Why banning for verbal abusiveness in a game should not be allowed.

awdaf·Jun 8, 2016·2 votes·1,300 views

I understand the basic reasons for being reportable from using foul language against a teammate, however, why should I be banned for it? I ask this question because of the feature called "mute". If someone starts talking trash to another teammate, shouldn't the logical and mature thing to do be mute that person and let them talk all the trash they want to a wall? I can understand abuse if someone creates multiple accounts in attempts to keep reaching the same person and throwing foul language in them, but when you have the ability to mute that person for letting out steam because he wants to criticize you in a foul way, and that person gets banned, doesn't make sense in my mind.

Edit: YAYYYYYY, DOWNVOTES AS EXPECTED

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Deep Terror NamiJun 8, 201613 votes

If a player is forced to mute you, you've likely already done damage. Muting is to prevent further problems from you only in the current match. Reporting is to prevent you from being a problem in the future to more people.

Account bans take a while to get to. Chat restrictions are the first tiers of penalties, and most people that get them reform and never reach the "unfair" ban for verbal abuse. It's when a player refuses to change and continues to be a problem that they get moved up to a ban, though extremely toxic behavior may result in skipping chat restrictions altogether.

Also, "foul language" typically isn't the issue. It's directing it at other players in a negative manner that is.

shouldn't the logical and mature thing

Verbally abusing people is the opposite of mature, so I wouldn't accuse others of not wanting to deal with it of being immature. If you are unsure how you are expected to behave in this community, I suggest reading the following articles;

The Summoner's Code Behavior Worthy of a Champion

Votable JesterJun 8, 20168 votes

Muting teammates reduces communication potential for the rest of the game. Yes, it may be the right decision anyways, but it's best if everyone just has the self control to not badmouth someone in-game. Cuss all you want irl, but try constructive criticism in-game.

awdafJun 8, 20161 votes

They implemented this great thing called smart pings a few patches ago to communicate what you are going to do.

TulareJun 8, 20161 votes

Oh, man. Not that it really has any bearing on this argument but I have a story that's too good not to share. I actually had a teammate the other day demand that I not ping him and threatened to do the opposite of what I was pinging him to do if I did. And this was not for repeated or nuisance pings. Just things like "Danger" when a laner disappeared while he was invading the enemy jungle or when I planned to fall back after a failed chase.

Savage DeviJun 8, 20164 votes

You're not going to tell your teammates that they need Thornmails via smart pings. Argument invalid.

awdafJun 8, 20161 votes

If I need to tell someone what to build in Plat elo, then they shouldn't be playing the game at all

AraMoOseJun 8, 20165 votes

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If I need to tell someone what to build in Plat elo, then they shouldn't be playing the game at all

Which is kind of the point... If the person isn't gonna do it if you tell them in a friendly manner, why would you expect them to do it after you've raged at them? You are putting your account at risk by violating very clearly stated rules, and you are doing so with the knowledge that it won't change anything in the game you're trying to win.

That seems kind of dumb.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRJun 8, 20167 votes

Rito has said time and again that a mute button doesn't justify you being an asshole. Like it or not, those are the rules, and you can abide by them or you can leave. If you want to criticize someone, say it out loud instead of typing it. that way you can still let off steam and not get banned. It's what I do, and it's worked fine for me in the 4 years I've been playing this game.

awdafJun 8, 20161 votes

If I am getting harassing phone calls from a company daily, what do i do? Call the police and ask them to investigate and act accordingly? No, that would be a big waste of time for the police and I, so, the easy thing to do is to block the calls number on my end of the phone company and there, no one is hurt. They keep calling, but I never see it

TwigglesJun 8, 20168 votes

There is a significant difference between calling the police and distracting them with a telemarketer, and using an automated report system to deal with problem League players.

You can waste the police force's time. You cannot waste the Instant Feedback System's time. Your analogy needs work.

The mute button is not a license to be an asshole to other players. If someone needs to be muted due to toxicity, then they've already made themselves a problem.

nerak23Jun 8, 20167 votes

I ask this question because of the feature called "mute". If someone starts talking trash to another teammate, shouldn't the logical and mature thing to do be mute that person and let them talk all the trash they want to a wall?

The Mature thing the Logical thing to do is follow the few simple rules.

The mute button is not there so others can abuse their teammates, it is there so players can stop reading trash talk before the get mad enough to engage in the same!

redniwediSJun 8, 20167 votes

The most argument proof reason is because you signed an agreement that says Riot can ban your account for whatever reason they see fit. They also set some behavioral guidelines for you to follow.

