrictions were issued due to the following but i disagree, ''After reviewing your account, I can see that this chat restriction was correctly placed for negative chat behavior. Specifically, for arguing with your teammates, calling them out on their performance, or for making a mistake, and contributing to an overall negative game atmosphere that impacted your fellow Summoners.''

For starters i didnt argue with that player i repeated myself that ill report them if they continue to openly feed which they said in chat they were going to make happen. Secondly, i wasnt calling someone out on their performance, i told them to stop inting because they said they were going to int then ran it down a few times. Third, i couldnt of called them out for making a mistake when it clearly isnt a mistake if theyre saying in chat that its their intent before they do it. Lastly, how can telling a player who is openly saying that theyre going to negatively impact the game for the whole team to stop negatively impacting the game for others? am i not allowed to defend myself or other players?

The Orphan also states that ''It's best to avoid telling other players you're reporting them or telling another player to "report X player" as it takes away from focusing on the game and other players start arguing about who should report who, what's 'reportable,' etc. We only need one report to take action on a player, so as long as you report them after the game you don't need to ask for more or threaten a player you're reporting them.''

I didnt tell anyone else to report this player i said i was going to if they continued to purposely ruin our teams experience. This is saying players arent allowed to state that theyre going to report another player which is wrong. How are you going to censor or punish someone for non-offensive speech, when im saying im going to report a player for truthful and intentional negative behavior which not only negatively impacted the game for myself but our fellow teammates loosing them LP in the process. Its not threatening another player if theyre at fault, i would understand the punishment if i was picking on a innocent player but in this instance that is not the case. i was openly enforcing the rules and im now being punished for it.

62 Comments

PresBushDid71111/4/2019, 11:17:17 PM16 votes

Why are you needed to "stand up for the rules"? Your job is to report behavior that violates the rules and let Riot handle it.

Almost the entirety of your chat log is negative and attacking a player. If you had said once that you felt the player was trolling/inting you probably would have been fine.

However, you spent the entire game and chat log threatening the player. Reports/the act of reporting isn't meant to be used as a weapon. Likewise, there was nothing to gain by what you did.

One of two scenarios, either

  1. Player is trolling, which means they want a reaction (which you gave). Also, in what situation have seen a legit troll stop because you said you were reporting them.

  2. The player isn't trolling and you have us spent the entire game harassing and threatening them.

It's only a 10 game, which is mild. It sucks that it's at the end of the season, but maybe don't spend an entire game annoying your team, and the other team, with negative comments throughout.

Tobykachu11/5/2019, 1:06:17 AM6 votes

Welcome to Riot games ladies and gentlemen, where Tyler1 can actively troll on stream playing tank Ahri adc and attack speed Ivern adc, verbally abuse his team and Riot rewards him by inviting him to co host certain official events and include him in the official 10 year anniversary video, but if you dare tell someone you're going to report him more than one time, you get hit with a chat restriction and locked honor for 2 months. :^)

p3tm4ster11/4/2019, 11:10:49 PM5 votes

I'm going to explain this to you as simply as it can be, you CANNOT defend yourself, you CANNOT call people out for inting, trolling, flaming, and you CANNOT say things to the effect of "you're banned". All of this is considered toxic behavior and will result in a punishment. Now you might consider this ridiculous, most of us do. That doesn't matter, it's an automated system now.

The only course of action you have is to mute the people who are trolls and toxic and move on. Don't engage, just mute and move on. And don't bother asking rito for help, they don't know the meaning of the word.

KFCeytron11/5/2019, 4:09:07 AM3 votes

Bro, you don't "stand up for the rules" by breaking them. Barely five minutes into the match and you start screaming about how you were going to report someone and announcing to everyone that that person is inting and telling them to enjoy the ban and you're reporting them and they sound like a child and on and on. That is not what the chat feature is for. Your chat restriction is meant to teach you how to trim this sort of unhelpful behavior by limiting your chat messages, with the idea being that you'll choose to use those limited messages on positive and useful communication.

Also, your reform card shows you an example of the behavior that got you punished so that you can see what kind of behavior you have to stop exhibiting if you want to maintain access to your account. It doesn't purport to show you every match for which you were reported.

Jahsuo Onfroy11/4/2019, 11:18:33 PM3 votes

Doesn't realize that trying to get someone banned (witch-hunting in all chat/team chat) is a punishable offense since it falls under the grounds of harassment

Silly Neeko11/4/2019, 11:53:35 PM2 votes

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CominTowardsYa11/6/2019, 12:57:18 PM2 votes

Wow. This is unacceptable. I would seriously fight this crap dude.