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14 Day Ban for Saying the N-Word (No chat restriction)

Poondar··4 votes·4,741 views

I got a 14 day ban for saying "Lucian was being a %%%%%%" in the post-game chat. It was automatic, as I was banned 1 minute after the game ended. To put this into context, this guy was flaming our team the whole game. I say one word, and I get a 14-day ban. Not even a chat restriction.

So my question to Riot is. What is so bad about calling a white kid the n-word? If "no context" is acceptable, why do they even let you say the word? Is it so you can shove your agenda down people's throats? Why cant you just censor the no-no words. And why is calling a white person a racial slur worse than flaming your team for 45 minutes?

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ModThe Djinn13 votes

What is so bad about calling a white kid the n-word?

Because it's a racial slur that derives the negative connotations it has in any context from the fact that it is used to insult and denigrate people solely based on the color of their skin, and implies that that skin color makes them worth of being insulted. There is no context in League where this is acceptable.

They let you say the word because if they censor it, people start finding other ways around that censor that are more difficult to detect but still have the same effect and the same meaning, but just aren't censored.

And why is calling a white person a racial slur worse than flaming your team for 45 minutes?

Both are bad. The first is just zero-tolerance because racist behavior is something that is commonly known to be unacceptable in most social situations, and isn't just something that can be attributed to being very angry. That said, severe flaming can also earn an immediate 14-day ban.

Poondar2 votes

I didn't display any racist behavior. I insulted my team mate, who only reported me because he knew I would get in trouble. Had I known that Riot had a childish ban policy that doesn't take context into account, I would've said something else.

ModThe Djinn12 votes

{quoted}I didn't display any racist behavior.

That is a racist insult. You may not be a racist person but when you used that word you were displaying racist behavior.

Poondar2 votes

Using a word in a non-racist context is not racist behavior. You may think it is, Riot may think it is, but that just says more about your mind than it does about anything else.

R107 Games6 votes

Things like hate speech, and encouraging suicide are an automatic 14 day ban based on the system, and it doesn't care about context.

Don't use hate speech or encourage suicide and you're good

ModThe Djinn11 votes

{quoted}Using a word in a non-racist context is not racist behavior. You may think it is, Riot may think it is, but that just says more about your mind than it does about anything else.

When used as an insult, there is no context where that word is not racist. There is no definition of that word that means anything other than the racial slur. Even if you're not using it against someone of that skin color, you are, effectively, saying that you consider having that skin color to be a negative thing to such an extent that you consider it an insult to suggest someone has that skin color.

Yatol3 votes

childish ban policy that doesn't take context into account

well you did call someone a racial slur, pretty hard to see any context where that would be appropriate

ThyDelutionist1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sWMaeQGr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-02T16:30:59.683+0000)

Because it's a racial slur that derives the negative connotations it has in any context from the fact that it is used to insult and denigrate people solely based on the color of their skin, and implies that that skin color makes them worth of being insulted. There is no context in League where this is acceptable.

They let you say the word because if they censor it, people start finding other ways around that censor that are more difficult to detect but still have the same effect and the same meaning, but just aren't censored.

Both are bad. The first is just zero-tolerance because racist behavior is something that is commonly known to be unacceptable in most social situations, and isn't just something that can be attributed to being very angry. That said, severe flaming can also earn an immediate 14-day ban.

he asked why it isnt worse he didnt ask if both are bad... Pls for once answer the question exactly as u should

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}he asked why it isnt worse he didnt ask if both are bad... Pls for once answer the question exactly as u should

I mean, I'm a volunteer moderation, so I'm not sure I have an obligation to answer the question. But sure!

One is an aggressive attack on a single individual or a team of individuals, which definitely isn't good.

The other is an aggressive attack on a single individual or a team of individuals that, at the same time, denigrates an entire set of individuals by equating an uncontrollable part of their identity as people with a negative trait and reminds them of a painful part of history when they were considered less than human due to nothing but the color of their skin.

The former is bad, but the latter is far worse.

ThyDelutionist1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sWMaeQGr,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-03-02T20:06:09.292+0000)

I mean, I'm a volunteer moderation, so I'm not sure I have an obligation to answer the question. But sure!

One is an aggressive attack on a single individual or a team of individuals, which definitely isn't good.

The other is an aggressive attack on a single individual or a team of individuals that, at the same time, denigrates an entire set of individuals by equating an uncontrollable part of their identity as people with a negative trait and reminds them of a painful part of history when they were considered less than human due to nothing but the color of their skin.

The former is bad, but the latter is far worse.

aT last yes.... so the only thing rito HAS to do is ban at least BOTH of them

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}aT last yes.... so the only thing rito HAS to do is ban at least BOTH of them

Which they do. Hate speech and sufficiently bad flaming both earn a 14-day ban. More minor flaming just can earn smaller punishments.

Jo0o7 votes

I'm gonna have to stop you right here. This discussion is going to inevitably be loaded with semantic quibbling from you where you try to re-contextualize what you did, and it's not going to fool anybody. You're not going to be given any leniency, you're not going to change the system, you're not going to have a productive conversation. All that'll happen is you'll make a few over-used under-considered points, folks will downvote you, and then everybody will get bored with the thread and you'll finish your two-week vacation. Or maybe you'll get pushy with it and get the thread locked. Either way, no good comes from these sorts of threads.

