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Anyone else harrassed for making a GOOD build?

Badgeblitz··3 votes·3,021 views

I'm not talking about those experimental, 1 time builds you have no experience with. I mean you spend as many matches as necessary OUTSIDE OF RANKED to make it work, even down to starting items. You change your gameplay style with that champ. You carry your weight, and then some of your teammates. Even that one guy always noobing a champ. You when matches. You get level 3 mastery and above...

... AND THEN you run into a narcissistic "I know everything about the game" who just happens to main your champ, who goes "wtf? what is that build?" Me: "A custom one" (just about what I said) Him: "He's not a magic type, he's jgl and physical" (has no idea how effective my items are, AND is dying too much to tell me how to main my champ) -I main ww Me: I main ww, shut it. (Lvl 5 mastery) It's DESIGNED to not be the "I know how to counter that build" , that YOU use. (my gameplay was near-solid until THE WHOLE TEAM started dying.) Another teammate: Caitlyn: Yep, ww has the worst build (has over twice as many deaths than kills, and more deaths than me for that matter.

Or something along these lines? Anyway, our entire team was losing because of a FED Ashe, and one of our team was using Twitch in "dangerous ways", as in it-would-be-inting-if-he-missed-2-kills dangerous. His build was legit. He died more than me, and they IGNORED THAT to harass me; 3 of them. I jgl'd with ww properly, I got the herald, I backed them up... but they were just adhesive and dropped it on me.

I spent so much time developing a COUNTER-PROOF build, that they didn't even know what to tell me to remove. It was MADE for when someone couldn't get "blade of the ruined king", or "Black cleaver", or "Titanic hydra" because of misfortune. That's how stupid it was. They couldn't call out a single thing I did wrong, because I wasn't. They just decided to harass me because they didn't want to admit that they were ALSO the reason we were losing. I reported everyone BUT Twitch that game. Does anyone else experience this nonsense?

Riot doesn't help by posting the BASIC "This'll work" builds online for everyone to build counters to. I had to use this build because I know everyone would counter ww, and I've SLAYNE other WW's with it. Sue me for being original.

24 Comments

R107 Games3 votes

In this case, don't take flame as a negative, take it as a positive. If your teammates are so unhappy with your build to the point of flaming you, then perhaps you should listen and build more optimally. If you were building correctly then your teammates wouldn't be so upset.

But of course if you still want to take flame negatively you can ignore or mute them

TrulyBland2 votes

If you were building correctly then your teammates wouldn't be so upset.

Following the same logic: If OP's teammates were right to flame, OP wouldn't be so upset.

Being upset and being right are two completely different things.

Telephone Booth2 votes

I meeean.. im no expert, but your build should change every game. You should be building for the circumstance. Countering what the enemy has. But again, I'm just a silver scrub so Ill just leave it at that. Ive never been harassed about my builds as I don't experiment much. I do know that people look for anything to blame a loss on so thats probably the main issue. Just people being childish.

Edit: looking at your match history, I don't like your build, but I also dont know all that much about WW so I cant really criticize it lol. Do you sell your jungle item most of the time? Is that just a late game thing? Just wondering.

Badgeblitz1 votes

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I meeean.. im no expert, but your build should change every game. You should be building for the circumstance. Countering what the enemy has. But again, I'm just a silver scrub so Ill just leave it at that. Ive never been harassed about my builds as I don't experiment much. I do know that people look for anything to blame a loss on so thats probably the main issue. Just people being childish.

Edit: looking at your match history, I don't like your build, but I also dont know all that much about WW so I cant really criticize it lol. Do you sell your jungle item most of the time? Is that just a late game thing? Just wondering.

It's a late game thing. I change it because the jgl'ing sowrd is only good on monsters. I then upgrade it to the vampiric scepter, which lets me heal against minions. It helps me hold a lane in the later part of the game.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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It's a late game thing. I change it because the jgl'ing sowrd is only good on monsters. I then upgrade it to the vampiric scepter, which lets me heal against minions. It helps me hold a lane in the later part of the game.

Ahhh I see... my friend recently pointed out to me how the jungling items are basically weaker versions of other items. So i completely understand that.

GeminiRune1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sH86JVgs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T23:09:25.095+0000)

I meeean.. im no expert, but your build should change every game. You should be building for the circumstance. Countering what the enemy has. But again, I'm just a silver scrub so Ill just leave it at that.

Silver or not, every player should come into every game with subtle flexibility to itemization in my opinion. A key thing I picked up in ARAM is doing just that. Case in point, a 5 burst AP team with no forward sieging into waveclear and a marksman threat. I'd be one of the first to either build a gunblade, manamune, or bring Demolition.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. No game's any perfect. I can still remember my Jungle Garen experimenting and the number of times I flexed my build x.x

Telephone Booth1 votes

{quoted}

Silver or not, every player should come into every game with subtle flexibility to itemization in my opinion. A key thing I picked up in ARAM is doing just that. Case in point, a 5 burst AP team with no forward sieging into waveclear and a marksman threat. I'd be one of the first to either build a gunblade, manamune, or bring Demolition.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. No game's any perfect. I can still remember my Jungle Garen experimenting and the number of times I flexed my build x.x

Agreed!

