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Intentional Feeding/Losing Games, Philosophy

Layent·5/19/2016, 11:34:25 PM·2 votes·555 views

Greetings Summoners,

I have some philosophical questions about toxic behavior and I would like some real responses!

The question has to do with the perception of intentionally losing games, where can we draw the line, and what is the law(code of conduct) on this matter?

How do we define intentionally losing games?

Is it playing non-meta? Playing while inhibiting yourself via substance or ps4 controllers? Split pushing forever?

These are interesting questions because I believe they challenge the integrity of the players commitment to winning a game.

Is a player trying 100% to win, or are they compromising intention to win for fun (or for spite)? Is it unfair to punish someone for intentionally losing, how can anyone know? It's their own opinion and perspective that is the truth to the question.

My concern is that the truth is that there is no way of knowing what someones intentions are, so how can we judge their intentions if they do not admit them? Should we change the report category of Intentionally feeding to simply "feeding"? I don't think this would be the right solution but assuming one knows another's intentions is also toxic behavior.

Entertain the scenario, a player goes 0/10/0 in lane, and overall preforms quite poorly, the team is under the belief that this player intentionally behaved in a way that would have led to this outcome. This causes for a toxic environment if the player had best intentions.

Now the player in question might have good intentions (to win!), but they might also have bad ones(feed to make everyone lose, or purposefully drop MMR). I think if a player wants to hide their intentions to purposefully lose, it becomes impossible to discern.

So how can we know which is it? Likely the player will get reported either way, but that's not my point. How can people then judge his case? Did he intentionally preform poorly, or did he simply preform poorly? Is the category of Intentional Losing a fair category?

Interesting philosophy stuff here

What are your guy's thoughts?

1 Comments

SmokedAlmonds5/19/2016, 11:58:45 PM1 votes

"I can't define it but I know it when I see it"

Really definitively determine if someone is trolling/intentional feeding is extremely difficult. This is why it often goes underpunished. They will always have plausible deniability on their side.

Right now the standard is basically "that is obviously not trying to win" with maybe a little "if you are so unengaged that your actions are indistinguishable from someone trying to lose".

It is a tough issue for everyone involved. Because even the 0/10/0 guy that is technically trying is still messing up. I don't even understand how people get to that point. After like 2-3 deaths, especially to the same thing you should be significantly shifting your focus to stopping the bleeding. But there isn't really much to be done about those people, especially since it is entirely possible(though rare) to just get full on steamrolled where nothing but staying in the base would help you survive, but you lose at that point anyway.