You don't follow their rules you get banned. It's really as simple as that.

I'm not really sure "verbal abuse" and "logical and mature" are phrases that should go along with one another. Most people grow out of the need to call others names as they get older.

archerno1Jun 8, 20166 votes

Mute exists so you wouldnt have to deal with that person in that game Ban exists so noone would have to deal with that person ever.

Swiftstrike4Jun 8, 20166 votes

The logic and mature thing is to simply not verbally abuse people. At the minimum, you should treat people on the internet how you would treat another human being in person. But anonymity alters individual behavior significantly.

awdafJun 8, 20161 votes

There is a difference between verbally abusing someone like saying "you fat fuc*, suck my dic* you fuc**ing idiot" and saying "wow why the fuc* didn't you do this instead of this shi*, so dumb"

Swiftstrike4Jun 8, 20163 votes

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There is a difference between verbally abusing someone like saying "you fat fuc*, suck my dic* you fuc**ing idiot" and saying "wow why the fuc* didn't you do this instead of this shi*, so dumb"

How is that different? In one instance you are insulting someone perhaps unprovoked, but in the other scenario it appears that because they make an in game mistake you feel that justifies or immediately prompts you to insult them?

That is pretty fucked up. Stay banned.

awdafJun 8, 20162 votes

Have you ever seen the movie Whiplash? Its a really good movie, one of the main characters talks about how one of the greatest musicians only became great, because he's music teacher threw a metal symbol at his head and cursed at him, instead of telling him well, you tried your best, thats all that matters

EvilDustManJun 8, 20163 votes

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Have you ever seen the movie Whiplash? Its a really good movie, one of the main characters talks about how one of the greatest musicians only became great, because he's music teacher threw a metal symbol at his head and cursed at him, instead of telling him well, you tried your best, thats all that matters

You aren't a symbol of authority. You are some random jackoff on the Internet.

Swiftstrike4Jun 8, 20163 votes

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Have you ever seen the movie Whiplash? Its a really good movie, one of the main characters talks about how one of the greatest musicians only became great, because he's music teacher threw a metal symbol at his head and cursed at him, instead of telling him well, you tried your best, thats all that matters

I just want to verify that the philosophy of a fictional character from a movie guides your behavior for an online video game?? Not your actual upbringing from your environment, parents, friends, or teachers. It is a character in Whiplash that directs your treatment of people?

How did you treat people prior to seeing that movie? That is how you should treat people in league of legends.

MegaManYYZJun 8, 20161 votes

did you actually see the movie whiplash? the instructor that did said things, did this to many other students that caused harm to them mentally and he was punished for that...

awdafJun 9, 20161 votes

Because people didn't realize what he was doing, its not about the punishment, its the better result

MegaManYYZJun 9, 20163 votes

but caused so much harm to other students. everyone is different, just because someone reacts well to negative reinforcement doesn't mean EVERYONE reacts well to negative reinforcement...

HexaDecimelJun 9, 20162 votes

You have to imagine that if the story was real that kid would have been pretty screwed up as well. He was basically giving up everything, friends, family, relationships. Sure maybe he was a good drummer but at what cost.

EvilDustManJun 8, 20164 votes

The straight poop is this. Riot doesn't want you cussing people out trying to coach them. We don't want you cussing us out trying to be our coach.

You have two choices. Accept the fact and clean up your act, or continue to get banned.

If you don't like it, too bad.

If you don't agree, too bad.

TahyanaJun 8, 20163 votes

The point is you can help someone in game without cussing at them. It is not sportsman-like conduct to cuss are verbally harass someone. This can make a person play worse. Can some people handle it? Maybe, but there are those who play games to relax from a stressful day or those who use gaming as an escape from the situation they are in for while, and verbally abusing them makes it worse.

AdaloreJun 8, 20162 votes

The mature reaction reaction is mute TO abusive players, but I ALSO want to remove them from the game over all so I can play with people who are not abusive.

If this is a one off bullshit event, whatever, the system accounts for "Bad days", but habitual abusers can rightly go get thrown out the exit.

DispelleJun 8, 20162 votes

Also, if we're bringing real-world legal consequences for immaturity into question, I'd like to direct your attention to such things as restraining orders, convictions for harassment, verbal assault, stalking, etc.