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Riots suspension system jumps to the extreme too fast

ReaperNeph·12/13/2018, 8:32:28 AM·6 votes·2,962 views

Riot tends to only provide 3-4 warnings before permabanning a player and these warnings progress regardless of the things you said in chat rather its if you were a negative player or not. This seems very harsh and lazy in my opinion because this leaves no room for discussion or repeal and forces players out of all the money and time they spend on the account over a few bad days of playing within a month. This seems to be happening a lot especially recently and it really hurts to see how little remorse is given after a 1 week or 2 week ban. We need to work to expand the player punishment system to increase the amount of actions (that have meaningful effects) rioters can take without completely snuffing the player out with a perma. This just breeds more hate and makes people want to make troll accounts

I would hope that the chat could at least be analyzed for any extreme forms of toxicity before considering how far to go with punishment (racism,sexicm homophobia, inciting others to hurt themselves,etc Anything Most would deem extremely hurtful) Players being banned for trash talking each other genuinely shouldn't happen in a ranked competitive environment because that's part of human nature to bicker and fight especially under the cover of anonymity. Anything that doesnt goes farther than "you suck! Stop playing the game! Why would you buy that item!Get Carried! better Jg wins...i think we get it" should not be a ban worth offence. someone does it in literally every competitive game nearly every round I play if its anonymous. and should be taken lightly if its only shit talking. minor offences don't deserve extreme consequences even if you were warned. although after consistent warnings its understandable but still should be judged accordingly to the things said and actions.

You guys say yourselves that you don't care who started it but what happens when you get target reported by 4 other people after they antagonized you to say things you shouldn't have? I guess that's and exception right? because i'm sure those cases are researched and if they aren't that's a serious shame. most every case should at least be skimmed to see who started it all and how bad the other people got aswell and everything because 1. this is who has brought the negativity into the game. 2. if the hateful words were instigated. these thing really do matter and i understand its up for interpretation but isnt that why the support team is human? not just robots to copy paste policies.

I would suggest a 1 month ban/30 day ban to increase the time to cool off and almost forget about league and/or a permanent chat restriction for players that aren't worthy of a perma but really need to be silenced. or maybe even ranked restrictions the goes along with honor that take away the ability to play ranked after a punishment making them all a little more serious. This would keep alot of people still around and loving the game they played for so long , keep the cycle of players growing and increasing in ways it can, prevent self harm from erratic individuals/ depression from losing so many friends of ur list and what not and make league an overall better place. I really hope people will read and suggest better ways I could have explained this lol

thank you all for ur time ReaperNeph

44 Comments

Umbral Regent12/13/2018, 9:26:48 AM11 votes

This seems very harsh and lazy in my opinion because this leaves no room for discussion or repeal and forces players out of all the money and time they spend on the account over a few bad days of playing within a month.

"A few bad days" - it takes quite a lot more than just a handful of bad days to go through the entire ladder within a month's time. 'Cause they'd have to break the rules enough times to get a 10-game chat restriction, which can be anywhere from 1-6~ matches of misbehavior. Then, fast-forward 10~ games (which, let's just say it takes 3 days to clear it).

Then it takes a few more infractions (1-4~ matches) to get to the 25-game chat restriction, which, let's say that takes 6~ days to clear. (Assuming roughly 3-5 matches per day), and then they go on to get another punishment - 1-4~ infractions later, they're banned for 14 days. After that, any continued misbehavior will result in a permanent ban.

So that's 12~ days worth of misbehavior for the player to get to the 14-day ban alone, and this is assuming that they're frequently negative enough to go up the ladder in a month.

The punishments can be discussed, but it requires the player to actually be willing to discuss them and learn from them for anything good to come of it - which, in my experience, is a rare quality.

If they don't want to lose the time and money they invested in the account, then they could just as easily follow the rules and not act out. If they choose to do otherwise, the repercussions are on them.

I would hope that the chat could at least be analyzed for any extreme forms of toxicity before considering how far to go with punishment (racism,sexicm homophobia, inciting others to hurt themselves,etc Anything Most would deem extremely hurtful)

This is already the case. Reports for hate speech are given a more specific review, and can result in an immediate 14-day suspension if the system verifies the report.

Players being banned for trash talking each other genuinely shouldn't happen in a ranked competitive environment because that's part of human nature to bicker and fight especially under the cover of anonymity.

I disagree. If it's a ranked competitive environment, a certain level of sportsmanlike behavior should be expected of everyone participating. "Human nature" - which is a weak argument, by the way - can easily be worked against.

Anything that doesnt goes farther than "you suck! Stop playing the game! Why would you buy that item!Get Carried! better Jg wins...i think we get it" should not be a ban worth offence.

Again, I disagree.

Telling someone they suck does nothing, is wholly unproductive, and doesn't belong in a competitive environment.

