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Exact problem with the league community

KessRiven·11/4/2019, 5:54:15 AM·12 votes·11,731 views

Now, i have never done this before but this is honestly the exact reason why so many people quit league. I know full well that riot doesn't care about its players but this has been an ongoing, consistent problem since the game came out. Riot eventually will have to address these issues because the current systems in place do nothing but randomly decide who should get a slap on the wrist punishment for intentionally ruining 4 other people's games.

On to the actual post. I'm low-mid elo, was in promo's to plat 2. I'm a support main, have been trying to broaden my support pool outside of just thresh and Lux. Was playing as Karma, and everyone who has ever played karma knows it's extremely easy to poke the enemy bot lane by hitting the ranged minions with your Q as it's basically impossible to miss. The vayne that I was unfortunately stuck playing with didn't like that I was shoving the wave by poking. We were against an Ezreal/Nami. Shoving the wave is exactly what you want to do instead of giving them lane control and letting ezreal get constant free cs and klepto procs. Said vayne continues to rage at me for q'ing the wave, recalls with full hp/mana and only enough gold for a dagger. Then proceeds to walk continuously to lane tower, recall, and repeat. This continued for 4 minutes until I bought mobis and decided helping my team was the safest option. We were winning a 4v5 situation but Vayne actually wasn't even csing, she would auto the wave like 3 times and then recall back. They decided to finally rage quit at around the 25 minute mark.

A report was issued by some of the players (the enemy team was very happy that vayne was griefing the entire team). How has riot not fixed this issue? How has the toxicity not been addressed in any way shape or form? They "implement systems to catch toxic gameplay" but I have never in my life heard of someone actually getting in trouble for this. As long as you don't say forbidden words, you can do whatever you want and riot essentially condones it. Sorry for the rant, just sharing my 2 cents.

52 Comments

BONUS DMG 2NOOBS11/4/2019, 7:00:09 AM10 votes

Many of us have been harping on this issue for years that soft-int/trolling is more damaging than verbal abuse, but the SJW hivemind mods continue to suppress this opinion. Need evidence? After you read my post, screenshot the thread, and check back in 24 hours. My post will be removed.

AeroWaffle11/4/2019, 8:30:06 AM9 votes

They "implement systems to catch toxic gameplay" but I have never in my life heard of someone actually getting in trouble for this. As long as you don't say forbidden words, you can do whatever you want and riot essentially condones it. Sorry for the rant, just sharing my 2 cents.

In the past few days there have been several posts lately of people getting banned for intentional feeding. So it does happen (if you wish I can find those threads to link).

The main issue is detecting malicious intent from gameplayer related behavior is much more difficult than for chat behavior. In both cases the sheer size of the playerbase basically requires an automated system to handle the heavy lifting.

Chat is 100% in the players control all the time. You can't *accidentally* flame someone.

Gameplay is a whole other ballgame. Playing poorly unintentionally is not bannable or punishable beyond losing more games. So Riot has to be reasonably sure that the person is making mistakes maliciously. This makes automatic systems suck at detecting it. Manual reviews are better (albeit unlikely because of the playerbase size) but Riot is still likely to ere on the side of caution because falsely banning someone for intentionally feeding is a good way to lose a customer fast (and likely more if they tell their friends).

But gameplay related bans do not get a "slap on the wrist". They get a 14-day ban followed by a perma if they do it again.

Ph03n1xb1rd11/4/2019, 2:21:31 PM7 votes

Well, Rito's way to handle this:

  • She just had a bad game.
  • Ban everyone who might have flamed her.
Yin Yang Taoist11/4/2019, 9:14:16 AM6 votes

OP, I agree with you. Karma does work like that. I had a similar issue where an ADC kept getting angry and spam pinged me whenever I tried to harass the enemy bot lane. In this case, I'd suggest that you simply stop. If they just want to farm and try to scale instead then in order to avoid confrontation. I'd usually let things pass and have it go the way that the ADC wants it to go. Given, they are wrong about how to play the match-up. But its always better to not argue or try to correct them because most of the time, it'd lead into a meaningless discussion.

Having said that, I think that the Vayne's attitude was very disappointing. Really wrong to deal with it the way that they did. I feel for you and wouldn't be surprised if you were tilted for your next game. Its unfortunate when you get teammates like that.

And no, they do get punished for it. Its just difficult for Riot to see if someone is being intentional. What I did was, I took screenshots. I recorded the times of when they did run it down, along with what they said. Posted these on my ticket so that it'd be easier for them to confirm and see their actions in game.

