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Please Stand Up For Victims of Bullying/Toxicity/Douchebags

Ownhous·10/28/2016, 7:46:02 AM·4 votes·1,162 views

I have a question to ask.

**Why don't team members stand up for other players that are obviously the victim, or are the party that is correct? **

Instead, they watch one or two players gang up on another player. That victim, even if they may have said something back, wants to report the two who are bullying them. The victim tells his/her team to report the two, because, obviously, the teammates have observed what is going on. Once in a while, the teammates agree to report. Yet during other occasions, they would rather not get involved. Why is it like that? Haven't people heard about standing up for bullying? The teammates may think "they are just arguing," "they are all baddies," "I don't want to deal with this." The victim tries to get the other team to report the two. The two act innocent and start making things up about what the victim was saying. The end result: Either the victim gets reported or nothing is done and the two get off free with more games and players to bully. Teammates should analyze the situation and see if players are using inappropriate language or if someone truly is at fault. There is a reason reporting exists. I know that not every situation should be reported nor should be classified as a case of bullying, but it seems that many times, teammates do not stand up for the victim. You don't need to report. But you can help to defend the victim so he/she does not seem so alone against bullies. Or if the victim is wrong, maybe you can help them to see why instead of badgering them with guilt, blame, and shame.

I know this sounds like a rant. I know there are those who might say:_ "Deal with it kid."_ or _"It's just a game." _ or maybe "Stop whining." I guess trying to get attention to bullying is something that would seem childish ... huh?

23 Comments

AraMoOse10/28/2016, 8:54:24 AM4 votes

Because a fire will run itself out if you don't keep giving it more fuel.

Because what you mean by "standing up for the victims" is actually something like "bully the bullies back".

Because the most effective way to deal with morons online who rage at people is to report them and move on, not to rage back at them.

Because 3/4 of the time, the perceived victim is actually the aggressor using their perceived victim hood as justification to harass people.

XJ9lol10/28/2016, 8:11:20 AM3 votes

Why don't team members stand up for other players that are obviously the victim, or are the party that is correct?

If they're actually an innocent victim they usually do stick up for them. However I refuse to hold anything but annoyance for this scrub ass ADC I got matched with three games in a row and tanked my rating because he insisted on playing Draven when he already was 1-8 w/l with him.

For people who seem to always get bullied, there's an old saying of: "If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check under your shoe." If people constantly flame you for being bad in games, you might be a terrible player. I'm an asshole in games, I accept it. I don't give blues, I Hillary Clinton tax my laners when I gank (take upwards of 2-3 waves while I push to tower), I do what I can to take the kills because odds are I will carry over some random and I trust that to be reality. However I don't act shocked when people refer to my playstyle as "selfish" or call me an asshole for playing that way, because I am self aware enough to realize this.

The issue is people play terribly, get harassed for losing people ELO and cry about how they're always bullied in games and people are mean. If anything, you not being that great and intentionally losing people ELO by playing something you're clearly not good with ruins the game for four people. Some guy verbally abusing you ruins the game for just you and anyone who gets annoyed. Think on who does more damage here.

The victim tries to get the other team to report the two. The two act innocent and start making things up about what the victim was saying. The end result: Either the victim gets reported or nothing is done and the two get off free with more games and players to bully.

This seldom happens. If anything it's the exact opposite where the person who is the victim lies about what is being said in order to further their victimhood status since in today's society it seems to be a valued commodity. Then when it comes down to the "victim" trolling the game because their feelings are hurt the enemy team is the very first group of people to justify their actions. I've had people go 0-12 midlane, obviously trolling and when someone said to report them in all chat the enemy team replied with "It's not their fault." Except it fucking is, they made that conscious decision.

Teammates should analyze the situation and see if players are using inappropriate language or if someone truly is at fault.

They do. Interestingly enough even after they make up their mind people cry on forums about how victims are always harassed in League and nobody stands up for them. I refuse to believe someone is just so hated by reality that randoms they don't even know over 10 straight games seem to hate them, they obviously are doing something to incite this.

Or if the victim is wrong, maybe you can help them to see why instead of badgering them with guilt, blame, and shame.