If you really and honestly feel the need to learn what is going on here, you'll gain that knowledge through introspection. Is what you said and how you said it appropriate at your job or school? Would your parents think it was appropriate? If you witnessed a public figure speaking that way, how would that be received by you? If you don't think these are relevant to your behavior in a video game, you need to examine why YOU think there's a difference. Does another player being on the opposite side of a screen change how you should treat them?

Poondar2 votes

I agree that our culture has some serious problems.

This explains it well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JTcd_8Kym8

You never explained why using a word in a non-racist context makes it racist.

Jo0o6 votes

Your use of it as an insult is racially-charged. But you knew that already.

Mr Elessar7 votes

You didn't have an n word pass.

Poondar1 votes

how much RP does that cost?

Yasuo VS Riven1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Elessar,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sWMaeQGr,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-02T16:57:43.456+0000)

You didn't have an n word pass.

LMAO MY MAN

Prø Sense4 votes

I finally figured it out everyone, OP is making this troll post to spew his conservative propaganda videos where the majority of viewers are 60 year old racist conservatives.

Any reasonable person would know that the use of an obvious racist word in ANY context is never appropriate and most certainly not in a video game.

I guarantee you offending people by using this word in League of Legends will get you banned quick, use it to offend people in public will get you in an unpleasant confrontation where you could be hurt.

Upvote to delete this shit post off your feed.

[zombie-brand-clap]

foreignpotato1 votes

especially when two black people use it in public cuz that is insanely racist in my opinion cuz in ANY context its racist

PH454 votes

I got a 14 day ban for saying "Lucian was being a %%%%%%"

Yes, you said a racial slur which is a zero-tolerance word, meaning absolutely no tolerance for it.

To put this into context, this guy was flaming our team the whole game.

That doesn't justify what you said.

I say one word, and I get a 14-day ban. Not even a chat restriction.

Yes, cause you used harsh and racist language. Homophobic, racial slurs and hate speech all jump the punishment to a 14-day ban on first offence to let you know these words are not okey to use.

And why is calling a white person a racial slur worse than flaming your team for 45 minutes?

2 wrongs don't make it right. Counterflaming is a really bad way to handle this kind of situation, just mute the flamer, and report them afterwards. Don't give the flamer the satisfaction of getting under your skin.

ThyDelutionist1 votes

{quoted}

Yes, you said a racial slur which is a zero-tolerance word, meaning absolutely no tolerance for it.

That doesn't justify what you said.

Yes, cause you used harsh and racist language. Homophobic, racial slurs and hate speech all jump the punishment to a 14-day ban on first offence to let you know these words are not okey to use.

2 wrongs don't make it right. Counterflaming is a really bad way to handle this kind of situation, just mute the flamer, and report them afterwards. Don't give the flamer the satisfaction of getting under your skin.

but right and wrong dont exist in the first place .. wtf man

Xidphel3 votes

Shoot someone in the face in front of a cop and see if that argument holds.

ThyDelutionist1 votes

{quoted}

Shoot someone in the face in front of a cop and see if that argument holds.

that doesnt prove that right and wrong exist... nothing does cause they dont exist... why humans need to believe in righteousness?

zPity3 votes

call him a different word, like a nerd and you won't get a ban at all

Arngrim313 votes

It doesn't matter what color they are, you don't use racial slurs and expect riot to ignore it. Punishment deserved.

Original Sin3 votes

Good grief.

You're a racist and racism isn't tolerable and is against ToS. That's why you got banned. Using racial slurs doesn't make you cool.

Xidphel2 votes

Ok. Where's the problem?

Poondar2 votes

I am going to leave you all with some wisdom. Perhaps Riot games may educate itself with this video. I am not too optimistic but as long as one person learns I will be happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JTcd_8Kym8

Prø Sense3 votes

I'm going to leave you with some propaganda*

ı Sona ı2 votes

I mean how do you know they are white, and why do you think using words classified as racist hate speech on a game filled with children is appropriate. [sg-lux-2]

Can you just not? Will you learn from this please? Just mute flamers and report later.

Poondar1 votes

Basically I want an argument as to why no-no words are more harmful than actual "toxic" behavior.

GatekeeperTDS6 votes

Oh really? You want to have a discussion as to why dropping racist shit in a video game or ANY situation is a bad idea and gets punished more harshly?

Why don't you go think about it on your own.

Poondar1 votes

What is racist about calling a white man the n-word? Think about that.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Do you know the Lucien irl? If you don't, how do you know he is white?

Koiyaki2 votes

{quoted}

What is racist about calling a white man the n-word? Think about that.

Uh...u know what that word means, u know its an insult and a bad one at that. No matter the race of the recipient, its still an aggressive insult.

Heres my question, why not just use something less inately racist

And an even more minir question. U know they are white how?

Telephone Booth1 votes

{quoted}

Basically I want an argument as to why no-no words are more harmful than actual "toxic" behavior.

Company loses players due to toxicity (yes, no no words). Company creates rules against toxicity to help prevent the loss of players. The end.

Boltonator1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

OP this should be a no-brainer yet somehow you screwed it up. Racial slurs bypass the normal punishments and immediately put you on thin ice.

Kelg1 votes

theres no n-word pass in league

Netorare1 votes

People are getting offended by everything on the internet nowdays, that's the problem. Fucking snowflakes ruining the internet...

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