You can't always avoid players like that on your team. What you can do though is to try to adjust to them and try to work with them, as difficult as it sounds. If they are happier with me hugging the turret then by all means, I'd just do that after I put them on mute to avoid any random tilting.

Pika Fox11/4/2019, 2:51:01 PM3 votes

People get banned for gameplay offenses all the time, its just rarer because

  1. players banned for gameplay reasons rarely make a post saying such

  2. its not easy to make something that will ban players for gameplay reasons without banning innocent players for edge cases. I know players that routinely go 3/10 or worse because theyre new to videogames as a whole. They arent inting. You need to account for so many different variables to get an accurate ban.

Where as chat bans are easy. Did you type x? Well, heres your chat offense. RARELY will there be an edge case scenario for this, and usually it would be in EU, not NA.

Scarefish11/5/2019, 8:22:52 AM3 votes

The best solution is to become a masochist and learn to love this kind of behaviour.

ModPeriscope11/4/2019, 4:28:03 PM3 votes

That’s pretty unfortunate you underwent that. Even if you think that’s the optimal strategy to poke (I do not), that doesn’t give others free reign to rage or afk.

It does sound like they were behaving in an odd, but intentionally losing way, so I would submit a support ticket, specifically because their behavior unique and appeared to avoid intentional feeding detection.

While it is pretty frustrating getting a player like that in your game, there presence does not mean that this behavior goes unpunished. Intentionally losing a game is typically met with a two week suspension when it’s caught.

Jennifer1711/5/2019, 6:44:59 AM2 votes

honestly once again its riots fault that it feels like nothing happens. THEY DONT GIVE YOU ANY SORT OF FEEDBACK!

that IFS feedback message is more rare than a non asian team winning worlds AND riot themselfes also give no feedback at all.

i remember when the "pick your 2 roles" system was on the pbe and a rioter said "now we have a good way to punish people that steal others lanes" NOT ONCE did i hear of someone getting punished for this and NOT ONCE was it ever mentioned again by riot. is it still a thing? was it ever a thing? who knows??? riot doesnt tell us.

and on a sidenote... while yes riot cant spy on every 24/7 but there are more than enough youtube channels out there with several 100k subs that just upload vids of trolling or acc sharing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mifu6BZkTrg just an example of this guy sharing one of his diamond smurfs with a bronze player just to make a video.

rujitra11/4/2019, 6:15:29 AM2 votes

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Clockwork Mouse11/4/2019, 8:55:09 PM2 votes

Honestly they should stop policing their game all together. There was nothing wrong with online games like TF2 and Halo back in the day. All you need is a mute button, that is all that was ever needed. And as for toxic gameplay, well you will keep climbing and they will fall lower, so it will eventually sort itself out.

Skeleton Matrix12/15/2019, 10:43:03 PM1 votes

just had 2 ranked games with 2 afkers in a row. but board said it was rare that it happens [vlad-salute]

Face on keyboard11/5/2019, 6:37:15 AM1 votes

That Vayne and many other people like her are exactly why I don't feel like playing this game sometimes. I like the game play, but it's really upsetting to have a game automatically lost or ruined by essentially a leaver that isn't getting punished by leaver buster.

People who afk in fountain or on certain parts of the map.

People who do the above specifically after a FF15 or FF20 vote failed drive me crazy the most because I've yet to see any one of my reports on people who do in this specific fashion punished. There's no point in a system for FFing requirng 4/5 or 5/5 if 2 or 3 people decide the game is over and decide to fountain afk/afk in the jungle instead of defending a 5 man mid push. I wouldn't be wasting my report score on these people if the system required a 3/5 or 2/5 to surrender. I'm not advocating that be the standard, but Riot Games should uphold their own freaking system or modify their system to cater to these people if that's what they actually support.

cQXBmLtbbo11/5/2019, 2:42:56 PM1 votes

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Buckeye200211/6/2019, 8:54:47 PM1 votes

Sorry about that man. IT sucks. The problem with this game is you are not allowed to criticize anyone and so people find other ways of communicating. And people in this culture can not take any criticism, it's ridiculous. If an ADC is whinging about warwick and I ask him why don't you have a executioners, somehow I'm the badguy…..people are way to coddled...….words don't hurt me, but feeding loses me LP.

Doofy The Yam11/7/2019, 6:49:12 PM1 votes

Well now that the feedback report system has created a vacuum where a lot of innocent players who are the target of toxicity get banned for saying anything back. Riot creates a culture where youre supposed to just take it and mute and move on. Now that soft inting exists, people can ACTUALLY troll instead of just saying something that was mean

Skt T1 Deadproof11/10/2019, 1:44:24 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/IOoxkGks-kind-of-premadepeople-that-gets-you-banned