TrulyBland2 votes

There was a time when a significant amount of players was completely convinced that spellvamp didn't work for physical damage. And back then gunblade was pretty much worth it even without having absolutely any use for the AP, making it a really good choice on a lot of AD casters.

So, in short: Yes.

Selegun1 votes

You are not alone. I like to build items like Frozen Heart and Abyssal Mask on Morde and can put money down that at least every other game someone will lose their shit because he doesn't have mana usage. Its just something else to mute them over so you can focus on your own game.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Well, to start. As long as you're not flaming or inting, you'll never get banned. Just ignore their flames.

On the other hand. based on your match history, and I mean nothing bad with this. You're obviously newer to the game? Their is reasons why core builds are as they are. There are many different ways to play some champions but just shoving items on a champion, WW in this case isn't always the best.

It's cool to see you trying all sorts of builds, but last game you didn't even build a jungle item. You bought the Machete then sold it back at 11 min (Your 1st back). This has awful side effects, such as not getting full XP off your camps, while also being out on the Rift for 9mins without backing isn't the best for a jungler, you want to upgrade your items jungle item/get the side item and boots. Boots allow you to move from camp to camp or for ganks faster but the upgrade to your jg item gives you more xp/damage to clear jungle camps faster thus faster xp and more gank chances.

Back to the builds themselves. There are many ways to build champs like WW, depending on your playstyle and the comps in the game, but some builds outside of "for fun" games are just to sub optimal.

You seem to really like the item item 3101 ...building multipal of this item is pretty redundant, you'd be better off fully upgrading into Tri/Nashors (You seem to like AS DPS builds so Nashors with Witts would prolly be a fun build for you to try)

WW is a fun champ because he ultimately does have a lot of funny cheesy builds, but most of them are just that, fun and cheesy. You'll learn though as you continue to climb up the MMR later players are going to expect you to know how to not only play your champion but how to build them for the current game, and you should want to know how to optimally play and build your champion. It makes the game fun when you're dominating.

Badgeblitz1 votes

{quoted}

Well, to start. As long as you're not flaming or inting, you'll never get banned. Just ignore their flames.

On the other hand. based on your match history, and I mean nothing bad with this. You're obviously newer to the game? Their is reasons why core builds are as they are. There are many different ways to play some champions but just shoving items on a champion, WW in this case isn't always the best.

It's cool to see you trying all sorts of builds, but last game you didn't even build a jungle item. You bought the Machete then sold it back at 11 min (Your 1st back). This has awful side effects, such as not getting full XP off your camps, while also being out on the Rift for 9mins without backing isn't the best for a jungler, you want to upgrade your items jungle item/get the side item and boots. Boots allow you to move from camp to camp or for ganks faster but the upgrade to your jg item gives you more xp/damage to clear jungle camps faster thus faster xp and more gank chances.

Back to the builds themselves. There are many ways to build champs like WW, depending on your playstyle and the comps in the game, but some builds outside of "for fun" games are just to sub optimal.

You seem to really like the item item 3101 ...building multipal of this item is pretty redundant, you'd be better off fully upgrading into Tri/Nashors (You seem to like AS DPS builds so Nashors with Witts would prolly be a fun build for you to try)

WW is a fun champ because he ultimately does have a lot of funny cheesy builds, but most of them are just that, fun and cheesy. You'll learn though as you continue to climb up the MMR later players are going to expect you to know how to not only play your champion but how to build them for the current game, and you should want to know how to optimally play and build your champion. It makes the game fun when you're dominating.

huh, thx for pointing that it.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Not a problem, I wouldn't ever sell your jungle item until the literal endgame. The jungle items are so cost efficient. Enjoy messing around with fun builds though.

Badgeblitz1 votes

{quoted}

Well, to start. As long as you're not flaming or inting, you'll never get banned. Just ignore their flames.

On the other hand. based on your match history, and I mean nothing bad with this. You're obviously newer to the game? Their is reasons why core builds are as they are. There are many different ways to play some champions but just shoving items on a champion, WW in this case isn't always the best.

It's cool to see you trying all sorts of builds, but last game you didn't even build a jungle item. You bought the Machete then sold it back at 11 min (Your 1st back). This has awful side effects, such as not getting full XP off your camps, while also being out on the Rift for 9mins without backing isn't the best for a jungler, you want to upgrade your items jungle item/get the side item and boots. Boots allow you to move from camp to camp or for ganks faster but the upgrade to your jg item gives you more xp/damage to clear jungle camps faster thus faster xp and more gank chances.