Telling someone to stop playing is equally unproductive, and in fact, probably counterproductive. It's also a dick move, and frankly, if you tell people to "stop playing", I can only hope you get to learn first-hand that you should be careful what you wish for.

Asking someone why they would buy a specific item is permitted, so long as you're not being an asshole about it - you can ask why they buy it, but don't act like they're an idiot for doing so. They may know something you don't.

Telling people "get carried" is unsportsmanlike, and generally a dick move. Definitely doesn't belong in a competitive environment.

"Better jungler wins", likewise, is just a weak excuse for poor play and the inability to work towards a win on the part of whoever says it. Like much everything else here, it doesn't belong in a competitive environment.

You guys say yourselves that you don't care who started it but what happens when you get target reported by 4 other people after they antagonized you to say things you shouldn't have?

If I somehow get coaxed into flaming (which is hilariously unlikely), I'd own up to it. I'd have dug my grave, and I'm fully willing to lie in it.

I guess that's and exception right?

No exceptions, the rules are the rules.

because i'm sure those cases are researched and if they aren't that's a serious shame. most every case should at least be skimmed to see who started it all and how bad the other people got aswell and everything because 1. this is who has brought the negativity into the game. 2. if the hateful words were instigated.

If one player gets reported, only that player's behavior gets looked into. So, if player A starts a flamewar, player B gets caught up in it, and only player A reports player B, only player B's behavior will be reviewed and consequently punished.

The IFS will only review the behavior of players who are reported - it's not going to look at absolutely everyone - only those who people have elected to report. Want the instigator punished? Report them. Don't expect the system to just punish everyone involved if only one player gets reported.

I would suggest a 1 month ban/30 day ban to increase the time to cool off and almost forget about league...

If 26~ days of punishments, restricted chat, and forced downtime aren't enough to get someone to cool off, another month won't be any more likely to succeed in that front.

...and/or a permanent chat restriction for players that aren't worthy of a perma but really need to be silenced.

Define "aren't worthy of a perma(ban)".

Because if you're talking about people who repeatedly commit low-severity offenses, then, hate to break it to you, they are worthy of a permaban. They need to learn how to behave, and if they can't learn after three separate punishments, the odds of them learning after a fourth are low.

Beyond that, permanent chat restrictions don't work. They only narrow down the ways players can be toxic to gameplay-related offenses - and frankly, I'd rather Riot cut out the middle-man and ban repeat offenders outright than give them the opportunity to troll or intentionally feed.

...or maybe even ranked restrictions the goes along with honor that take away the ability to play ranked after a punishment making them all a little more serious.

And what about toxic players who don't play Ranked? They're not going to take the punishment seriously if it doesn't majorly affect them.

Imperial Pandaa12/13/2018, 8:49:25 AM9 votes

It does analyze. Racism and Other such things are typical considered 0 tolerance and escalated to a 14 day ban instead of Chat Restrictions.

Competitive BM is typically fine. There is a line though. "Moo?" After an Alistar play "Caw caw motherfuckers" after fiddle ult. "Rip enemy flash" after a failed flash Are typically fine. The next set, not so much: "You suck at this game." "Uninstall." "Tryhard loser playinf braindead champ" Are pass BM though and may result in punishment. Additionally, why would you be trash talking your own team? As for banning for these, most of time, those people have gotten CR already and are a repeat offender. Repeated offenses get harsher punishments. Even professional sports have limitations for trash talk.

When you get target by the other 4 to try and say something, you should just mute them. Boom, problem solved. Think their chat needs to be reviewed? Report them. 1 report flags the game for review, just like 4. It isn't a who was worse system, it is a who did wrong system.

Depending on the punishment history, they have already been told 3 different times to cool off. At some point you just need to let them know there can be permanent consequences too.

CharDeeMcDenniz12/13/2018, 12:22:03 PM4 votes

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Riot tends to only provide 3-4 warnings before permabanning a player

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only provide 3-4 warnings

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ReaperNeph12/13/2018, 8:39:12 AM3 votes

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PH4512/13/2018, 9:59:27 AM2 votes

Riot tends to only provide 3-4 warnings before permabanning a player

That's plenty of warning for bad behavior. 14-days ban is considered the last warning and after that even minor toxicity will result in a permaban.

Ettow12/14/2018, 8:48:29 PM1 votes

I mean like Riot removed dominion so the game is shit :V

Firu12/13/2018, 12:00:12 PM1 votes

3-4 warnings is a lot. Especially when they are clear with what the next punishment will be.

MrFawknSunshine12/13/2018, 11:56:04 PM1 votes

they do provide 3-4 warnigns

TOS/SUMMONERS CODE you agree to

10 game chat restriction

25 game chat restriction

14 day ban

perma banned

what more warnings do you need?

Ettow12/14/2018, 8:44:10 PM1 votes

ya'll weak AF Tryndamere