Right, because "victims" do so well with understanding they're in the wrong right? Are you aware most arguments in League start with someone giving criticism to another person? Some start off with just some dickhead being a dickhead and raging, but most are "Play safe, quit dying." and them raging or emoing out and escalating the issue. If people truly accepted they were bad at League, we'd have a lot less terrible players in gold/platinum who do stupid things.

Sarutobi10/28/2016, 5:12:46 PM3 votes

What i dont understand with all this is the fact that you need to "Stand up" to someone. I could understand if it was a real life interaction with someone. You can see their intention and you can see when something bad is about to happen. With this game the only logical thing i can see as Standing up to people like this is to just mute them. The main reason why people do things like this (for this game as an example) is to try and get a reaction out of people. If you cut all contact with that you basically solve the problem. Now granted they can bully people in other forms like Trolling, but again if you dont give them the attention they are so longing for, they will either give up, or they will continue to do stuff which is clearly against the rules thus giving you even more evidence for you to report this person.

So i ask why give them that satisfaction? Why give them that power over you when you have so much power to work against them? People just need to mute and if its that bad of a problem report them and leave detailed information so the system can learn when people try to be creative about it.

nerak2310/28/2016, 3:40:58 PM2 votes

I Always try to help someone who is being attacked by our own team! Every time...Most days a simple "this is not kool" or some comment to this affect works, less often I have to say 'something' a few times, Even less seldom, Nothing I say or try to do to help works.

In all cases, I Am polite ask nicely. If it doesn't work though, I don't resort to being Toxic. I just ignore them, and if I feel warranted I report after game. I never ask for help doing so, I am civil about it, I try to help my team win...Most times, if I speak up 1st time someone says something nasty they stop...

But, here is the line...You can't be nasty back as much as some of us want to. I almost never defend myself ( a few exceptions).

Your best bet is if you are getting upset by what others say Just Mute them..And, no need to tell anyone that you are doing so.

IsoVhell10/28/2016, 4:20:25 PM2 votes

Dam right I will most of these little trolls need a good back hand. Would never talk shit in real life so they are nothing but cowards at the end of the day anyway! Like a post I made about hacking the other day, the troll and hackers that came out to try and hurt my feeling was hilarious. Little do they know it affected me in no way and was a good laugh. Trolls are butt hurt little people with little brains who copy and past of the internet to make them selves seem intelligent. Ignore, mute is a great option.

Verxint10/28/2016, 4:46:17 PM2 votes

Because when two retards are arguing in my games, I couldn't care less who is right or wrong.

I want everyone to shut up and play the game.

If you don't do that, you get reported. "HE STARTED ITTTTTT!" is what preschoolers yell when they get in trouble.

No flash no life10/28/2016, 7:53:50 AM2 votes

simple answer to your question is...unfortunately, your team members do not think of you as their ally, but their enemy instead, as ironic as it may be.

Think about it, when your teammate dies to a gank, does he/she direct the anger to the enemy junglar? No, they always have to find an ally to blame and direct the hate to, instead of antagonizing the enemy team.

AeroWaffle10/28/2016, 12:16:10 PM2 votes

If someone is harassing another player for what I view to be just standard poor play, I generally attempt to calm down the aggressor with, "Calm down, people can have off days" or something similar.

Don't attempt to contradict an angry person, it usually just makes them angrier. And definitely don't insult them back, that never helps.

If they stubbornly continue their contribution to the flame war, I at least try to calm down the person getting harassed if they start getting upset themselves with stuff like, "Don't worry about them, let them rage" or "It's not worth it".

Desolas Arterius10/28/2016, 3:21:48 PM2 votes

"Standing up for victims" in this case is not flaming back the "bullies". You know what that does? Get you reported and possibly punished if you consistently do that.

There is no defense rule in League. If you flame, regardless of context, you will get reported and punished. This is why Riot and others recommend to not rally for reports or fight fire with fire. A single report is all it takes. That is how you stand up to "bullying". By documenting what happened and reporting the aggressors in this case, you can help get those "bullies" punished if they continue to show this behavior.