Back to the builds themselves. There are many ways to build champs like WW, depending on your playstyle and the comps in the game, but some builds outside of "for fun" games are just to sub optimal.

You seem to really like the item item 3101 ...building multipal of this item is pretty redundant, you'd be better off fully upgrading into Tri/Nashors (You seem to like AS DPS builds so Nashors with Witts would prolly be a fun build for you to try)

WW is a fun champ because he ultimately does have a lot of funny cheesy builds, but most of them are just that, fun and cheesy. You'll learn though as you continue to climb up the MMR later players are going to expect you to know how to not only play your champion but how to build them for the current game, and you should want to know how to optimally play and build your champion. It makes the game fun when you're dominating.

The thing is, WW has a bad moveset when it comes to crowd control. Mrs. fortune, Kayne, Ashe, Heimerdinger, Garen (to an extent) and other champs can target numerous champs at once and get an edge, but I have to selectively focus on one target as ww. No long ranged attacks that don't endanger ww to getting shut down, and having such a slow speed doesn't help. This means that in the latter part of the game I WILL die if I try ulting or pushing. I can only stun and even then, half of my HP would dissapear because they'd pile attacks and stuns on me. To avoid this, as well as to deal with superminions, I sell the jgl'ing item and switch to the vampiric scepter, which heals me against EVERYTHING, including the minions (more problematic at end game). I upgrade it to the blade of the ruined king to ensure that I'm not leaving any faults in my build, but that never fixes that I can't survive or take out more than 1 champ at a time because it endangers me. Especially against Nasus or Garen, and all I can do is distract by pushing other lanes, putting my team at a disadvantage in mid. THAT's why I have so many deaths, and my build was made to work against the awkward position riot put ww in.

I spent up to this point trying several different builds and this is the one I developed. I think I'll switch to the black cleaver or blood thirster if this doesn't work out. Unless riot gives him a long ranged howl, or some non physical attack, he's not all that much of the mixed champion riot labelled him as.

Kei1431 votes

If you want AoE on WW, try a tiamat.

People normally buy that as a first buy without upgrading the jg item, and it significantly speeds up his clear. Some even upgrade it to a titanic hydra, though you better go ask some WW mains on when that buy is an optimal buy.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

WW is more meant to be a early/mid game skrimishing Jungler. Most WWs start Tiamat and build Titantic into defensive offense items, into Tank (with tank boots or Swifties/Mobies). I feel like WWs main job is to be everywhere thx to his passive to get his lanes ahead/stable. And into the Mid/Late game he transition into more of a Juggernaut/Tank who uses his ult to get priority engages or picks.

But then again I've seen many versions of WW played. My friend loved to play the old school full AP Burst WW, when DFG was still a thing, and I've seen a lot of good AP DPS Brusier WWS. I've also seen some good full Tank WWs who play for the team.

Selling your jungle item effects so much of your game, I wouldn't do it until your trading it out for your 6th item in those rare games in which you make it that far.

Also doesn't his Autos heal him?

Idk though, in my 6k+ games I've rarely played either iteration of him.

Dorans Pants1 votes

doesn´t matter if it´s good or not. The problem is that it´s different.

Caitlyn FTW1 votes

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Badgeblitz1 votes

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I once built this item 3155 on Akali because I was against Ahri and my jungler flamed and told me don't build ad. Lmfao, I was planning on building AP anyway and after I get few items I'd sell my item 3155 but because he flamed, I said fuck it. We are going full AD

lol

Kaisha1 votes

The point of league is simply to flame people and be as toxic as possible.

Badgeblitz1 votes

{quoted}

The point of league is simply to flame people and be as toxic as possible.

lol

AlienPrimate1 votes

I have noticed drastically less harassment about my build on Taric recently. It seemed like I used to have my tear rush spam pinged in about half of my games but almost nobody does that anymore. This could be since they introduced the mastery view in loading screen when they see how much I play him and have just stopped questioning what I do on him now.

Also, I just played against an AP Warwick mid. His damage late game was insane. His Q + Lichbane did 1500 damage to me.

Slim Gragas1 votes

Theres a reason there are most built items on champions, because high elo players experiment and realize what the best synergies are with a certain champion's strengths and weaknesses. You only put yourself and your team at a disadvantage EVEN if you win when you could of done better. Its not reportable, but people who build literally anything they want just cause they think it works better often just put themselves down as I said.

Also, theres a core build on majority of champions, but that doesn't mean you should build exactly that. It depends on the enemy's team composition and sometimes your own.

Phmusic1 votes

Nowadays players are more concerned about their builds, or teammate's builds, then with their knowledge of the game itself. Fair to say builds are important aspects of the game, but if you play really well, then the build doesn't really matter. You have to read the game, and know what to do and when to do it. If you build tanky, play as a tank. If you build burst, don't play like a tank. GG ez

TimX24968B1 votes

as long as you're still trying to win, aren't griefing, and aren't intentionally feeding, building (practically) any item on any champion is allowed

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