I cannot just fly in and protect who looks to be the victim. There's a chance the "victim" could actually be the aggressor, and the two flaming him are his victims that are fighting fire with fire. I don't know this, and frankly I don't entirely care who started it. All that matters is the person who feels attacked needs to report. That is how flaming stops. Mute and report. If others want to help they can report as well, but no one should ever fight back by flaming or over negative types of behavior.

If you do feel the need to say something to hopefully diffuse the situation, then be sure it is completely neutral and non-attacking. Phrases like "Let's all calm down please" or "Can we just focus on the game?" are better used instead of phrases like "You need to shut the fuck up" or "Piss off", etc.

Do you understand what I mean? Flaming back doesn't solve this issue. Reporting and moving on does. People should never be encouraged to legitimately fight the players bullying someone. Especially if their means of "fighting" involve flaming and negative behavior. There's a chance those bullies may want others to do that so they can report them. Either way, this type of behavior can stop if people would just simply report. Players will never get punished for their negative attitudes if they don't get reported. So ignoring the mute and report feature just to feel good about "fighting the bullies" doesn't solve anything nor help anyone.

Sorin Alucard10/28/2016, 8:09:15 PM1 votes

MUTE BUTTON

MUTE BUTTON

MUTE BUTTON

KVbqbFsC8e10/28/2016, 8:00:03 AM1 votes

Anyone who is claiming to be a "victim" should probably not be using the Internet.

Resonance x LFT10/28/2016, 8:02:06 AM1 votes

Because I don't know you and you don't know me. To me, you're just a body I can use and stand behind to kill the enemy team. I'm not your friend. We're simply together in a 20-60 minute game, and we will never speak afterwards.

Troll Armada10/28/2016, 8:02:32 AM1 votes

It's not their fault, it's eight years of Obama outcome-based education and SJW.... many of these kids lack the moral basis to have what you and I might refer to as a moral fiber or core belief system.

Surr20plz10/28/2016, 8:20:14 AM1 votes

Because if someone was to stick up for them they would get punished by the system for responding to the aggressor(s).

Kei14310/28/2016, 11:44:41 AM1 votes

if its a flame war, both parties are typically at fault.

Sometimes the bullied is the instigator, blaming the team for his mistakes.

ShinkoMinori10/28/2016, 7:50:20 AM1 votes

I would say it depends if the "victim" deserves it or had it coming. If I really want to win I would just say "focus on winning". In the end doesn't matter what happens in between the start and the end, the point of the game is to win, not to talk. If they are talking instead of winning then that's an issue.

VdLOltsXlB10/28/2016, 8:38:46 AM

Here is an idea: Don't be a Victim. First off, I personally think they need to change the pvp allowance level from 3 to 10. Why? Because if you take the time it takes to play the games required to get to lvl 10, in bots, you should have a much better basic understanding of the game then you will @ lvl 3. Also, you will have access to most/all summoner spells. It will feel much, much better of an accomplishment...and would cut down on trolls...at least the ones not that dedicated. It is also going to be REALLY rare to hear "hey, i'm new and don't know what i'm doing"...if you are lvl 10, and don't know what you are doing, you need to just go, and stay, in bot games. It sounds mean, but its true. Common sense of the game should be there by then. One can hope. Second: I absolutely hate the "pvp is best to learn champs". No. You need to learn your champ mechanics in a bot game, because it's safer, you can test out builds, learn what each skill does, etc. You are also not dragging your team down with "Oh, I never played this champ before". Intermediate isn't that hard, but its enough you can learn mechanics for most champs. You can even beginner jg, learn the buffs, when to smite, etc. Third: Learn the lanes. Know that two adcs in bottom only works in the rarest of instances. Learn mid. Learn Top. Learn Jg. Watch videos, read builds, etc. If you are a former MMO player, like most of us are, or familiar with RPGS in general, then you know certian builds are better then buying what you think looks cool. Forth: take the time to learn this skill - MAP AWARENESS. There is a minimap for a reason. You can locate all your team, and some of their team, and maybe what camps are still up. The mini-map has AMAZING information on it. Learn to read it, how to respond to things that happen with it, wards, etc. Map awareness is one of the TOP skills that most players don't have anymore, and thats where most good ganks come from.